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How can you comment in this thread without watching the race - Watch the race and then comment as much as you like - Finally don't take much notice of the comments in this thread as posters are never happy - At the end of the day it was a solid race and no surprise the three favorites came 1,2 and 3 - That says something.
Mayomaniac said:
How can you comment in this thread without watching the race - Watch the race and then comment as much as you like - Finally don't take much notice of the comments in this thread as posters are never happy - At the end of the day it was a solid race and no surprise the three favorites came 1,2 and 3 - That says something.
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Surely the incentive is already there. Wait for the finish and Valverde probably wins. There are plenty of opportunities in that last 40km to attack, or even earlier if riders want to make it really chaotic. The Redoute is the perfect climb for a rider or a small group to get a decent gap for a long range attack; even better than the Kruisberg and Keutenberg were in Amstel. Of course, if everyone just soft pedals up until then, then attacks will easily be closed down. But that is the choice of the favourites; the route isn't stop teams from riding harder earlier or risking more from further out - and the incentive is certainly there with Valverde close to unbeatable on the final climb.Valv.Piti said:
I just think not finishing in Ans would benefit the overall racing - I could obviously be wrong!
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I liked 2015 as well. Watching Moreno go up the road and the gap getting bigger and bigger with Purito and co. looking at Valverde had me on the edge of my seat.Valv.Piti said:
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Could be Scarponi's death no? And anyone is free to post, had they, or not, seen the race.
yaco said:
Could be Scarponi's death no? And anyone is free to post, had they, or not, seen the race.
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They probably should put the finish somewhere else for a better atmosphere and scenery alone! It seems a bit strange that such a big race, bringing so much publicity for Liege and the region, finishes in such a dump. I'm just far from convinced that this course is terrible in terms of providing racing opportunities. Most of the riders on the other hand...Valv.Piti said:
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Same exact thing at Huy and Ans, we pretty much know what will happen, yet many of the riders seems to believe they actually have a shot (or are racing for minor placings). So in short - finishing uphill, I think, generally is bad to good racing, at least in the classics.
I generally find riders and directors pretty stupid tho. Finishing on the Cauberg, the riders knew 3 or 4 riders realistically could win, yet most still seemed content with riding to the bottom of the climb peacefully.DFA123 said:
Same exact thing at Huy and Ans, we pretty much know what will happen, yet many of the riders seems to believe they actually have a shot (or are racing for minor placings). So in short - finishing uphill, I think, generally is bad to good racing, at least in the classics.
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Yes, I just didn't feel like watching a big one day race for over 2 hours after that.rhubroma said:
What a clueless post, yaco. He can watch what he wants and comment whereever he wants to, have a little respect, I think it was pretty obvious he was referring to Scarponi's death. Jeez.
It wasn't a bad edition. Plenty of attacks in the last 40km. Just none that held a significant advantage. But that also keeps it interesting.
Last year was worse. Even though I was very happy with Poels winning in the end.
Last year was worse. Even though I was very happy with Poels winning in the end.
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I strongly disagree - I never post in race threads without watching the race - What could I add to the thread ? - It's a problem across many sporting forums.
rhubroma said:
I strongly disagree - I never post in race threads without watching the race - What could I add to the thread ? - It's a problem across many sporting forums.
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My post is relevant if you want higher quality debate in threads - What can you add if you didn't watch the race.
Valv.Piti said:
My post is relevant if you want higher quality debate in threads - What can you add if you didn't watch the race.
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It was a solid race - Losing the cobbled climb which split the peleton in 2016, could have made a difference in 2017 - But ultimately the three favorites finished on the podium - That means something.
Escarabajo said:
It was a solid race - Losing the cobbled climb which split the peleton in 2016, could have made a difference in 2017 - But ultimately the three favorites finished on the podium - That means something.
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The hardest classic had 30 riders within half a minute of each other, one slightly significant move was made in the last 20km which never got over 10 seconds, and the deciding moves all happened in the 1'30" of the race
That means something.
yaco said:
The hardest classic had 30 riders within half a minute of each other, one slightly significant move was made in the last 20km which never got over 10 seconds, and the deciding moves all happened in the 1'30" of the race
That means something.
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I still haven't watched the race either yet I've posted something in this thread. Mayo's remark was so inoffensive as well, there was no reason to get worked up about it. It was perhaps the most apt remark if you hadn't watched the race.
yaco said:
I still haven't watched the race either yet I've posted something in this thread. Mayo's remark was so inoffensive as well, there was no reason to get worked up about it. It was perhaps the most apt remark if you hadn't watched the race.
I saw the last 30km. Kreuziger was really strong. Bonus points for Cofidis and Cannondale for an agressive approach and tactical racing. The biggest problem with Sky's tactics was Flowers' positioning. Using the Henaos earlier on was logical. I was watching out for Mike in the last 5km and thought "either he doesn't have the legs, or he is way out of position". From the way he came through the field at the end, the second was true. I don't think it was ridiculous to think he could beat Valverde in the sprint, but given the position of the race after Roche that was the only card that Sky really had left.
The end was inevitable. The headwind did not help, but a rethink of the finish would be a good idea. I'd put the hard stuff at 60-30km to go, followed by more rolling terrain.
The end was inevitable. The headwind did not help, but a rethink of the finish would be a good idea. I'd put the hard stuff at 60-30km to go, followed by more rolling terrain.
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Yeah just like he had everything to win Milan San Remo, RVV and Paris Roubaix this year
Again the parcours need to change at LBL ....the race needs to be made tougher in the middle and towards the last 15km but not the last 2km also the route needs changing as too well known now
There is alot of moaning on here about the riders having no balls but lots of riders attacked today ...attacked didnt stick which is different to saying they didnt attack ...
The race was boring not necessarily becasue Valverde won but because each attack was not strong enough and had failure written all over it ...and the race was too predictable
a week tomorrow will be the 3rd stage of the Tour of Yorkshire and it will be several times more exciting mostly because the riders and DSs do not have the route and tactics down to a T...of course no one knows who the strongest will be but likely just a few WT riders ..but there will still be open racing
portugal11 said:
Yeah just like he had everything to win Milan San Remo, RVV and Paris Roubaix this year
Again the parcours need to change at LBL ....the race needs to be made tougher in the middle and towards the last 15km but not the last 2km also the route needs changing as too well known now
There is alot of moaning on here about the riders having no balls but lots of riders attacked today ...attacked didnt stick which is different to saying they didnt attack ...
The race was boring not necessarily becasue Valverde won but because each attack was not strong enough and had failure written all over it ...and the race was too predictable
a week tomorrow will be the 3rd stage of the Tour of Yorkshire and it will be several times more exciting mostly because the riders and DSs do not have the route and tactics down to a T...of course no one knows who the strongest will be but likely just a few WT riders ..but there will still be open racing
I thought it was a decent finale.
There was actually quite a lot of aggression, it was raced hard + the three big faves finished 1-2-3. This will sound ridiculous, but it actually wasn't that predictable until Valverde put the after burners on. Chapeau to him, it was a beautiful ride.
That GVA and Matthews finished in the first group - that says a lot about their quality, versatility and form - and nothing about the parcours.
Okay, and I'll be accused of trolling here but I enjoyed that much more than RVV.
There was actually quite a lot of aggression, it was raced hard + the three big faves finished 1-2-3. This will sound ridiculous, but it actually wasn't that predictable until Valverde put the after burners on. Chapeau to him, it was a beautiful ride.
That GVA and Matthews finished in the first group - that says a lot about their quality, versatility and form - and nothing about the parcours.
Okay, and I'll be accused of trolling here but I enjoyed that much more than RVV.
I just got home and watched the last 45 minutes or so on YouTube: not a bad race at all I don't think that anything is wrong with the course actually. A lot of the disappointment that I read is because the result was predictable. I get that. Too bad that Gilbert wasn't there, maybe. But hats off to Bala: the other guys were not strong enough to do him like they do Sagan.
I wish the Alps Pinot had been there . And I'm glad that Formolo didn't win...the DNS stuff? No good.
I wish the Alps Pinot had been there
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