2017 season riders schedule

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: Re:

Sam Bennett:

Tour Down Under
Cadel Evans Great Ocean Road Race
Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne
Paris Nice
Milan San Remo
Volta a Catalunya
Scheldeprijs
Frankfurt
Giro d’Italia.

He was supposed to do Qatar, but obviously not now.

Sagan is also scheduled to do the TDU, KBK, MSR and Frankfurt. It will be interesting to see if Bennett will be leading him out or what exactly he will be doing. Bennett hasn't really led anyone out as a pro and rarely did it as an espoir. He's been the main sprinter on a CT or PCT team since he was a kid. If the team wanted him to learn to do it, you'd expect more of an overlap. Given that Sagan is one of the best positional riders in the peloton, I doubt if he wants to be on the wheel of a completely inexperienced lead out. So maybe Bennett will just be a general domestique for those races.

Overall the schedule looks pretty good. A lot of the juiciest sprinters races are now Sagan's, but Bora weren't in such a wide range of big races as a PCT outfit anyway. There are plenty of chances for Bennett to lead.

 

[yaco]

Surprised Sagan isn't riding the Cadel Evans Race - Can win that race.

 

[classicomano]

Major Tom (Dumoulin).

Abu Dhabi Tour
Strade Bianche
Tirreno Adriatico
Milan-Sanremo
Liege-Bastogne-Liege
Giro d'Italia

.. Maybe Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Ion Izagirre:

Andalucía
P-N
Pais Vasco
Ardennes
Romandie
Tour of Teide
Tour de Suisse
Tour de France

 

[Squire]

Tour of Teide?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Tour of Teide?

Just training camp at Tenerife :lol:

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

Landa

Vuelta a Valanciana/Vuelta a Andalucia
Tirreno-Adriatico
Volta a Catalunya
Tour of Alps
Giro d'Italia

No País Vasco???

Based on last year that changes anyway until Itzulia gets underway. I wouldn't be surprised if Landa eventually appears in the final line-up nevertheless what's scheduled now.

Tour of the Alps being new name for Trentino, why the name change?

 

[barmaher]

I believe the race will be split between the Italian province of Trentino and the neighboring province of (I think) South Tyrol in Austria.

 

[roundabout]

Re:

South Tyrol is also in Italy

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

I believe the race will be split between the Italian province of Trentino and the neighboring province of (I think) South Tyrol in Austria.

Not exactly but I understand that thats a bit confusing for people who aren't from Austria or Italy. South Tyrol is a part of the Italian state Trentino and was therefore also always part of the Giro del Trentino. However from this year on there will also be stages in East Tyrol and North Tyrol. The reason why South Tyrol is the only Tyrolean part, which is now in Italy is because the state Tyrol (which was actually always part of Austria) was split after Austria lost the 2nd World War. So henceforward South Tyrol became a part of Trentino and Italy. Thats btw also the reason why most people in South Tyrol still speak German.

Here is the link to a map which shows Trentino, South Tyrol, North Tyrol and East Tyrol:
http://www.suedtirol-tirol.com/media/karte-von-tirol-suedtirol-trentino,76824589.jpg
(only the red part is Austrian)

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

I believe the race will be split between the Italian province of Trentino and the neighboring province of (I think) South Tyrol in Austria.

Not exactly but I understand that thats a bit confusing for people who aren't from Austria or Italy. South Tyrol is a part of the Italian state Trentino and was therefore also always part of the Giro del Trentino. However from this year on there will also be stages in East Tyrol and North Tyrol. The reason why South Tyrol is the only Tyrolean part, which is now in Italy is because the state Tyrol (which was actually always part of Austria) was split after Austria lost the 2nd World War. So henceforward South Tyrol became a part of Trentino and Italy. Thats btw also the reason why most people in South Tyrol still speak German.

Here is the link to a map which shows Trentino, South Tyrol, North Tyrol and East Tyrol:
http://www.suedtirol-tirol.com/media/karte-von-tirol-suedtirol-trentino,76824589.jpg
(only the red part is Austrian)

Interesting. Are the Dolomites part of South Tyrol?

 

[fauniera]

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South Tyrol is a part of the Italian state Trentino and was therefore also always part of the Giro del Trentino.

In theory yes, but in most years Südtirol got ignored by the organisers of the Giro del Trentino, who usually limited their race to the Italian speaking part of Trentino. This is obviously going to change now.

The reason why South Tyrol is the only Tyrolean part, which is now in Italy is because the state Tyrol (which was actually always part of Austria) was split after Austria lost the 2nd World War.

The first one.

 

[Eshnar]

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Interesting. Are the Dolomites part of South Tyrol?

Some of them are in Trentino, some in Veneto, some in South Tyrol and some even in Friuli.

 

[staubsauger]

South Tyrol ain't part of Trentino. Both are independent provinces. That's why the Tour of Trentin was mainly held in the province of Trentino and widely ignored South Tyrol! Because it was the race of the province Trentino. Not the region Trentino-Alto Adige.

South Tyrol and Trentino together build the region Trentino-Alto Adige on paper. Effectively both provinces got their own government and that region has very limited power compared to others like Lombardy. South Tyrol actually has more political freedom nowadays as part of Italy than it probably ever would've had as part of Austria. That's why many South Tyrolees are kinda happy with that situation today, while the separatists argue that they've sold their soul to Italy!

Trentino, although always Italian native,actually was part of the Austrian monarchy as well unti the end of the 1st world war. For example Riva del Garda was named Reiff am Gartsee back then.

South Tyrol and Trentino went to Italy as a reward for joining the alliance against Germany and Austria after the 1WW. The fascist, most notably Tomassini were dreaming about a Kingdom of Italy that reaches from the Brennerpass / Passo di Brennero to the Mediterranen Sea. Many names of passes, villages etc. that are still official up to today, originally were fantasy names or bad translations invented by the Fascists. Most notably Alto Adige itself. The correct Italian term should be Sudtirolo I believe!?

Bozen / Bolzano actually is a Italian city with mainly Italians living there. Just like at Leifers / Laives. Meran / Merano rougly has got equal Italians and Tyrolees. While Brixen / Bressanone, Bruneck / Brunico and Toblach / Dobiaco are mainly German speaking, but still got a large Italian community. In the mountains there are mainly Tyrolees. Especially in villages like Kastelruth / Castelrotto.

Of course there are as well Ladin people. Mainly in the Gröden / Val Gardensa area. These are actually the true aborigines of the Dolomites. That's why some call them the Indians of the Alps comically. Which of course is kinda political incorrect.

Some Dolomites cols are in South Tyrol. Most famously the Kronplatz/Plan de Corones, Furkelsattel / Passo di Furcia, Würzjoch / Passo delle Erbe, partly Reiterjoch / Alpe di Pampeago, Seiser Alm / Alpe di Siusi, Nigerpass / Passo Nigra, Kreuztal / Valcroce, parts of the Rosengarten Gruppe / Catinaccio, Panider Sattel / Passo di Pinei etc. pp. The Tre Cime di Lavaredo / Drei Zinnen col or more exactly the Rifugio Auronzo / Auronzohütte pass borders Veneto from South Soth Tyrol. Although the tourist office of South Tyrol heavily advertises with the “Drei Zinnen“.

The Kieneralm and the Linzer Dolomiten officially ain't part of the Dolomites. Which causes confusion sometimes.

Nowadays South Tyrol has become the paradigm of cultural diversity and modern Europe. Despite all the past controversy which sadly enough partly lifts up until today.

 

[Squire]

Despite not being entirely relevant to the thread, that is very interesting. Thanks!

 

[May0maniac]

Good post Staubsauger, that's nice summary.
I'd like to mention the fact that Innichen's Italian cummunity is almost as big as the one in Toblach, but Toblach is really known for it's cultural diversity and it is the only manly German speaking municipality in Südtirol that has an Italian mayor. A lot of it has also to do with the fact that there has always been a lot of contact between us, Cortina, the Comelico and Northeast Italy. The funny thing is that Cortina has a much longer history of being Austrian, it became a part of Tyrol in 1511 until WWI.
The Tre Cime situation is actually a bit complicated, it's not only the border between 2 regions, but also the border of the 3 municipalities Auronzo, Toblach and Sexten, so they all have a claim.
Back to the main topic, any news about Patrick Konrad and Emanuel Buchmann?

 

[Guybrush]

Edu Sepulveda:

San Juan
Laigueglia
Tour de la Provence
Sur Ardeche
Paris-Nice
Catalunya
Brabantse Pijl
FW
LBL
Tour

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Edu Sepulveda:

San Juan
Laigueglia
Tour de la Provence
Sur Ardeche
Paris-Nice
Catalunya
Brabantse Pijl
FW
LBL
Tour

I wonder if Sepulveda ever will live up to my expectations...

 

[Alexandre B.]

LL Sanchez

Tour Down Under
Vuelta a la Comunidad Valenciana
Volta ao Algarve
Paris-Nice
Milano-San Remo
Vuelta a Pais Vaisco
Ardennes Classics
Giro d'Italia
Tour de Suisse
Tour de Pologne
Vuelta a Espana

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

Edu Sepulveda:

San Juan
Laigueglia
Tour de la Provence
Sur Ardeche
Paris-Nice
Catalunya
Brabantse Pijl
FW
LBL
Tour

I wonder if Sepulveda ever will live up to my expectations...

I am not sure about your expectations from Sepulveda, but in the past we have seen that success in South America doesn't always translate to success in the old continent.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

The reason why South Tyrol is the only Tyrolean part, which is now in Italy is because the state Tyrol (which was actually always part of Austria) was split after Austria lost the 2nd World War.

The first one.

Oh my god thats embarrassing. I swear I know that it was the first one, and that this only was a slip, but this is still extremely embarrassing

 

[Flamin]

Lefevre confirms Gaviria is scheduled for the Tour, alongside Kittel, Jungels, Dan Martin and Brambilla. No Giro then I guess.

 

[Squire]

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Lefevre confirms Gaviria is scheduled for the Tour, alongside Kittel, Jungels, Dan Martin and Brambilla. No Giro then I guess.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Where did you read that?

 

[Flamin]

http://m.hln.be/hln/m/nl/952/Wielre...n-Omloop-in-op-zowel-Boonen-als-Gilbert.dhtml

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Lefevre confirms Gaviria is scheduled for the Tour, alongside Kittel, Jungels, Dan Martin and Brambilla. No Giro then I guess.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Where did you read that?

Maybe they've thought to themselves that classics + Giro is too much for the young guy.

Im with you tho. He could just abandon after stage 13 like every other sprinter apart from the Italian ones and there are plenty of flat stages up until that. If he doesn't ride the Giro, I hope he at least will skip the Tour and ride the Vuelta instead. Leading out Kittel would be a travesty.