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Were you expecting Fernandez to win the Vuelta or something?CheckMyPecs said:TV cameras showed him slaving away for Valverde in the lead-up to the climb, so we've got objective proof Movistar burned him.Breh said:If you drop that early it's not because Movistar is 'burning' him, it is because hes not good enough.portugal11 said:Movistar is so stupid... they were burning fernandez for nothing, or they really think that valverde could make the difference in a 200 m uphill sprint?
Its just I though these forums were for speaking about cycling with some kind of seriousness. Instead, its plenty of haters and crazy blind fans like Justin Bieber fans. Im tired of reading ***, so goodbye.BigMac said:Fernandez said:These forums are full of subnormales, Im done. Goodbike.
What does this mean and what are you referring to?
El Pistolero said:CheckMyPecs said:Yeah.Valv.Piti said:Just about the most versatile GC-rider in the world
He can sprint from 200 m.
He can sprint from 201 m.
He can sprint from 199 m...
Yeah, I never understood where people got this idea from that he's so versatile.
He can climb and sprint well. Since climbers are usually notoriously bad at sprinting someone like Valverde really stands out and can win a lot of races by simply surviving the hills/climbs. That's it basically.
Vincenzo Nibali, for example, is better at climbing, descending, cobbles and time trials. But because he lacks a sprint it's harder for him to win the same amount of races. We saw at the Olympic Road Race who was the better one of the two though. A shame he crashed, but he was risking everything for gold, not bronze or silver (like Valverde would have done).
Is Boonen versatile because he can "only" sprint and ride over cobbles really well? I've seen many people call Boonen one-dimensional.
damian13ster said:El Pistolero said:CheckMyPecs said:Yeah.Valv.Piti said:Just about the most versatile GC-rider in the world
He can sprint from 200 m.
He can sprint from 201 m.
He can sprint from 199 m...
Yeah, I never understood where people got this idea from that he's so versatile.
He can climb and sprint well. Since climbers are usually notoriously bad at sprinting someone like Valverde really stands out and can win a lot of races by simply surviving the hills/climbs. That's it basically.
Vincenzo Nibali, for example, is better at climbing, descending, cobbles and time trials. But because he lacks a sprint it's harder for him to win the same amount of races. We saw at the Olympic Road Race who was the better one of the two though. A shame he crashed, but he was risking everything for gold, not bronze or silver (like Valverde would have done).
Is Boonen versatile because he can "only" sprint and ride over cobbles really well? I've seen many people call Boonen one-dimensional.
Claiming that Valverde is not versatile is one of the most ridiculous thing I have read on here.
Valverde does well on:
- muritos
- long and steady climbs
- sprints
- downhill
- cobbles
- decent on TT
- has great recovery
Name one thing that he doesnt do well. He is the most versatile cyclist in thd peleton, and I don't think its even close. He is basically a Nibali just with a sprint and slightly lower top level on long and steady climbs
FTFY. I agree with the gist of you're argument, but his recovery isn't "great" like LeMond (or Quintana). Not even excellent like Froomey. He usually has a jour sans. That's why he's tied in GT wins with JuanJo Cobo and Chris Horner behind Gilberto Simoni despite being the best all-around rider of the Kelly-Sagan interregnum.damian13ster said:- has very good recovery
carton said:FTFY. I agree with the gist of you're argument, but his recovery isn't "great" like LeMond (or Quintana). Not even excellent like Froomey. He usually has a jour sans. That's why he's tied in GT wins with JuanJo Cobo and Chris Horner behind Gilberto Simoni despite being the best all-around rider of the Kelly-Sagan interregnum.damian13ster said:- has very good recovery
damian13ster said:El Pistolero said:CheckMyPecs said:Yeah.Valv.Piti said:Just about the most versatile GC-rider in the world
He can sprint from 200 m.
He can sprint from 201 m.
He can sprint from 199 m...
Yeah, I never understood where people got this idea from that he's so versatile.
He can climb and sprint well. Since climbers are usually notoriously bad at sprinting someone like Valverde really stands out and can win a lot of races by simply surviving the hills/climbs. That's it basically.
Vincenzo Nibali, for example, is better at climbing, descending, cobbles and time trials. But because he lacks a sprint it's harder for him to win the same amount of races. We saw at the Olympic Road Race who was the better one of the two though. A shame he crashed, but he was risking everything for gold, not bronze or silver (like Valverde would have done).
Is Boonen versatile because he can "only" sprint and ride over cobbles really well? I've seen many people call Boonen one-dimensional.
Claiming that Valverde is not versatile is one of the most ridiculous thing I have read on here.
Valverde does well on:
- muritos
- long and steady climbs
- sprints
- downhill
- cobbles
- decent on TT
- has great recovery
Name one thing that he doesnt do well. He is the most versatile cyclist in thd peleton, and I don't think its even close. He is basically a Nibali just with a sprint and slightly lower top level on long and steady climbs
Red Rick said:I'm just wondering why this, why now. Nothing happened today that makes me want to flame anybody.
Valv.Piti said:Your Valverde-hate is sickening. Can't you make a thread describing just how much he makes you vomit instead of spreading your nonsense throughout the forum? You have literally been on the record saying you basically hate him and he makes every race you watch worse, something like that.
I like the fact you highlight Nibali being better in various areas.. for 10 days a year. Nibali doesn't have anything on Valverde the remaning 355 days.
Valv.Piti said:Your Valverde-hate is sickening. Can't you make a thread describing just how much he makes you vomit instead of spreading your nonsense throughout the forum? You have literally been on the record saying you basically hate him and he makes every race you watch worse, something like that.
I like the fact you highlight Nibali being better in various areas.. for 10 days a year. Nibali doesn't have anything on Valverde the remaning 355 days.
This.dacooley said:when one loves a few riders, hates all other cycling superstars and herewith pretends to have some sort of objectivity, it always looks pretty comical.
silvergrenade said:This.dacooley said:when one loves a few riders, hates all other cycling superstars and herewith pretends to have some sort of objectivity, it always looks pretty comical.
I don't agree with that. Valverde is at least on par and probably slightly better at TT'ing than Nibali.El Pistolero said:CheckMyPecs said:Yeah.Valv.Piti said:Just about the most versatile GC-rider in the world
He can sprint from 200 m.
He can sprint from 201 m.
He can sprint from 199 m...
Yeah, I never understood where people got this idea from that he's so versatile.
He can climb and sprint well. Since climbers are usually notoriously bad at sprinting someone like Valverde really stands out and can win a lot of races by simply surviving the hills/climbs. That's it basically.
Vincenzo Nibali, for example, is better at climbing, descending, cobbles and time trials. But because he lacks a sprint it's harder for him to win the same amount of races. We saw at the Olympic Road Race who was the better one of the two though. A shame he crashed, but he was risking everything for gold, not bronze or silver (like Valverde would have done).
Is Boonen versatile because he can "only" sprint and ride over cobbles really well? I've seen many people call Boonen one-dimensional.
Hugo Koblet said:I don't agree with that. Valverde is at least on par and probably slightly better at TT'ing than Nibali.El Pistolero said:CheckMyPecs said:Yeah.Valv.Piti said:Just about the most versatile GC-rider in the world
He can sprint from 200 m.
He can sprint from 201 m.
He can sprint from 199 m...
Yeah, I never understood where people got this idea from that he's so versatile.
He can climb and sprint well. Since climbers are usually notoriously bad at sprinting someone like Valverde really stands out and can win a lot of races by simply surviving the hills/climbs. That's it basically.
Vincenzo Nibali, for example, is better at climbing, descending, cobbles and time trials. But because he lacks a sprint it's harder for him to win the same amount of races. We saw at the Olympic Road Race who was the better one of the two though. A shame he crashed, but he was risking everything for gold, not bronze or silver (like Valverde would have done).
Is Boonen versatile because he can "only" sprint and ride over cobbles really well? I've seen many people call Boonen one-dimensional.
gregrowlerson said:silvergrenade said:This.dacooley said:when one loves a few riders, hates all other cycling superstars and herewith pretends to have some sort of objectivity, it always looks pretty comical.
I am probably anti Valverde if anything, but lol at the claim that his recovery isn't great and doesn't compare to Contador, Froome and Nibali. Valverde's recovery is BETTER than those guys. The only reason why he hasn't won the GT's that they have is because his absolute top climbing level (on high mountains) isn't quite as good as their's.
disliking valverde froome or anyone else is OK, but trying to convince everyone that they are pathetic riders (when both of them are absolutely amazing riders) and imposing one's view on other forum members is humorous.silvergrenade said:This.dacooley said:when one loves a few riders, hates all other cycling superstars and herewith pretends to have some sort of objectivity, it always looks pretty comical.