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I'm a bit confused here.
Were you complaining that Gerrans won by following the rules? How else should he have won? Oh, and don't say that the problem with the rules was that they allowed Gerrans to win. I must've missed the time he went on a huge candy-stealing spree, so I don't really get the collective hatred of him.
ebandit said:
I'm a bit confused here.
Were you complaining that Gerrans won by following the rules? How else should he have won? Oh, and don't say that the problem with the rules was that they allowed Gerrans to win. I must've missed the time he went on a huge candy-stealing spree, so I don't really get the collective hatred of him.
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Looks pretty facey to me.
Two eyes.
A nose.
A mouth.
A pair of ears.
Lupi33x said:might have something to do with his face
Looks pretty facey to me.
Two eyes.
A nose.
A mouth.
A pair of ears.
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Is Caleb Ewan the new Andrea Guardini? A master of early season races, stupendously quick but lacking in the endurance or climbing nous to get over many obstacles, meaning when he gets to the finish he's a favourite, but he'll get dropped in a lot of places others wouldn't?
It was great to see Ewan doing some time on the front of the peleton yesterday and then popping up to win again today. Robbie McEwan was commentating at the time and mentioned that he only ever did a turn on the front once in his career. Funny stuff.
I think that Ewan has already shown he can fire at all times in the season with different wins right throughout last year, including his stage in the Vuelta. I don't think it will be the height or weight issue with Ewan, I think it is more about the crashes. Sprinting is definitely the most dangerous gig and if he can stay upright and uninjured he will do really well. Every crash for those fast guys takes a small percent from the bodies ability and their confidence. That was why I was really impressed seeing Matty Hayman sitting on Ewan's back wheel today making sure he didn't get knocked around by older riders trying to get on his wheel.
I think that Ewan has already shown he can fire at all times in the season with different wins right throughout last year, including his stage in the Vuelta. I don't think it will be the height or weight issue with Ewan, I think it is more about the crashes. Sprinting is definitely the most dangerous gig and if he can stay upright and uninjured he will do really well. Every crash for those fast guys takes a small percent from the bodies ability and their confidence. That was why I was really impressed seeing Matty Hayman sitting on Ewan's back wheel today making sure he didn't get knocked around by older riders trying to get on his wheel.
Hats off to Gerrans as well. He had some terrible crashes throughout last year and for him to go down again on Stage 2 of this race, then get back on the horse and win two stages in a row was a gutsy effort. Same kudo's to Impey who also had his share of crashes in the last year and also came down in Stage 2.
Not sure how the cycling rated but today's stage was on the No. 1 channel on 9, after being moved to the second channel yesterday for the one day cricket. Channel 7 and the tennis are too big to knock off at this time of year but for 9 to have the cycling on their main channel means it is bringing in viewers and sponsors.
Not sure how the cycling rated but today's stage was on the No. 1 channel on 9, after being moved to the second channel yesterday for the one day cricket. Channel 7 and the tennis are too big to knock off at this time of year but for 9 to have the cycling on their main channel means it is bringing in viewers and sponsors.
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He was second in the u23 world championships in 2014 on what was not an easy course.
He is 21 - no one seems to be asking questions about what happened to anyone else from that 2014 WC race, who have not really made the transition to the pro's.
Ewan is not precious, he works for others when he cant win and is in a team with Gerrans and Matthews where there will usually be someone who sprints well off a tough course. He is a better allrounder than people think, but he is being judged pretty hard.
Ewan won the u19 TT championship in Australia, won the national u23 road race on the tough Buninyong circuit and then followed up with second in the seniors the next year on the same course.Libertine Seguros said:
He was second in the u23 world championships in 2014 on what was not an easy course.
He is 21 - no one seems to be asking questions about what happened to anyone else from that 2014 WC race, who have not really made the transition to the pro's.
Ewan is not precious, he works for others when he cant win and is in a team with Gerrans and Matthews where there will usually be someone who sprints well off a tough course. He is a better allrounder than people think, but he is being judged pretty hard.
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Let him win, there.
If only he didn't revert to his tactical wheels_cking in Europe.
I agree Gerrans rides like a human being in Oz.RedheadDane said:I'm a bit confused here.
Were you complaining that Gerrans won by following the rules? How else should he have won? Oh, and don't say that the problem with the rules was that they allowed Gerrans to win. I must've missed the time he went on a huge candy-stealing spree, so I don't really get the collective hatred of him.
Let him win, there.
If only he didn't revert to his tactical wheels_cking in Europe.
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What kind of conclusion is that? Master of early races???? Just because he obviously peaks for his home race?
He won Spanish classic in April moving to podiums in Norway and Turkey, before another podiums in August in Poland to win a stage in Grand Tour - in his 1st year...
What kind of endurance you expect him to have at 21?
Libertine Seguros said:
What kind of conclusion is that? Master of early races???? Just because he obviously peaks for his home race?
He won Spanish classic in April moving to podiums in Norway and Turkey, before another podiums in August in Poland to win a stage in Grand Tour - in his 1st year...
What kind of endurance you expect him to have at 21?
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Not going to go there re the Guardini comparison but your summation basically concurs with my fairest read on him.
Libertine Seguros said:
Not going to go there re the Guardini comparison but your summation basically concurs with my fairest read on him.
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Ewan is way more versatile then Guardini. He can actually survive tougher stages
Case in point:
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28101
Guardini could never EVER do that
So it's a horribly bad comparison.
Case in point:
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=28101
Guardini could never EVER do that
So it's a horribly bad comparison.
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Either way, it remains to be seen what impact his previous results have where he showed greater versatility, after all, Marcel Kittel was a TT specialist as an espoir, it's fair to say he's wound up specialising in a different area; Thor Hushovd had some good climbing and TT results as an espoir - people are often more versatile as espoirs than they become when they progress, and Ewan is also progressing earlier than most. That may go well for him, like it has for e.g. Sagan, or it might mean he gets pigeonholed into one direction earlier than some, to his detriment.
The problem is, when you're successful straight from the bat, the hype train begins, and then expectations go flying. That often leads to backlash. Phil & Paul are especially unhelpful in this regard (continually pointing out that he's already won six races this season for most of the race, seven obviously once he won the final stage - although when you look at it, four are national calendar races and mostly crits, and of the three that are international calendar, one is a meaningless sub-100km crit with WT points, one is a meaningless sub-100km crit without WT points, and one was a normal road stage. Even those who like Ewan may find such hype irritating as it unfairly inflates expectation of him to a point he can't achieve).fatsprintking said:
Either way, it remains to be seen what impact his previous results have where he showed greater versatility, after all, Marcel Kittel was a TT specialist as an espoir, it's fair to say he's wound up specialising in a different area; Thor Hushovd had some good climbing and TT results as an espoir - people are often more versatile as espoirs than they become when they progress, and Ewan is also progressing earlier than most. That may go well for him, like it has for e.g. Sagan, or it might mean he gets pigeonholed into one direction earlier than some, to his detriment.
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Glad to see that we are on the same page. I made a similar comparison to Guardini in this thread on January 19th ...
Libertine Seguros said:
Glad to see that we are on the same page. I made a similar comparison to Guardini in this thread on January 19th ...
Jancouver said:
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I really do not understand at all how you can compare Ewan to Guardini. Especially after earlier mentioned Vuelta result.
But we'll find out soon enough
But we'll find out soon enough
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That was actually a really easy stage, only the sprint went (slightly) uphill. Not that Guardini could win on a finish like that but you can not call that a tougher stage imo. In all other Vuelta stages Ewan got dropped also in the easier ones (in the harder ones he often did some work for the team).
Anyway I also do not like the comparison with Guardini and Ewan used to be pretty good at the hillier terrain in the U23 ranks, but he still has a lot to prove between the pros. But he has all the time in the world right now.
Dekker_Tifosi said:
That was actually a really easy stage, only the sprint went (slightly) uphill. Not that Guardini could win on a finish like that but you can not call that a tougher stage imo. In all other Vuelta stages Ewan got dropped also in the easier ones (in the harder ones he often did some work for the team).
Anyway I also do not like the comparison with Guardini and Ewan used to be pretty good at the hillier terrain in the U23 ranks, but he still has a lot to prove between the pros. But he has all the time in the world right now.
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We didn't create the hype
BTW he will be 22 in July so it is not like he is some junior teenager. Also, LS or neither did I say that he will not be winning races left and right.
Some of us just have the opinion that his wins will come from "easy-flat-crit" type of races, that's all.
LaFlorecita said:
We didn't create the hype
BTW he will be 22 in July so it is not like he is some junior teenager. Also, LS or neither did I say that he will not be winning races left and right.
Some of us just have the opinion that his wins will come from "easy-flat-crit" type of races, that's all.
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Yes and some of you make it sound as if that's some sort of crime against humanity.Jancouver said:LaFlorecita said:
We didn't create the hype
BTW he will be 22 in July so it is not like he is some junior teenager. Also, LS or neither did I say that he will not be winning races left and right.
Some of us just have the opinion that his wins will come from "easy-flat-crit" type of races, that's all.
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But you have to remember the expectations people had of Guardini after his breakout. It was going to be that the Giro was going to start filling itself with flat stages for him to win like they did for Petacchi back in '03-'04, he was going to be duelling with Cavendish for years, and so on. Over the course of the following 18 months those expectations were scaled back as the extent of his limitations became clear.Valv.Piti said:
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I dont even remember people having lofty expectations, I have only really followed cycling closely over the last two years contrary to just following the WT-calander from afar and watching the GT's and especially the Tour closely. But thank god he didn't, then
Anyways, I think we should wait for the season to unfold before judging him too hard. He is still on a super early stage of his career.
Libertine Seguros said:
I dont even remember people having lofty expectations, I have only really followed cycling closely over the last two years contrary to just following the WT-calander from afar and watching the GT's and especially the Tour closely. But thank god he didn't, then
Anyways, I think we should wait for the season to unfold before judging him too hard. He is still on a super early stage of his career.
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