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2018 Giro d'Italia - STAGE 10: Penne – Gualdo Tadino 239 km

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Waterloo Sunrise

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Broccolidwarf said:
Waterloo Sunrise said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Waterloo Sunrise said:
Utterly breathtaking views

QS have now given it up, Chaves riding himself, game over.

MS need to now take the day off and rest up to support Yates - any more effort today is throwing good money after bad
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They guys in the second group has no way to support Yates anyway, so they may as well keep riding.

Stuff can still happen, someone can crash in the front group and change the dynamics :)
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Are you trolling?

The Giro doesn't finish today. Every effort stays with you for the rest of the race. It's time to rest up as they have lots of pulling to do in the next 2 weeks, and there is absolutely nothing to gain today.
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Trolling?

That seems like an odd, borderline aggressive way to reply....... like you are emotional and upset?

What is to gain today, is not yet set in stone, and keeping Chavez in contention is important to the team.

Losing 3-4 minutes overall is still workable, because he will still be a threat to many contenders, 10 minutes is not.

A GC contender basically giving up his race, with 100K to go on stage 11, will not happen (if the is healthy)..... stuff can always happen, people can crash.... heck, even Yates can crash, today or another day.

Also, none of the heavy guys are much use tomorrow, with 3 GPMs, so they might as well spend the energy today, and then "rest" in the gruppetto tomorrow.
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I asked if you were trolling as you said none of them could help Yates, which was a point so enormously erroneous, and deliberately missing the actual point of the discussion, that I didn't think a cycling fan would make it in good faith.

Now you're saying Kreuziger & Jul Jenson are no use on tomorrow's stage? If they keep riding all day today, you'll be right, but if the team engages it's brain and accepts reality, they will be a lot of use tomorrow.
 
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Zinoviev Letter

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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Red Rick said:
Yates now has 2 teammates in a group that can't be controlled with 2 riders.

I'd really put in attacks in the final 30km if I were the other GC riders.
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There'll be someone with a reasonable sprint in the group so likely to be a team or 2 with an interest in this staying together now

And tomorrow is a hard day again.

Meanwhile, 4 minutes.
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Presumably Sam Bennett made it into the lead group as Bora worked for a while. If that’s so, Yates has de facto assistance.
 
Broccolidwarf

Broccolidwarf

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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Waterloo Sunrise said:
Broccolidwarf said:
Waterloo Sunrise said:
Utterly breathtaking views

QS have now given it up, Chaves riding himself, game over.

MS need to now take the day off and rest up to support Yates - any more effort today is throwing good money after bad
Click to expand...

They guys in the second group has no way to support Yates anyway, so they may as well keep riding.

Stuff can still happen, someone can crash in the front group and change the dynamics :)
Click to expand...


Are you trolling?

The Giro doesn't finish today. Every effort stays with you for the rest of the race. It's time to rest up as they have lots of pulling to do in the next 2 weeks, and there is absolutely nothing to gain today.
Click to expand...

Trolling?

That seems like an odd, borderline aggressive way to reply....... like you are emotional and upset?

What is to gain today, is not yet set in stone, and keeping Chavez in contention is important to the team.

Losing 3-4 minutes overall is still workable, because he will still be a threat to many contenders, 10 minutes is not.

A GC contender basically giving up his race, with 100K to go on stage 11, will not happen (if the is healthy)..... stuff can always happen, people can crash.... heck, even Yates can crash, today or another day.

Also, none of the heavy guys are much use tomorrow, with 3 GPMs, so they might as well spend the energy today, and then "rest" in the gruppetto tomorrow.
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I asked if you were trolling as you said none of them could help Yates, which was a point so enormously erroneous, and deliberately missing the actual point of the discussion, that I didn't think a cycling fan would make it in good faith.

Now you're saying Kreuziger & Jul Jenson are no use on tomorrow's stage? If they keep riding all day today, you'll be right, but if the team engages it's brain and accepts reality, they will be a lot of use tomorrow.
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No, I wrote "the heavy guys", which obviously does not include Kreuziger.

Dude, you seem to be spoiling for a fight, and I'm not into that, so you have yourself a nice day now :cool:
 
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Salvarani said:
A few of the favorites could try and go on the attack later with a few teammates. If Yates miss it. He only got 2 riders to help him.
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The favourites who don't get in will chase it down though. Not going to get everyone bar Yates in it
 
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Merckx index

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I find this painful to watch. If Chaves had a really bad day on Zonc, he wouldn't lose this much time. Falling behind early in the stage is good news, bad news. The good news is you have the whole stage to catch up. The bad news is that if you don't catch up fairly soon, you lose massive amounts of time. Textbook example of how a GT can be lost on a single not-that-difficult stage.

And this really is bad news for Yates. Now when Chaves goes up the road, nobody will care, he's no threat. As one of the posters said, 3-4 minutes behind, and Chaves would still be on a fairly short leash. But after what it looks as though he'll lose today, there will be no leash at all.
 
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Eshnar said:
The Chicken said:
Salvarani said:
A few of the favorites could try and go on the attack later with a few teammates. If Yates miss it. He only got 2 riders to help him.
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Yates is strong enough to cover a thousand moves on his own.
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As was Kruijswijk in 2016. Too bad there might be some situations where one really needs help...
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Yeah, a mechanical now and both MS gc contenders lost the giro on one day.
 
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ontheroad

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I think the peleton will be happy to see Frapporti hang out there until halfway up the last climb. It will provide them with a bit of respit in what has been a brutally attritional day. Will take a real strongman to win this stage as I expect that there will be attacks on the last climb in a bid for stage glory.
 
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RedheadDane

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Merckx index said:
I find this painful to watch. If Chaves had a really bad day on Zonc, he wouldn't lose this much time. Falling behind early in the stage is good news, bad news. The good news is you have the whole stage to catch up. The bad news is that if you don't catch up fairly soon, you lose massive amounts of time. Textbook example of how a GT can be lost on a single not-that-difficult stage.
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Could you say that the good news is that you have the whole stage to catch up, while the bad news is that you have the whole stage to lose time?
 
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