2019 Tour de France, stage 10: Saint-Flour > Albi 217,5 km

[ppanther92]

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Quintana in a good position to snatch a podium in Paris.

He looks like the only hope to beat Ineos atm. Even though he will be over 2 minutes, at least, behind after the ITT.

Manny Buchmann disagrees.

Why should Buchmann suddenly be a contender for the win in the TdF, when he never finished a GT inside the top10 before, despite being the leader (even the Vuelta last year, which was his all-season goal)?

 

[RedheadDane]

Offredo and Zabel finished over 21 minutes behind.

 

[Danskebjerge]

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So the two GC guys who have attacked in this Tour - Pinot and Landa - are the losers.

Maybe we should include Uran/EF Education and Fuglsang/Astana. Both teams have tried to put pressure on the peloton, but not as effectively as Ineos today. (Thomas crashed the other day, and still managed to get back to the peloton which was led by Astana.)

 

[Salvarani]

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Offredo and Zabel finished over 21 minutes behind.

Pretty good

 

[HelloDolly]

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Landa landed in his favorite scenario. Attack, attack, attack while being second fiddle to somebody in his team.

Its almost like he conspires to make it happen

Now he can come in 5th and say if only again
#freeLanda

 

[HelloDolly]

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LOL at Rowe telling Valverde to do one as he was trying to slow the front group because Landa was caught behind. Gutted for Pinot and Porte but you can't just switch off during this race. Hope NQ can play with the INEOS lot now.

Waht he actually said to Valverde was 'not to balls it up for the rest of us"

 

[WKA311]

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Offredo and Zabel finished over 21 minutes behind.

Zabels got fever I think.

 

[HelloDolly]

Well my Kruijswijk bet is still safe

Dan Martin on the breakaway seemed ot think Thomas will take time on IT and then Ineos will try to close the race down
But he did say that he thiks alot of guys on GC will attack alot now .

 

[RedheadDane]

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Offredo and Zabel finished over 21 minutes behind.

Zabels got fever I think.

And Offredo has been sick for days. He was throwing up early on stage 8.

 

[Midnightfright]

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Well my Kruijswijk bet is still safe

Dan Martin on the breakaway seemed ot think Thomas will take time on IT and then Ineos will try to close the race down
But he did say that he thiks alot of guys on GC will attack alot now .

I think Thomas taking time in the TT is all but a given. He can problem count on 30 secs minimum on all the other GC guys

 

[Laplaz]

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Quintana in a good position to snatch a podium in Paris.

He looks like the only hope to beat Ineos atm. Even though he will be over 2 minutes, at least, behind after the ITT.

Manny Buchmann disagrees.

Why should Buchmann suddenly be a contender for the win in the TdF, when he never finished a GT inside the top10 before, despite being the leader (even the Vuelta last year, which was his all-season goal)?

So just like Bernal? (although Bernal was never a leader in a GT, I agree)
But Buchmann clearly stepped up this year, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the Top 5 at the end.

 

[Simurgh]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Quintana in a good position to snatch a podium in Paris.

He looks like the only hope to beat Ineos atm. Even though he will be over 2 minutes, at least, behind after the ITT.

Manny Buchmann disagrees.

Why should Buchmann suddenly be a contender for the win in the TdF, when he never finished a GT inside the top10 before, despite being the leader (even the Vuelta last year, which was his all-season goal)?

Neither has Bernal

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

Well if you think the GC is set in stone, cya next year

 

[Simurgh]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

Well if you think the GC is set in stone, cya next year

Well, I have seen every Tour since 2010, so as you can guess, I have learnt to somewhat appreciate the fight for minor placings - its just disappointment that we could have had genuine uncertainty about the victory for the first time since..2011? (No one really believed that Bardet could overtake Froome in 2017, right? Uran certainly wouldn't hahaha :lol: )

btw, I just learned that a forum post can only contain five smilies at most, so I had to remove one of from the quotes..funny rule they got!)

 

[mavmav]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

So what did Pinot, Porte and Uran and Fuglsang ever do in a GT that Kruijswijk didn’t? None of those 4 ever challenged for a win or challenged SKY. If kruiswijk isn’t a credible challenger (which is a defendable position) those 4 aren’t either.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Wasn't it Barguil who also crashed into Thomas on Col de Manse a few years back?

Poor Landa. He had no chance there...

 

[tobydawq]

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Wasn't it Barguil who also crashed into Thomas on Col de Manse a few years back?

Poor Landa. He had no chance there...

Yes.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

So what did Pinot, Porte and Uran and Fuglsang ever do in a GT that Kruijswijk didn’t? None of those 4 ever challenged for a win or challenged SKY. If kruiswijk isn’t a credible challenger (which is a defendable position) those 4 aren’t either.

Is Kruijswijk a consistent GT rider? Yes. Could he win the Tour if INEOS have no bad luck? No.

The answers to those questions are different if you take the three aforementioned riders, because their top level is simply higher than Kruijswijk's.

Therefore, it is fair to say that Kruijswijk is not as credible of a challenger as the other three riders, even if he's the safer bet for a top 5-7.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

Well if you think the GC is set in stone, cya next year

Well, I have seen every Tour since 2010, so as you can guess, I have learnt to somewhat appreciate the fight for minor placings - its just disappointment that we could have had genuine uncertainty about the victory for the first time since..2011? (No one really believed that Bardet could overtake Froome in 2017, right? Uran certainly wouldn't hahaha :lol: )

btw, I just learned that a forum post can only contain five smilies at most, so I had to remove one of from the quotes..funny rule they got!)

2010?

Wow

..... for me it's since 1983

 

[This Charming Man]

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Weird you all want to declare the GC over, despite the peloton only having ridden 1 proper mountain stage - bunch of drama queens in here

Not even a proper mountain stage and Thomas still won ahead of everybody else It's just a repeat of the last 7 years bar 2014 (which in essence was the same but with Kazakh blue colors). And this year with Froome out and Thomas not looking great and crashing in the spring; it was the first time since 2014 that SKY/INEOS looked like they could be dethroned. The race is not over, no. Crashes, mechanicals, some might get caught in one way or the other, off-day and so on. I bet though, that the race is a lot closer to be considered over than a few hours ago. Thomas will gain around 1 minute on everyone else on the ITT, and so will have a buffer of 2-3 minutes his closest pretend..competitors. I understand the fact that there are a whole lot of stages to go and a whole lot of stuff can happen, but looking back the last 7 years, history shows that except the occasional off day (Froome 2017 at Peyragudes, cross winds 2013, Alpe d'Huez 2015 e.g.), INEOS/SKY only loses time to those they want to lose time to.


By the way, please don't mention Kruijswijk and Buchmann as (what I presume) credible challengers to INEOS. They aren't. Podium contenders definitely! But challengers for the win, no way. Even though I'd love for them to prove me wrong! (imo jury's still out on Bernal and a podium, will see how well he fares on the time trial before judging).

THOMAS>BERNAL>FULGESANG>MAAS>QUINTANA...

 

[saunaking]

Is the Jumbo DS who had to pee at the Giro the same guy who picks the water carriers?

 

[This Charming Man]

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Quintana in a good position to snatch a podium in Paris.

He looks like the only hope to beat Ineos atm. Even though he will be over 2 minutes, at least, behind after the ITT.

Manny Buchmann disagrees.

Why should Buchmann suddenly be a contender for the win in the TdF, when he never finished a GT inside the top10 before, despite being the leader (even the Vuelta last year, which was his all-season goal)?

Gotta love Thomas, trakie to classics specialist to GC champ....Love the guy saw his interview on NBC Sports today, he looks like my hero. Morrisey

Neither has Bernal

 

[wheresmybrakes]

One stage!! That's all it's took for INEOS to turn the depression switch on most of the posters on this forum. Can imagine what it's gonna be like after the ITT.

 

[Anderis]

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So what did Pinot, Porte and Uran and Fuglsang ever do in a GT that Kruijswijk didn’t? None of those 4 ever challenged for a win

Apparently a rider who was 2nd in GTs 3 times never challenged for a win?

Maybe he never threatened Nibali for the 2013 Giro, but 2014 Giro he could have won if not that Stelvio descent and 2017 Tour he lost by less than a minute.