2017 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya, March 20-26, WT

[Aguirre]

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

 

[DFA123]

Re:

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

Yep, and they tend to be the worst kind of moralistas - hypocrites. BMC biggest win this season came from a rider blatantly breaking the rules.

UCI has really opened a can of worms by not just ignoring the complaint. Unless they're going to do something every time a rider is caught on camera drafting behind cars, taking a sticky bottle, riding on a sidewalks, having any kind of physical contact with another rider etc... then they're just going to look inconsistent and incompetent.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

Acording the rules you cant go uphill even with your bike if you are by feet. And we see that lot of times in cycling, for instance in Aia, Montelupone or other walls... No rider must pay a big mistake by the TDF, it would have been unfair...
I agree what you said about yesterday stage stuff, but that is another story. I am sure that if is Mollema or Quitana who were running would have been the same, becouse the mistake was from le Tour, and you cant stop le Tour.

 

[Escarabajo]

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At the end if they are going to punish somebody they had to do it right. Nothing wrong with that. So I think the decision to punish the whole team is the right one.

However, I still think those to pushes were nothing. very inoffensive. I don't think they changed the outcome of the TTT. So I thought that is a harsh rule if it is applicable in this case.

Lastly, fans will never be happy. Obviously. Some cheer for some teams some for the others. And the rest hate the UCI.

I'm guessing you've never ridden a TTT then? The race was won by 2 seconds. One of those incidents could easily be the difference between the two teams.

I have never ridden a TTT. Not even a TT. Maybe it made a difference because it was by two seconds. But what he did looked like not much to me.

Rules are rules and I am happy they are enforced correctly.

 

[casati]

Re: Re:

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.
Remember you have

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

Yep, and they tend to be the worst kind of moralistas - hypocrites. BMC biggest win this season came from a rider blatantly breaking the rules.

UCI has really opened a can of worms by not just ignoring the complaint. Unless they're going to do something every time a rider is caught on camera drafting behind cars, taking a sticky bottle, riding on a sidewalks, having any kind of physical contact with another rider etc... then they're just going to look inconsistent and incompetent.

Be careful about making blanket statements, Remember you have Anglo Saxon, English speakers on this forum just as it is wrong to make disparaging remarks about Spain, etc

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

I agree with your overall sentiments. Thats why I have a hard time rooting for Anglos as well. TJ's behaviour on twitter was, IMO, so much out of order it was sickening.

I didn't see BMC complaining to UCI after Greg won Het Volk. When they win rules don't matter.

Anyways, whats done is done. It will probably make for a better race, who knows. The thing Im pissed the most about is the fact 888sports had Valverde @ 2,60 at 100 Euros after yesterday's stage. And now they get away with. Talentless bookies.

 

[rick james]

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Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. [/b][/u]That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

Must say the movistar/Spanish fans have took the result with grace :lol:

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.
Remember you have

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

Yep, and they tend to be the worst kind of moralistas - hypocrites. BMC biggest win this season came from a rider blatantly breaking the rules.

UCI has really opened a can of worms by not just ignoring the complaint. Unless they're going to do something every time a rider is caught on camera drafting behind cars, taking a sticky bottle, riding on a sidewalks, having any kind of physical contact with another rider etc... then they're just going to look inconsistent and incompetent.

Be careful about making blanket statements, Remember you have Anglo Saxon, English speakers on this forum just as it is wrong to make disparaging remarks about Spain, etc

Well, this isn't about any forum users - it's about riders and teams. And there are no more hypocritical - uphold the rules when it suits us, ignore them when it doesn't - teams than Sky, Trek and BMC imo. Moaning about other teams breaking minor rules, when they also break rules in pretty every race - drafting behind team cars, or motos or whatever. No one likes hypocrites.

 

[mariposa]

Just a personal reflection but I don't like Twitter or other social media being used to complain like Van Garderen and Dennis did in this case. It is almost trial by social media of the person being complained about. You only have to look at some of the comments on forums like this and the cycling news article to see that people had an opinion even though they hadn't even seen the TV shots. They just believe what the person they follow says without seeing or hearing the evidence. BMC were, as I understand it, already complaining to the jury so why the need to try and use Twitter to influence things? Trek apparently also made a complaint but, I at least, haven't seen them trying to reinforce it on social media. A type of bullying as far as I am concerned whatever you think of what happened and the final decision made by the jury. Whatever the right and wrongs I think that BMC and some of their riders don't come out of this in a good light.

 

[rhubroma]

Re: Re:

Anglo-saxon riders are usually "cry babies" on twitter. That in the BMC case is its highest expression. See last year's Tirreno-Adriatico when they were the only ones defendeding the cancellation of the mountain stage... and we saw GVA winning it...

It's a fact of cycling in globalisation, and anglo-saxon riders think their use of english and its hegemony in terms of monetary power and geopolitical influence can now affect UCI more than ever. Thats the use of Twitter and using #UCI, etc.

Oh wait, wasn't Lance was the first using Twitter as a weapon?

But, common guys, following the rules, Froome's run on mont ventoux should have been pay off with expulsion!!!!! Oh, no, he is a leader of Sky and it was the Tour de France.

I repeat here: most of the anglo-saxon riders are "cry babies" in Twitter, and that includes Tejay and Dennis. Period.

I agree with your overall sentiments. Thats why I have a hard time rooting for Anglos as well. TJ's behaviour on twitter was, IMO, so much out of order it was sickening.

I didn't see BMC complaining to UCI after Greg won Het Volk. When they win rules don't matter.

Anyways, whats done is done. It will probably make for a better race, who knows. The thing Im pissed the most about is the fact 888sports had Valverde @ 2,60 at 100 Euros after yesterday's stage. And now they get away with. Talentless bookies.

On the other hand, of course, if the Spanish hadn't so shamelessly interpreted the rules to give Valverde the lead, the Anglo-Saxon hegemony would loose its moral ground.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I can't wait to see what will happen when Porte gets a sticky bottle or Greg van Avermaet (altho I very much like him) uses the pavement. I assume it will be okay 'coz everyone does it.

 

[rick james]

Sky train

 

[rhubroma]

What I meant is that if the Latin countries want more respect then they must deal with their own corruption and moral relativity, to drain the fuel out of the high-minded and uppity Anglo-Saxon pretentions.

 

[RedheadDane]

Only some 30 kms left. Did they go crazy fast?
Dammit, Valv.Piti. You told me they'd be done in DDV in good time before this would be.

 

[Taxus4a]

There is already less people in this peloton than last year in the same stage in the last KM...

Froome attack at the second Km of the second pass of La Molina...Or maybe Thomas, as other teams cant allow him go...

 

[DFA123]

Re:

What I meant is that if the Latin countries want more respect then they must deal with their own corruption and moral relativity, to drain the fuel out of the high-minded and uppity Anglo-Saxon pretentions.

Erm, what does this pretentious nonsense have to do with the Volta a Catalunya?

 

[rhubroma]

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What I meant is that if the Latin countries want more respect then they must deal with their own corruption and moral relativity, to drain the fuel out of the high-minded and uppity Anglo-Saxon pretentions.

Erm, what does this pretentious nonsense have to do with the Volta a Catalunya?

Well read Aguirre's post above. I was just responding to the commentary.

 

[rei_da_montanha]

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Acording the rules you cant go uphill even with your bike if you are by feet. And we see that lot of times in cycling, for instance in Aia, Montelupone or other walls... No rider must pay a big mistake by the TDF, it would have been unfair...
I agree what you said about yesterday stage stuff, but that is another story. I am sure that if is Mollema or Quitana who were running would have been the same, becouse the mistake was from le Tour, and you cant stop le Tour.

That's the problem. Froome wasn´t with his bike when he decided to run in Ventoux.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

What I meant is that if the Latin countries want more respect then they must deal with their own corruption and moral relativity, to drain the fuel out of the high-minded and uppity Anglo-Saxon pretentions.

Erm, what does this pretentious nonsense have to do with the Volta a Catalunya?

Your country is 100% corrupt. What is even up with these Spaniards? You could learn something from Wiggo, Brailsford and the rest og British cycling, thats how things are done properly.

 

[SafeBet]

Is the jury Spanish?

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Acording the rules you cant go uphill even with your bike if you are by feet. And we see that lot of times in cycling, for instance in Aia, Montelupone or other walls... No rider must pay a big mistake by the TDF, it would have been unfair...
I agree what you said about yesterday stage stuff, but that is another story. I am sure that if is Mollema or Quitana who were running would have been the same, becouse the mistake was from le Tour, and you cant stop le Tour.

That's the problem. Froome wasn´t with his bike when he decided to run in Ventoux.

lol, still hurting :lol:

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

I can't wait to see what will happen when Porte gets a sticky bottle or Greg van Avermaet (altho I very much like him) uses the pavement. I assume it will be okay 'coz everyone does it.

I think many people had a massive problem with what happened at Omloop, I certainly did and thought they should have been thrown out.

 

[Taxus4a]

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[quote="Taxus4a

Acording the rules you cant go uphill even with your bike if you are by feet. And we see that lot of times in cycling, for instance in Aia, Montelupone or other walls... No rider must pay a big mistake by the TDF, it would have been unfair...
I agree what you said about yesterday stage stuff, but that is another story. I am sure that if is Mollema or Quitana who were running would have been the same, becouse the mistake was from le Tour, and you cant stop le Tour.

That's the problem. Froome wasn´t with his bike when he decided to run in Ventoux.[/quote]

Yes, but it is the same if you are with your bike if you read the rules...Rules has no sense...
But the question there is that all the final part of the stage was cancelled, and it was the feared decission. In normal conditions...with all the climb and normal peo`le..Froome would have got time to his rivals, so he was the most damaged by the Tour big mistake...

 

[rick james]

The dawg won't enjoy seeing that white stuff at the side of the road

 

[King Boonen]

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At the end if they are going to punish somebody they had to do it right. Nothing wrong with that. So I think the decision to punish the whole team is the right one.

However, I still think those to pushes were nothing. very inoffensive. I don't think they changed the outcome of the TTT. So I thought that is a harsh rule if it is applicable in this case.

Lastly, fans will never be happy. Obviously. Some cheer for some teams some for the others. And the rest hate the UCI.

I'm guessing you've never ridden a TTT then? The race was won by 2 seconds. One of those incidents could easily be the difference between the two teams.

I have never ridden a TTT. Not even a TT. Maybe it made a difference because it was by two seconds. But what he did looked like not much to me.

Rules are rules and I am happy they are enforced correctly.

Maintaining formation makes a massive difference. If it weren't for the pushing they would have had riders dropping back, working hard or the team slowing slightly to keep together. It's part of the skill of TTT and one of the reasons it's good to see them enforce this rule.