2017 Worlds BERGEN, NORWAY, ITT ELITE Wednesday 20 Sept

[AQETUYIOI]

Re: Re:

I don't think changing bikes was the wiser choice, looking at how only 2 of the 10 fastest on the climb made a bike change, EBH being a special case.

Definately more than 2. Dennis, roglic, ebh and kelderman were on a road bike. Out of my head, as I dint even see it, but from what I read.

...used a roadbike with rear disc and clip-on bars
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[Red Rick]

If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

 

[Forever The Best]

Also, forgot to say, so happy for Rogla.

 

[miguelindurain111]

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If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

Sure. Another thing we may have learned is that if you win le Tour and la Vuelta your legs may be slightly tired in the Worlds.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

Sure. Another thing we may have learned is that if you win le Tour and la Vuelta your legs may be slightly tired in the Worlds.

Froome should have quit the Vuelta after second rest day to concentrate on Worlds

 

[miguelindurain111]

Re: Re:

If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

Sure. Another thing we may have learned is that if you win le Tour and la Vuelta your legs may be slightly tired in the Worlds.

Froome should have quit the Vuelta after second rest day to concentrate on Worlds

:lol:

 

[Norbea]

Really cool that they had to shut down the access to Mount Fløyen early on because the crowd was overwhelming. Bergen surprised me today. Didn't expect them to put on such a party for this race. It was like watching a classic or a queen stage on TdF.

 

[rick james]

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If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

and do you count the Tour and Vuelta in Froomes legs?

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

Sure. Another thing we may have learned is that if you win le Tour and la Vuelta your legs may be slightly tired in the Worlds.

Froome should have quit the Vuelta after second rest day to concentrate on Worlds

lol :lol: :lol:

 

[rick james]

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This makes a showdown between TD and CF very exciting, superior in the TT and equal in climbs.

No.

Yeah ...you are right Dumoulin IS better on the climbs

(and his team are very good)

calm down

In fairness the tdf vs Giro estimated watts were equal. Given the Giro route (and assuming Dumoulin wouldn't have taken a **** halfway through) and their respective form (Froome's tour form), Tom would've won.

froome was stronger at the Vuelta, they were all putting out big watts

 

[Brullnux]

Not on climbs longer than 6km. He only climbed the Angliru 34 seconds faster than a Nibali with a cracked rib. The big watts ended after the first week.

 

[DFA123]

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If we learnt anything today, it's that starting a climb in a peloton is completely different from starting a climb when it's just a smaller part of a max effort.

Not sure we even learnt that from today. The climb was so weird with an insane number of tight hairpins, that it would have been impossible to keep any kind of rhythm or steady power like you would on a normal climb - max effort or not.

 

[hazaran]

The watt numbers don't help with Dumoulin. Duh, he's a TTer who learned to climb (aka diet), of course he can produce the watts to be highly competitive. But as the Vuelta 15 and the Giro showed again and again, he doesn't follow attacks. He always lets people go and keeps his rhythm.

That works great when it's a long MTF and you can catch and drop people before the line, but it's disastrous when there's a descent and some flat to the finish and all your competitors have got over the top some 20 seconds in front of you and work together to make it into a minute gap.

The numbers are great but if he wants to win against the Sky train, he needs to get some anaerobic power to follow those attacks. Just look at what happened to Porte.

 

[kingjr]

I like that someone voted for Dumoulin long after the race was over just to make it a hundred. Who is the hero?

 

[RedheadDane]

(Hope this is the right place to post this.)

Here's a comparison picture between the crowds this year, and the... well... desert last year.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re:

Not on climbs longer than 6km. He only climbed the Angliru 34 seconds faster than a Nibali with a cracked rib. The big watts ended after the first week.

Plus Kelderman stayed with or close to Froome on a lot of mountain stages. I can tell you Dumoulin climbs better...so.

 

[Robert5091]

Tommy D does the business, and chapeau Roglic! Froome might have had 2 GTs in his legs, but Moscon 5th? Wow!

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Re:

This makes a showdown between TD and CF very exciting, superior in the TT and equal in climbs.

No.

Yeah ...you are right Dumoulin IS better on the climbs

(and his team are very good)

calm down

I am calm ....
But the age of the Froome is coming to an end and the age of the Doumulin is nigh

I wonder how much TT they will put in the Tour to give Tom the edge ....they wil want him to have as good a chance as he can to take on SKY ...So I 'd say 2 ITT and a few one climb stages

 

[johnymax]

Major Tom so incredibly strong, are you kidding me. That's what you call a dominant performance. He's finally taken what belongs to him. I can't wait to see Dumoulin vs Froome in the Tour next year.

Roglič, yesss So happy for his silver medal. Like I said yesterday, when I have a so so feeling about his TT before the race, he usually delivers big. Congrats.

Chapeau also to Froome. He is having a phenomenal stretch from the Tour till now. I can't wait to see Froome vs Dumoulin in the Tour next year (hmm, it sounds familiar )

Moscon very strong, amazing talent. What can't he do?

Dennis again disappointing. What's with him in big races? Does he really melt under pressure or is he just one of the unluckiest riders around

Tratnik deserves a mention. Great 10th place for him. He was 4th or 5th fastest on the final climb I think. The man keeps progressing slowly but steady.

 

[MountTiede]

For Froome to get a Bronze was frankly amazing after his TDF and Vuelta wins - don't forget the second and third in the TDF Bardet and Aru finished more than half and hour behind Froome in the Vuelta - putting into perspective the size of the TDF/Vuelta challenge and the enormity of Froome's achievement.

2018 TDF - Latest Odds
10/11 Froome
7/2 Dumoulin
5/1 Porte

 

[deValtos]

Im convinced the 2018 TDF route is set up for a Froome/Dumo showdown.

Problem for Dumo is after 2018 they're going to back to Bardet friendly routes for a few years, hello one 10km TT.

 

[MountTiede]

Major props to Hamish Bond of NZ - 39th doesn't look too great until you consider that he only switched from rowing this time last year, where he and Eric Murray were undefeated globally in the coxless pairs for eight seasons.

 

[Tonton]

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Im convinced the 2018 TDF route is set up for a Froome/Dumo showdown.

Problem for Dumo is after 2018 they're going to back to Bardet friendly routes for a few years, hello one 10km TT.

That is the question.

Setting '18 for for a showdown between these two should be a no-brainer. USPS vs. Dumourain. And looking at the TTT plus ITT from these championships (small sample but still), Tom would be my favorite. The more ITT, the better...there's no Sky-train in ITT. Let Bardet go for the Giro, have the intrigue be the slaying of the dragon...or praying mantis if you will .

Wonderful Dumoulin, Roglic should think GTs now that he's established as a very strong ITT guy AND stage race rider (Spilak level, which is really good) IMO. Zakarin lost what he lost at Il Giro in a 30 km ITT. Different profile, same result. Wilco solid, Dumoulin-Light (cheers ). Moscon...I don't care.

 

[MountTiede]

Re: Re:

Im convinced the 2018 TDF route is set up for a Froome/Dumo showdown.

Problem for Dumo is after 2018 they're going to back to Bardet friendly routes for a few years, hello one 10km TT.

That is the question.

Setting '18 for for a showdown between these two should be a no-brainer. USPS vs. Dumourain. And looking at the TTT plus ITT from these championships (small sample but still), Tom would be my favorite. The more ITT, the better...there's no Sky-train in ITT. Let Bardet go for the Giro, have the intrigue be the slaying of the dragon...or praying mantis if you will .

Wonderful Dumoulin, Roglic should think GTs now that he's established as a very strong ITT guy AND stage race rider (Spilak level, which is really good) IMO. Zakarin lost what he lost at Il Giro in a 30 km ITT. Different profile, same result. Wilco solid, Dumoulin-Light (cheers ). Moscon...I don't care.

I doubt there would be little between Froome and Dumoulin in ITT's during course of a three week GT - what Dumoulin took out of the main contenders at the end of the Giro is no different to what Froome routinely takes out of them in the TDF and Vuelta. However, in the high mountains, i can see Froome and his Sky team taking minutes out of Dumoulin over the course of three weeks.

 

[Tonton]

Take Zakarin as the landmark...

If Froome really gets weaker week 3, a Bergerac-like stage 20 is the end for him. Zakarin at Il Giro and Vuelta. Hint.