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Ripper said:
The Hegelian said:
I don't regard Alaphilippe's tt as alien. A bit eyebrow raising, maybe. But the parcours really suited him, and a lot of the climbers did well.

But the team per se has been ridiculous since 2017, especially through the classics. Real 00's stuff. Actually it's kind of nice to see it in the tour, because it's putting a spanner in the works of the usual suspects.

As for Lotto-Jumbo: their level of domination is very suss. Like Quickstep, they have an illustrious history too.
It's all the ketone drinks!!!!!
It's funny because on here we know it's not only about ketones but in the media it was those 2 teams QS and Lotto being linked to ketones.
 
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scapewalker said:
Ripper said:
The Hegelian said:
I don't regard Alaphilippe's tt as alien. A bit eyebrow raising, maybe. But the parcours really suited him, and a lot of the climbers did well.

But the team per se has been ridiculous since 2017, especially through the classics. Real 00's stuff. Actually it's kind of nice to see it in the tour, because it's putting a spanner in the works of the usual suspects.

As for Lotto-Jumbo: their level of domination is very suss. Like Quickstep, they have an illustrious history too.
It's all the ketone drinks!!!!!
It's funny because on here we know it's not only about ketones but in the media it was those 2 teams QS and Lotto being linked to ketones.
Oh the ketone thing cracks me up. Sky were being focused on about that last year.

All this said, it would be hilarious if all the teams were doing (more or less) the same stuff and the use of ketones was the only difference over the past few years, and now that it's being used by pretty much any team that can afford it and want to, the playing field suddenly is levelling up.
 
Jul 29, 2016
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Ripper said:
scapewalker said:
Ripper said:
The Hegelian said:
I don't regard Alaphilippe's tt as alien. A bit eyebrow raising, maybe. But the parcours really suited him, and a lot of the climbers did well.

But the team per se has been ridiculous since 2017, especially through the classics. Real 00's stuff. Actually it's kind of nice to see it in the tour, because it's putting a spanner in the works of the usual suspects.

As for Lotto-Jumbo: their level of domination is very suss. Like Quickstep, they have an illustrious history too.
It's all the ketone drinks!!!!!
It's funny because on here we know it's not only about ketones but in the media it was those 2 teams QS and Lotto being linked to ketones.
Oh the ketone thing cracks me up. Sky were being focused on about that last year.

All this said, it would be hilarious if all the teams were doing (more or less) the same stuff and the use of ketones was the only difference over the past few years, and now that it's being used by pretty much any team that can afford it and want to, the playing field suddenly is levelling up.
This is definitely not about ketones. E.g. Jumbo - Visma improved a lot and most probably it is connected with the fact that they are more skinny than they were. Most probably T3 and T4 which are even not prohibited and usage by the team was discussed. The other part of the game would be aicar (as already mentioned in respect of TdF) and cardarine.

E.g. the advantage would be knowledge how to properly use the substances (e.g. EPO in past).
 
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Very odd this year with all the young riders winning so much.
I have been following professional cycling more this year than I have since the early years of Lance's TDF streak. Ask yourself this: If cycling was being cleaned up, behind closed doors, what would it look like? To me, it would look like this year. It's late and I need to go to bed, so I won't get into the details...the one problem I have is the Tour of Poland reflector incident. That makes me feel like nothing has changed.
 
I have been following professional cycling more this year than I have since the early years of Lance's TDF streak. Ask yourself this: If cycling was being cleaned up, behind closed doors, what would it look like? To me, it would look like this year. It's late and I need to go to bed, so I won't get into the details...the one problem I have is the Tour of Poland reflector incident. That makes me feel like nothing has changed.
I’m not sure about Aliens, but this is definetely a contender for strangest post of the year o_O
 
Very odd this year with all the young riders winning so much.
Alternative 1: It looks pretty much as if cycling became cleaner years ago and suddenly CYNTs (Clean Young New Talent) like Delions or Bassons of this world started to kick ass of the established GODDs (Good Old Dirty Doper).

Alternative 2. The usual Clinician's standard: Hellyeah, we've seen it so many times that it's not even funny... so many New Heroes, randomly starting with certain post-Festina time uniballer superman whose name cannot be even whispered, random Floyds, Rasmussens, Riccos, Piepolis, or magic austrians here and there, then all those Contadors and Schlecks... (and don't get me wrong, most of them were obviously talented and would most likely shine even in cleaner era - i.e.no donkey-to-racehorse material like Chiappas or 60% Bjarnes of the Dirty Dark Age of cycling... or marginal BadzillaMan)
 
ridiculous. Even the commentators here referred to the Red Bull commercial and added "maybe something else is involved". Time is good enough for 11th in the men u23 ITT. Last year Vleutens winning time was good enough for 37th in the men u23 ITT. 'Nuff said.
 
Certainly a droidish win. Sometimes I wonder about the depth in women's cycling plus the Dutch had a very strong team. The one two was predictable a long way from the finish.
Memories of Genvieve Jeanson, for sure. She won races by more than twenty minutes riding solo.
I haven't seen the race and don't even know how many teammates she had; but I have no doubt most of whom could have won it themselves. No doubt she had many teammates who demoralized others to the point of clinical depression by immediately shutting down any attempts to organize a chase.
But yeah, 100 km solo for the win.
Wow.
 
Exactly. That definitely played a role today. A 3k climb with more than 100 km to go would never have such an impact in a mans race, like it was the case today. Just saying that talent is a bit more equally spread in the mens peloton.
For all the criticism of this, though, one of the problems is that there's so much depth in the Dutch squad that they could have submitted a team of "people that didn't make the squad" that would have been competitive - van Dijk, Wiebes, Wild, Riejanne Markus, Ensing, Rooijakkers, Stultiens, Koster - they could still have had a competitive team. And that the two strongest women in professional cycling right now are both Dutch. There are also a few top level riders who are always more or less alone when it comes to these big championship races, like Moolman-Pasio and Majerus, and I know you can argue "but Sagan is no different" in the men's races, but there isn't the same extent of difference between the haves and have nots in the men's péloton and Sagan can usually hop the train of one or other nation that isn't represented in a move and won't be expected to do so much pulling the work back on their own as we saw today where much of the péloton were happy for a long time to let the Poles try to pull back the move on their own because Niewiadoma was the highest profile rider to miss the move. The climbs weren't long enough to bring the likes of Hall or the Spanish riders into play, and a number of the riders who fell into the Sagan/Matthews mould who we thought the race best suited - Vos, Rivera, Brennauer, and so on - were never a factor because the péloton wasn't focused for a while and all of their teams had representation in the chase group. As we saw at the end, the péloton swallowed up the likes of Deignan and Cille, so they could well have got closer had there been more impetus in it, but really it was only very late on that the Germans committed to the chase after it seemed Koppenburg was the weakest of those up front, the Dutch did a spoiling job because of having their two big guns up front, and the chase group was very disunited.

For a long time they pegged Annemiek's lead, but you had a few problems for them that stopped it from getting across that gap.

Firstly, the isolated riders in the group would have looked to the Italians to do more of the work, as the Italians had the numbers advantage. However, Longo Borghini would need to win solo as she was the weakest sprinter of the group, and Paladin, great season though she's having, is hard to back in a H2H sprint against, say, Deignan. Plus, as we later found out, Soraya wasn't on a particularly good day either. So the Italians didn't really commit 100% to the chase. With the additional factor that if they DID, they would find it harder to respond to an Anna van der Breggen attack later.

Secondly, because the gap was generated so far from the finish, there were plenty of riders there who did not back themselves if they emptied the tank 100-70km from home, and were therefore not pulling 100% when they rolled through, in the hope that several riders pulling at 70% would pull back Annemiek going at 100%.

Thirdly, because Lizzie Deignan and, to a lesser extent Chloe Dygert, mostly Lizzie, showed themselves to be so strong when they were trying to push the group into pulling Annemiek back that it probably intimidated a lot of the riders in the group, that they would not want to go full gas until they had sufficiently tired Deignan out. When it turned out that, actually, Deignan wasn't quite as strong as she initially seemed, it was too late - the gap had been allowed to grow to an insurmountable size before Lizzie was finally left behind. I think there was a bit of - understandable - fear of Chloe Dygert as well - for a couple of reasons. Firstly that she had looked so strong early on, and secondly the fear of the unknown, as her being at the front end of a major race like this in Europe is a bit of a novelty. Her TT performance would have made people wary to an extent that they might not have been had they known that actually, 130km or so seemed to be about her threshold as she hit a wall then.
 
Not sure if this is alien or just how very poor the talent level is in general in the women's peloton. On the other hand, it is a great example of why women's racing isn't close to as popular as men's. The depth of talent just isn't there.
 
when everybody thought Chloe Dygert's performance was too E.T. , AvV had to out do that with a jaw dropping 100k breakaway solo win ............... that performance puts to shame Froome's Finestre in Il Giro :joycat:

I mean........... putting her performance in content: AvV literally didn't need her team at all o_O - No pacers, no teammates to force the race, no teamwork to scramble/rattle the race - just brutal, raw, insane power to take off and never look back o_O she could have raced the race by herself and yet get to drop the peloton at will and ease......
 

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