2016 TdF, Stage 17: Bern → Finhaut-Emosson (185km)

[RattaKuningas]

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I'd like to see Astana, Movistar and BMC team up today and destroy Sky train. But we know this isn't going to happen but it would be fun to see it.

How are they gonna destroy the Sky train? The Sky train would probably just welcome a break from doing all the pulling.

Well it's definitely not easy to figure something out but if they could drop Stannard and Rowe on cat 3 by setting high enough tempo, try to attack and get someone up the road with helpers and make Sky climbers chase on the flat. Possibility of something like this happening is probably extremely small but seems to be the best way to attack Sky in my opinion.

 

[One Eyed Aussie]

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Is there live pictures yet?

A bit over an hour before pictures.

 

[RattaKuningas]

Still no breakaway. Seems like today is going to be for GC riders.

 

[Martin]

This sucks. The most interesting part of the race except last 10 kms is going on always right after the start.
I wonder why we can't have live pictures, no TV broadcast, no on-line coverage.

 

[del1962]

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I'd like to see Astana, Movistar and BMC team up today and destroy Sky train. But we know this isn't going to happen but it would be fun to see it.

How are they gonna destroy the Sky train? The Sky train would probably just welcome a break from doing all the pulling.

Well it's definitely not easy to figure something out but if they could drop Stannard and Rowe on cat 3 by setting high enough tempo, try to attack and get someone up the road with helpers and make Sky climbers chase on the flat. Possibility of something like this happening is probably extremely small but seems to be the best way to attack Sky in my opinion.

So who is going to be sent up the road that is a threat on GC

 

[RattaKuningas]

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I'd like to see Astana, Movistar and BMC team up today and destroy Sky train. But we know this isn't going to happen but it would be fun to see it.

How are they gonna destroy the Sky train? The Sky train would probably just welcome a break from doing all the pulling.

Well it's definitely not easy to figure something out but if they could drop Stannard and Rowe on cat 3 by setting high enough tempo, try to attack and get someone up the road with helpers and make Sky climbers chase on the flat. Possibility of something like this happening is probably extremely small but seems to be the best way to attack Sky in my opinion.

So who is going to be sent up the road that is a threat on GC

Movistar can use Valverde and BMC TJVG I guess.

 

[ontheroad]

Average speed for the first hour is a mental 51.8km/hr!

 

[Stilletto]

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Movistar can use Valverde and BMC TJVG I guess.[/quote]

Just wondering is the fear that Quintana, Porte will fail hence the reluctancy to use these both?
Maybe they are waiting as long as they can before playing this card.

And thats why nothing is happening except you are Bardet & Aru ???

 

[miha1234]

We can only hope for Astana, and we all know that Movistar will wheelsuck till the end.

This happens if there is no Contador and Nibali.

 

[RattaKuningas]

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Movistar can use Valverde and BMC TJVG I guess.

Just wondering is the fear that Quintana, Porte will fail hence the reluctancy to use these both?
Maybe they are waiting as long as they can before playing this card.

And thats why nothing is happening except you are Bardet & Aru ???[/quote]

I think they are waiting because they can use this tactic only once because it can result in time losses for riders sent into breakaway. If they lose time (more than 1-2 min) they can't use same tactic anymore.

 

[Pharazon]

51k for the 1st hour, no break.. i bet Cav's happy he went home

 

[doperhopper]

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I'd like to see Astana, Movistar and BMC team up today and destroy Sky train. But we know this isn't going to happen but it would be fun to see it.

How are they gonna destroy the Sky train? The Sky train would probably just welcome a break from doing all the pulling.

they could at least try (can be even 5 teams) - send 2 mountain doms per team into the break, wait 2 km into Forclaz where their leaders will join them after brutal sprint at the start of Forclaz... and Vroom has to decide, whether rely on the train (and risk not catching them) or go with Quintana/Porte/Aru/Mollema/Yates (whoever dares), and be subject of attacks all the way up

but in reality they will look at each other and try to protect (Bauke/Adam) or conquer (Nairo/Aru) the podium... they've already given up Yellow and if it was like the Green Jersey (only winner counts), they would be probably out like Cav

 

[HelloDolly]

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51k for the 1st hour, no break.. i bet Cav's happy he went home

This is a good signas SKY must be controlling and therefore

1.Other GC teams are trying
2. SKY may be getting tired (hoping so anyway)

 

[Stilletto]

apparently at the first little climb Gougeard, Barguil, ten Dam and Impey tried to get away

 

[Stilletto]

Followed by an attack from Kangerst, Clement, Durasek, Gallopin
after these 7 more riders are ahead of the peleton, the 7 include Majka and Sagan

the 7 are
Pozzovivo
Pantano
Morabito
Zakarin
Feillu
+Sagan and Majka

 

[Stilletto]

confirmed break
Tanel Kangert (Astana), Stef Clement and Jarlinson Pantano (IAM), Kristjian Durasek (Lampre-Merida), Tony Gallopin (Lotto-Soudal), Rafal Majka and Peter Sagan (Tinkoff), Domenico Pozzovivo (AG2R), Steve Morabito (FDJ), Ilnur Zakarin (Katusha) and Brice Feillu (Fortuneo-Vital Concept) have 11 seconds lead over lone chaser Rui Costa (Lampre-Merida).

 

[vedrafjord]

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51k for the 1st hour, no break.. i bet Cav's happy he went home

This is a good signas SKY must be controlling and therefore

1.Other GC teams are trying
2. SKY may be getting tired (hoping so anyway)

Nope, there have been loads of attempted breaks that have been pulled back by teams with no guy in the break. No sign Sky are doing any work yet.

 

[Microchip]

Is there a live feed from inside the peloton during the stages? The Go-Pro-type of feed, but live, not after-the-fact.

 

[vedrafjord]

Interesting break with some very good climbers. Could end up Pantano v Majka part deux.

 

[Winkin' boy]

I don't think this break will survive...

 

[damian13ster]

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Interesting break with some very good climbers. Could end up Pantano v Majka part deux.

There are better climbers than Pantano in the break. He only got back because of a downhill. Dont think he will contest in this stage

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Sagan again. What an absolute champion.

 

[Stilletto]

4 minutes now

 

[doperhopper]

usual suspects: Pantano, Majka, Zakarin etc.

ticker says

Tanel Kangert (Astana), Stef Clement and Jarlinson Pantano (IAM), Kristjian Durasek (Lampre-Merida), Tony Gallopin (Lotto-Soudal), Rafal Majka and Peter Sagan (Tinkoff), Domenico Pozzovivo (AG2R), Steve Morabito (FDJ), Ilnur Zakarin (Katusha) and Brice Feillu (Fortuneo-Vital Concept).

 

[UselessToo]

Zakarin or GC leaders