2016 Tour de Suisse, 11-19 June

[Kwibus]

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By far the best rider of the year. Sagan is gonna be a better version of boonen. Well he already is just some more classic wins but only matter of time

Sagan will never be as good as Boonen on the actual cobbled sectors. Sure, Sagan has great rouleur skills which are equally important, but even a Vanmarcke attack on a 5* sector would distance Sagan. Difference is Sagan should be able to catch up to Vanmarcke on the tarmac after the cobbled sector, as Vanmarcke lacks the incredible rouleur skills that the top guys have.

loooooooooooooooool, he couldn't be as good as boonen but he never will be worse than vanmarcke in cobbles.

For once try to comment as an adult and if your not an adult yet, try to do so.
If you only left the "loooooool" it would've been a lot better. And leave the emoticons out and you come across a lot less pedantic, childish, arrogant etc.

I don't agree btw. Vanmarcke is really good on the P-R cobbles, he just lacks the engine and pacing on the flat.

 

[MacBAir]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

You are forgetting RVV and other great wins. Winning GW while beating Fabian to the punch automatically makes that win more valuable than sticking your nails on your team car to get back and wining a sprint at San Remo against the competition that did manage to sprint.

If Fabian is 2nd on an isolated elite group, you know the race was fierce.

 

[portugal11]

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By far the best rider of the year. Sagan is gonna be a better version of boonen. Well he already is just some more classic wins but only matter of time

Sagan will never be as good as Boonen on the actual cobbled sectors. Sure, Sagan has great rouleur skills which are equally important, but even a Vanmarcke attack on a 5* sector would distance Sagan. Difference is Sagan should be able to catch up to Vanmarcke on the tarmac after the cobbled sector, as Vanmarcke lacks the incredible rouleur skills that the top guys have.

loooooooooooooooool, he couldn't be as good as boonen but he never will be worse than vanmarcke in cobbles.

For once try to comment as an adult and if your not an adult yet, try to do so.
If you only left the "loooooool" it would've been a lot better. And leave the emoticons out and you come across a lot less pedantic, childish, arrogant etc.

I don't agree btw. Vanmarcke is really good on the P-R cobbles, he just lacks the engine and pacing on the flat.

Sagan had bad luck in all roubaix that he started. Vanmarcke lacks engine... that is BS, always with excuses for bad performance/results. When he almost demolish everybody in omloop, some fans was saying "yeah, this man is new belgian talisman, he is real deal. Man, he only could win roubaix or flanders if he had a really good team (terpstra's way).

 

[Miburo]

Boonen was never a god in classic races where he rode away from anyone whenever he pleases. I'm a big Boonen fan but he barely did that.

Only RVV '05 and PR '12, of course he didn't have to cause he was the fastest but same can be said about Sagan.

Let's not forget that Hoste and Pozzato for example were sometimes stronger than Boonen when he won, of course loads of credit to Boonen for still winning it. Sagan hasn't shown having that tactic insight that boonen has although Hoste and Pozzato are morons.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Boonen was never a god in classic races where he rode away from anyone whenever he pleases. I'm a big Boonen fan but he barely did that.

Only RVV '05 and PR '12, of course he didn't have to cause he was the fastest but same can be said about Sagan.

Let's not forget that Hoste and Pozzato for example were sometimes stronger than Boonen when he won, of course loads of credit to Boonen for still winning it. Sagan hasn't shown having that tactic insight that boonen has although Hoste and Pozzato are morons.

He's getting better tactically though. As much as Canc was an idiot for letting Sagan go in RVV this year, it was the right move from Sagan. In fact he hardly ever misses the winning move in the classics. You have to give him massive credit for that. Also, he seems to be learning. Seemed to learn from his mistakes earlier in the classics campaign to reserve enough energy for the finish at both GW and RVV. And today for example, Sagan did very well to win. It seems the days where he gifted Ciolek monuments by being an idiot are gone.

I'd go as far as to say Sagan is even more talented than Valverde personally

 

[Tank Engine]

That was something special. His tactics may not always be the best, but there is no-one around that can match his power and bike handling skills.

Tomorrow's the stage to Champagne, right? He should win it even when the other teams manage to isolate him.

Fixed that for you

 

[SeriousSam]

Sagan really is the best bike handler and descender in the peloton. Combined with his aerobic and anaerobic talent, that's almost unfair.

If only he were likeable.

 

[Kwibus]

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Boonen was never a god in classic races where he rode away from anyone whenever he pleases. I'm a big Boonen fan but he barely did that.

Only RVV '05 and PR '12, of course he didn't have to cause he was the fastest but same can be said about Sagan.

Let's not forget that Hoste and Pozzato for example were sometimes stronger than Boonen when he won, of course loads of credit to Boonen for still winning it. Sagan hasn't shown having that tactic insight that boonen has although Hoste and Pozzato are morons.

He's getting better tactically though. As much as Canc was an idiot for letting Sagan go in RVV this year, it was the right move from Sagan. In fact he hardly ever misses the winning move in the classics. You have to give him massive credit for that. Also, he seems to be learning. Seemed to learn from his mistakes earlier in the classics campaign to reserve enough energy for the finish at both GW and RVV. And today for example, Sagan did very well to win. It seems the days where he gifted Ciolek monuments by being an idiot are gone.

I'd go as far as to say Sagan is even more talented than Valverde personally

It was the right move in Flanders because he was freaking strong. It was most of all a bad move by Cancellara imo.
I'm happy as hell that Sagan goes on the attack early though. Always a good show!

 

[jsem94]

Just watched the stage. What a rider.

 

[wirral]

Stage 4 appears to have a 90-degree turn just before the line but the maps from the TDS are not very clear. Surely that cannot be right. It would be too dangerous to place a finish there.

 

[The Hegelian]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I've actually seen that comes close. This year he is fulfilling his potential, and it's almost a bit ridiculous.

 

[Kokoso]

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In fact he hardly ever misses the winning move in the classics. You have to give him massive credit for that. It seems the days where he gifted Ciolek monuments by being an idiot are gone.

Massive credit for not missing winning move?

How he gifted that win to Ciolek? Ciolek was just stronger at finish and that's it.

 

[Homo Helveticus]

I'm afraid Sagan can pull a Cavendish. In other words, he'll be awesome in his younger years and his performance will fall off a cliff once he hits age 27. Don't they say that riders who burn young also burn out fast?

 

[SKSemtex]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I've actually seen that comes close. This year he is fulfilling his potential, and it's almost a bit ridiculous.

Can´t you think of anyone? Really? I can name few immediately. Kreuziger, Stybar, Vakoč

I have almost forgotten the best of them Leopold Konig

 

[tomorrow]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I've actually seen that comes close. This year he is fulfilling his potential, and it's almost a bit ridiculous.

Can´t you think of anyone? Really? I can name few immediately. Kreuziger, Stybar, Vakoč

I have almost forgotten the best of them Leopold Konig

can you explain, what did you mean. IMHO, despite being very good riders, they do not come anywhere close to Sagan and probably not only him, skill and talent wise. One has to just take into account, the domination Sagan has in his domain, and that's been mainly thanks to his talent and skills, although he's getting better at tactics too. And then there comes the versatility of Sagan, which is obviously thank to his talent too.

 

[SKSemtex]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I've actually seen that comes close. This year he is fulfilling his potential, and it's almost a bit ridiculous.

Can´t you think of anyone? Really? I can name few immediately. Kreuziger, Stybar, Vakoč

I have almost forgotten the best of them Leopold Konig

can you explain, what did you mean. IMHO, despite being very good riders, they do not come anywhere close to Sagan and probably not only him, skill and talent wise. One has to just take into account, the domination Sagan has in his domain, and that's been mainly thanks to his talent and skills, although he's getting better at tactics too. And then there comes the versatility of Sagan, which is obviously thank to his talent too.

KOKOSO will explain you. He is the expert on Sagan and czech riders.

 

[plooton]

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KOKOSO will explain you. He is the expert on Sagan and czech riders.[/quote]

Well, as you take it like this...a good one &#128528

 

[Bumeington]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I've actually seen that comes close. This year he is fulfilling his potential, and it's almost a bit ridiculous.

Imo Alaphilippe is at least as talented

 

[SKSemtex]

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Sagan might lack the big wins - well, more big wins than the WCRR - but I can honestly sat that I've never seen a rider like him. He's by far the biggest talent I've ever witnessed ride a bike. The only question is if he'll fulfill this potential and make his palmares reflect his talent and abilities.

Agreed. I can't think of anyone I've actually seen that comes close. This year he is fulfilling his potential, and it's almost a bit ridiculous.

Imo Alaphilippe is at least as talented

Yes. The boy is amazing.

 

[SKSemtex]

Back to TdS. SAGAN's third in raw or GAV's proof of his hype?"
I wish he can make it so we.can see him climbing with extra motivation. It is always fun.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I hope richeze wins a stage. he deserves it

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Back to TdS. SAGAN's third in raw or GAV's proof of his hype?"

With that 90 degree turn just 100m before the finish line it's either a crashfest or Sagan. He will pass it 5km/h faster than anyone else.

 

[jens_attacks]

Finish is uphill so sagan.

 

[May0maniac]

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I hope richeze wins a stage. he deserves it

Yes, he's scary strong, a great sprinter and a world class leadout man.
I know that he was signed to be Gaviria's leadout man, but it's still strange to see Sabatini as Kittels last man when they have Richeze who's world class in that position.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he is amazing in being the lead-out man and on top of that has a good engine and can climb very well. he's also a kamikaze in cornering