2016 Giro d'Italia - Stage 7 Sulmona – Foligno 211 km

[Red Rick]

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Kittel should go to track, he has the worst recovery and worst climbing skills of all time

he climb better than the half of the pro riders. He won a stage in Romandie with 3 climbs no so soft...

Now I really want to know what you're smoking.

 

[yaco]

At least, Ewan got into a winning position in the last 200 metres which is an improvement on the previous stages - And at least he has been in the finish of each of the four sprinting stages - A big development from the Vuelta when he couldn't keep up with the peleton.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Kittel should go to track, he has the worst recovery and worst climbing skills of all time

Why should he do that? He's the best and currently most succesful sprinter in the peloton by a large margin. Oh and it wasn't his lack of climbing skills that lost him the victory today. The by far most likely outcome had he not had a puncture was him winning the sprint.

In your world perhaps. I still think Greipel would have won this. Kittel ought to have lost the last extra percentages after he had to struggle to minimize his losses on every climb today. Add to that, Greipel is only getting better in the sprints, and it is not "by far the most likely outcome" that Kittel would have won.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Greipel in pure Beast Mode once again.....great lead out for him.......Adam Hansen a complete Boss in the lead in to the final KM's
Nice win for the big man!

Great to see Fabian up at the pointy end of the race.....hope to see more of him in the coming days!

 

[jmdirt]

I would like to the the big Germans go head to head from the 250 mark.

I know that Ewan's position is more 'aero' but it seems to restrict him. I wonder if he would be faster if he came up just a bit.

 

[classicomano]

Ewans style looks great when hes winning. But today it looked really comical.

 

[Brullnux]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

In professional road cycling? Track world championships doesn't count

 

[Mr.White]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

Name it!

 

[Bushman]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

In professional road cycling? Track world championships doesn't count

Gaviria has beaten sprintere like Sagan, Cavendish, Viviani, Modolo multiple times, he beat Greipel in a man on man sprint, he took his first WT victory just a couple of months after turning pro in Tirreno (where he beat Ewan). He has already showed top speed to place him amongst the 5 fastest sprinters in the world, Ewan never showed that kind of top speed.

He also showed endurance beyond his age when he was in a potential winning position in MSR with 800 metres to go. He showed great climbing for a sprinter several times and he showed he can handle the cobbles decently already even though they are very new to him.

He is in another league.

 

[jens_attacks]

lol at caleb with his hilarious aero position

peeps, he's something like 50 kilos or so. there is no way in hell he will beat in a flat, fair sprint a monster sprinter. not now, not ever. not enough watts.

 

[Brullnux]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

Name it!

Tirreno stage >>>> TDU stages.
San Luis against Cavendish (in his first pro race); San Luis against Viviani. Tour of Britain against Greipel. Sure, Ewan has a Vuelta stage but it was against Degenkolb and Sagan, who although quick, aren't exactly the bets sprinters in the world. It was also on the most perfect stage finish for him he could've hoped for. Gaviria has shown more in classics: he could've won MSR had it not been for that crash and came 6th in Gent-Wevelgem.

 

[jahn]

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lol at caleb with his hilarious aero position

peeps, he's something like 50 kilos or so. there is no way in hell he will beat in a flat, fair sprint a monster sprinter. not now, not ever. not enough watts.

He also doesn't seem to have the temperament required. Anyone else notice his huge swerve for no good reason right before the finish line? Could've caused some serious carnage.

 

[orangerider]

Ewan needs several hundred added watts to be competitive at this level. Cavendish version 1.0 he is not, and never will be.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, I hadn't realized he's like Rujano size. 1.65 meters. Not gonna win too many high competition drag race type sprints

 

[PeterB]

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Yeah, I hadn't realized he's like Rujano size. 1.65 meters. Not gonna win too many high competition drag race type sprints

He is like Coquard who is even 3kg lighter than Ewan. So it's not absolutely necessary to be big.

 

[Brullnux]

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Yeah, I hadn't realized he's like Rujano size. 1.65 meters. Not gonna win too many high competition drag race type sprints

He is like Coquard who is even 3kg lighter than Ewan. So it's not absolutely necessary to be big.

Coquard climbs better though, but maybe isn't as quick. They have good punch, but don't generate enough speed to beat Kittel or Greipel in a flat out sprint.

 

[TMP402]

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lol at caleb with his hilarious aero position

peeps, he's something like 50 kilos or so. there is no way in hell he will beat in a flat, fair sprint a monster sprinter. not now, not ever. not enough watts.

He also doesn't seem to have the temperament required. Anyone else notice his huge swerve for no good reason right before the finish line? Could've caused some serious carnage.

He seemed to give up and pedal like a team pursuiter.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Today, Ewan did a Gaviria at Dwars door Vlaanderen.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Kittel should go to track, he has the worst recovery and worst climbing skills of all time

Why should he do that? He's the best and currently most succesful sprinter in the peloton by a large margin. Oh and it wasn't his lack of climbing skills that lost him the victory today. The by far most likely outcome had he not had a puncture was him winning the sprint.

In your world perhaps. I still think Greipel would have won this. Kittel ought to have lost the last extra percentages after he had to struggle to minimize his losses on every climb today. Add to that, Greipel is only getting better in the sprints, and it is not "by far the most likely outcome" that Kittel would have won.

Kittel winning a sprint is as close to a certainty as we get in cycling. Really, he's that superior. He's won 9 out of 10 sprints he's contested this year. That's outrageous.

That said, I do agree that Greipel would be closer to Kittel on a stage like today.

Anyway, it's all speculation and probably pointless to discuss any further.

 

[Mr.White]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

So he won Tirreno stage, plus 3 San Luis stages, plus Tour of Britain stage. While Ewan won Vuelta stage, plus 2 TDU stages and some stages at minor races. I have to say I agree that Gaviria looks to have bigger potential (by some margin), but their results till now doesn't suggest that as some poster above said: "Ewan should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Gaviria". That's all

 

[DNP-Old]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Today, Ewan did a Gaviria at Dwars door Vlaanderen.

He rode his first ever race on cobblestones? Good for him.

 

[Glocknerkoenig]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Today, Ewan did a Gaviria at Dwars door Vlaanderen.

He rode his first ever race on cobblestones? Good for him.

Honestly, how old are you?

What an embarrassment to the internets.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Please don't ever mention Ewan and Gaviria in the same sentence again.

Why? Did Gaviria won something more significant than Ewan?

Yes.

In professional road cycling? Track world championships doesn't count

Gaviria has beaten sprintere like Sagan, Cavendish, Viviani, Modolo multiple times, he beat Greipel in a man on man sprint, he took his first WT victory just a couple of months after turning pro in Tirreno (where he beat Ewan). He has already showed top speed to place him amongst the 5 fastest sprinters in the world, Ewan never showed that kind of top speed.

He also showed endurance beyond his age when he was in a potential winning position in MSR with 800 metres to go. He showed great climbing for a sprinter several times and he showed he can handle the cobbles decently already even though they are very new to him.

He is in another league.

Even if Gaviria has greater potential, it's still not an answer to the question, is it? So far Ewans results are still better and he has won a more significant victory with his Vuelta victory.

As for the potential MSR-outcome, had Gaviria not crashed . . I'm really wondering why Ewan get's such a hard bashing today, when it's Gaviria, who could not control his bike and ruined the race the race for other top favourites

 

[The Hegelian]

Ewan's tracking pretty well I reckon. Very high quality sprint field. He's in the mix, and beating some real established talent. That he doesn't have the raw horsepower of Kittel or Greipal: seriously, is that really a surprise??

I'm not sure I really see Gaviria blowing away in form GT Kittel's and Greipal's either. If he was here, you'd expect him to be in the mix, but not quite at the top. On a flat straight finale, I reckon he'd be a bit quicker than Ewan, but on a slight uphill, maybe the opposite.

Anyway, remember how often Greipal was getting smashed by Cav and then Kittel at the tdf.....until.....

Give the lads a chance to develop!