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2020-22 Emerging Riders CQ Game

Page 3 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Year 3 Month 6 30 May to 3 July

Not for the first time, the cohort a year behind these guys have scored far better. And participation in the Tour de France is going to have far less impact here than it has on year three of previous iterations of the game.

RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
210​
7​
Nat RR win/Occitanie 2nd
MEEUS Jordi
117​
1​
2nd in Dauphine stage and in Nat RR
VAN POUCKE Aaron
110​
1​
3rd in ZLM tour
WEEMAES Sasha
101​
4​
4th in both Elfstedenronde and Nat RR
WILLIAMS Stephen
95​
2​
RIES Michel
78​
4​
ZIMMERMANN Georg
72​
13​
JORGENSON Matteo
72​
5​
SIMMONS Quinn
70​
26​

The game's leader tops the table for this month, by no small margin, but just look at how much better the team that none of us selected is than any real team.
1JonEzeitza
648​
Rodriguez/Ries/Zimmermann/Simmons
2SafeBet
548​
Rodriguez/Jorgenson/Simmons
3Cordi
520​
Rodriguez/Simmons
4Northerner
475​
5Blues_in_the_Bottle
466​
6Josedin
452​
7Squire
449​
8Skidmark
424​
9Ludwigzgz
417​
9Otoxiep87
417​
11Laarsland
412​
12AlyKaptan
407​
13Del_1962
397​
14Vladimir
389​
15hfgon1
367​
16Fivezzz
360​
17Armchair_Cyclist
345​
18Joelsim
332​
19RoteLaterne
321​
20AmisVelo
304​
21Madrazo
293​
22LosBrolin
290​
23LukasCPH
287​
24Nicosix
282​
25Scrooll07
263​
26Koronin
238​
27Ray10
229​
28Kazistuta
218​
29Karaev
203​
30Leadbelly
191​
31Archieboy
188​
32MuddyWaters
186​
33Comodoro
184​
CollectiveWisdom
330​
CollectiveIgnorance
1884​
Zana/Kooij/De Lie/Schmidt

Standings
The beginning of something decisive?
1​
JonEzeitza8985
0​
2​
Squire8691
0​
3​
AmisVelo8516
0​
4​
Cordi8406
0​
5​
Northerner8320
0​
6​
Skidmark8257
0​
7​
Fivezzz8070
0​
8​
Madrazo7983
0​
9​
SafeBet7819
0​
10​
Joelsim7525
1​
11​
RoteLaterne7490
1​
12​
Karaev7445
-2​
13​
Kazistuta7317
0​
14​
Nicosix7303
0​
15​
Armchair_Cyclist7253
0​
16​
Laarsland7210
0​
17​
Del_19627171
0​
18​
Vladimir6989
2​
19​
MuddyWaters6939
-1​
20​
LosBrolin6907
-1​
21​
LukasCPH6845
0​
22​
Blues_in_the_Bottle6786
1​
23​
Ludwigzgz6768
-1​
24​
AlyKaptan6329
0​
25​
hfgon16214
1​
26​
Otoxiep876196
1​
27​
Comodoro6081
-2​
28​
Josedin5953
3​
29​
Ray105945
-1​
30​
Scrooll075902
0​
31​
Archieboy5853
-2​
32​
Koronin3986
0​
33​
Leadbelly1752
0​
CollectiveWisdom8029
CollectiveIgnorance12217
 
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Year 3, Month 7 (and a bit of 8) 4th July to 7th August
Yes, it's more than a week since the other editions were updated, and this data is now more than a week old (so excludes Tour de l'Ain, Portugal, Arctic, Polynormande inter alia), but here it is, off my to do list before La Vuelta.

In previous editions this Y3 M7 update has seen multiple Tour stage wins and high, even winning, GC places. Not so much this time around.


ARENSMAN Thymen
200​
13​
Stage win and GC 2nd in Poland
PIDCOCK Thomas
194​
21​
Stage win and 17th GC in TdF
ALEOTTI Giovanni
175​
10​
2 stage wins and GC win in Sibiu
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
172​
7​
5th in San Seb and 4th in Burgos
JORGENSON Matteo
132​
5​
3 top 5s and 21st overall in Tour de France
SOBRERO Matteo
125​
1​
4th in Poland
VANHOUCKE Harm
124​
1​
2nd in Sibiu/12th in Wallonie
PICCOLO Andrea
122​
2​
6th in Sibiu/7th Villafranca/2nd Getxo
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
91​
2​
WRIGHT Fred
77​
2​
VAN WILDER Ilan
73​
25​
LEEMREIZE Gijs
53​
1​

This period:
1Cordi
963​
Arensman/Pidcock/Rodriguez/Piccolo/van Wilder
2RoteLaterne
925​
Arensman/Pidcock/Aleotti/Piccolo
3JonEzeitza
914​
Pidcock/Aleotti/Rodriguez/Sobrero/van Wilder
4SafeBet
862​
Arensman/Pidcock/Rodriguez/Jorgenson/van Wilder
5Karaev
842​
Arensman/Pidcock/Aleotti/van Wilder
6Armchair_Cyclist
830​
Arensman/Pidcock/Jorgenson/Vanhoucke/van Wilder
7Madrazo
797​
8Northerner
726​
9Ludwigzgz
709​
10Joelsim
626​
11Squire
623​
12Del_1962
607​
13Fivezzz
572​
14Archieboy
563​
15Kazistuta
561​
16Otoxiep87
558​
17AmisVelo
557​
18Blues_in_the_Bottle
547​
19Josedin
530​
20hfgon1
519​
21Laarsland
481​
22AlyKaptan
473​
23Skidmark
472​
24LosBrolin
455​
25Vladimir
436​
26LukasCPH
406​
27Comodoro
405​
28Nicosix
390​
29MuddyWaters
356​
30Scrooll07
261​
31Koronin
194​
32Leadbelly
172​
33Ray10
109​
CollectiveWisdom
817​
CollectiveIgnorance
684​


Standings
Cordi, the highest scorer in this session, jumps two places to give a Spanish 1-2 as we run into La Vuelta. Jon Ezeitza was third in this batch of races, so looks increasingly unlikely to be beaten. However, Cordi and Search both have 70 EuroTT points from Bissegger over him, at least, so not over yet...

1​
JonEzeitza9899
0​
2​
Cordi9369
2​
3​
Squire9314
-1​
4​
AmisVelo9073
-1​
5​
Northerner9046
0​
6​
Madrazo8780
2​
7​
Skidmark8729
-1​
8​
SafeBet8681
1​
9​
Fivezzz8642
-2​
10​
RoteLaterne8415
1​
11​
Karaev8287
1​
12​
Joelsim8151
-2​
13​
Armchair_Cyclist8083
2​
14​
Kazistuta7878
-1​
15​
Del_19627778
2​
16​
Nicosix7693
-2​
17​
Laarsland7691
-1​
18​
Ludwigzgz7477
5​
19​
Vladimir7425
-1​
20​
LosBrolin7362
0​
21​
Blues_in_the_Bottle7333
1​
22​
MuddyWaters7295
-3​
23​
LukasCPH7251
-2​
24​
AlyKaptan6802
0​
25​
Otoxiep876754
1​
26​
hfgon16733
-1​
27​
Comodoro6486
0​
28​
Josedin6483
0​
29​
Archieboy6416
2​
30​
Scrooll076163
0​
31​
Ray106054
-2​
32​
Koronin4180
0​
33​
Leadbelly1924
0​
CollectiveWisdom8846
CollectiveIgnorance13076

As a measure of how poorly most of us are doing here, SafeBet's score over 19 months in the round that started in 2021 would hold 4th place in this game which has points accumulated over 31 months.

Maybe this bunch of riders, or those who selected them, can find redemption in the Vuelta (Rodgiguez, van Wilder, Arensman seem most likely to do something, there are a few other selected names on the startlist). Next update probably a week after that.
 
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Year 3, month 8-9a 8 Aug - 11 Sept
Yet again, this cohort have been outperformed by those thought too young to be of any benefit in this game. Juan Ayuso had just turned 17 when we were putting our teams together for this, and De Lie was also still too young to buy drinks in a pub, but if anyone had heard of them and had the foresight, they would be running away with this by now.

ARENSMAN Thymen
355​
13​
GC 6th with win and 2nd stages in Vuelta
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
231​
7​
7th in Vuelta GC
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
230​
6​
3rd Quebec/6th Bretagne/4th Doubs
WRIGHT Fred
183​
2​
1x2nd 2x3rd and 2x4th on Vuelta stages
PIDCOCK Thomas
144​
21​
2nd in Tour of Britain
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
142​
5​
6th Quebec/11th Montreal/16th Bretagne
BAGIOLI Andrea
139​
26​
ZIMMERMANN Georg
134​
13​
STRONG Corbin
130​
1​
VANSEVENANT Mauri
128​
19​
OLDANI Stefano
108​
5​
PICCOLO Andrea
103​
2​

1SafeBet
1404​
Arensman/Rodriguez/Girmay/Pidcock/Bagioli/Strong
2Cordi
1369​
Arensman/Rodriguez/Pidcock/Bagioli/Vansevenant/Piccolo
3RoteLaterne
1357​
Arensman/Pidcock/Bagioli/Zimmermann//Vansevenant/Piccolo
4Madrazo
1169​
Arensman/Pidcock/Bagioli/Zimmermann/Vansevenant
5Karaev
1154​
Arensman/Pidcock/Bagioli/Zimmermann/Vansevenant
6Armchair_Cyclist
1129​
7Kazistuta
1124​
8JonEzeitza
1119​
9AmisVelo
1014​
10Skidmark
993​
11Nicosix
984​
12Ludwigzgz
982​
13Blues_in_the_Bottle
927​
14Archieboy
906​
15Vladimir
903​
16hfgon1
887​
17Fivezzz
862​
18Northerner
832​
19LosBrolin
818​
20AlyKaptan
806​
21Scrooll07
772​
22Del_1962
768​
23Joelsim
742​
24Laarsland
736​
25Squire
732​
26Otoxiep87
727​
27LukasCPH
707​
28Comodoro
679​
29Josedin
616​
30MuddyWaters
610​
31Ray10
363​
32Koronin
245​
33Leadbelly
208​
CollectiveWisdom
1190​
CollectiveIgnorance
2342​

Standings
Going into the last lap, JonE didn't have a great month, but Honore, Zimmermann and Oldani limit the losses that he suffers to Cordi. The gap is approximately halved, so another session with a similar gaps between those teams would make it very close.
Third place is closely contested though.
1​
JonEzeitza11018
0​
2​
Cordi10738
0​
3​
AmisVelo10087
1​
4​
SafeBet10085
4​
5​
Squire10046
-2​
6​
Madrazo9949
0​
7​
Northerner9878
-2​
8​
RoteLaterne9772
2​
9​
Skidmark9722
-2​
10​
Fivezzz9504
-1​
11​
Karaev9441
0​
12​
Armchair_Cyclist9212
1​
13​
Kazistuta9002
1​
14​
Joelsim8893
-2​
15​
Nicosix8677
1​
16​
Del_19628546
-1​
17​
Ludwigzgz8459
1​
18​
Laarsland8427
-1​
19​
Vladimir8328
0​
20​
Blues_in_the_Bottle8260
1​
21​
LosBrolin8180
-1​
22​
LukasCPH7958
1​
23​
MuddyWaters7905
-1​
24​
hfgon17620
2​
25​
AlyKaptan7608
-1​
26​
Otoxiep877481
-1​
27​
Archieboy7322
2​
28​
Comodoro7165
-1​
29​
Josedin7099
-1​
30​
Scrooll076935
0​
31​
Ray106417
0​
32​
Koronin4425
0​
33​
Leadbelly2132
0​
CollectiveWisdom10036
CollectiveIgnorance15276

It's hard to imagine point scoring after 16th October, so there will be an update soon after that, with a final confirmation at the end of the year. But it is almost time to start your shortlists for 2023-25, and to try to make the Collective Ignorance team of that edition less of an indictment upon us all than it has been here.

All the names and numbers, lest you want to condusct your own inqiry into how it has gone right/wrong for you.
 
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Year 3, month 8-9a 8 Aug - 11 Sept
Yet again, this cohort have been outperformed by those thought too young to be of any benefit in this game. Juan Ayuso had just turned 17 when we were putting our teams together for this, and De Lie was also still too young to buy drinks in a pub, but if anyone had heard of them and had the foresight, they would be running away with this by now.

ARENSMAN Thymen
355​
13​
GC 6th with win and 2nd stages in Vuelta
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
231​
7​
7th in Vuelta GC
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
230​
6​
3rd Quebec/6th Bretagne/4th Doubs
WRIGHT Fred
183​
2​
1x2nd 2x3rd and 2x4th on Vuelta stages
PIDCOCK Thomas
144​
21​
2nd in Tour of Britain
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
142​
5​
6th Quebec/11th Montreal/16th Bretagne
BAGIOLI Andrea
139​
26​
ZIMMERMANN Georg
134​
13​
STRONG Corbin
130​
1​
VANSEVENANT Mauri
128​
19​
OLDANI Stefano
108​
5​
PICCOLO Andrea
103​
2​

1SafeBet
1404​
Arensman/Rodriguez/Girmay/Pidcock/Bagioli/Strong
2Cordi
1369​
Arensman/Rodriguez/Pidcock/Bagioli/Vansevenant/Piccolo
3RoteLaterne
1357​
Arensman/Pidcock/Bagioli/Zimmermann//Vansevenant/Piccolo
4Madrazo
1169​
Arensman/Pidcock/Bagioli/Zimmermann/Vansevenant
5Karaev
1154​
Arensman/Pidcock/Bagioli/Zimmermann/Vansevenant
6Armchair_Cyclist
1129​
7Kazistuta
1124​
8JonEzeitza
1119​
9AmisVelo
1014​
10Skidmark
993​
11Nicosix
984​
12Ludwigzgz
982​
13Blues_in_the_Bottle
927​
14Archieboy
906​
15Vladimir
903​
16hfgon1
887​
17Fivezzz
862​
18Northerner
832​
19LosBrolin
818​
20AlyKaptan
806​
21Scrooll07
772​
22Del_1962
768​
23Joelsim
742​
24Laarsland
736​
25Squire
732​
26Otoxiep87
727​
27LukasCPH
707​
28Comodoro
679​
29Josedin
616​
30MuddyWaters
610​
31Ray10
363​
32Koronin
245​
33Leadbelly
208​
CollectiveWisdom
1190​
CollectiveIgnorance
2342​

Standings
Going into the last lap, JonE didn't have a great month, but Honore, Zimmermann and Oldani limit the losses that he suffers to Cordi. The gap is approximately halved, so another session with a similar gaps between those teams would make it very close.
Third place is closely contested though.
1​
JonEzeitza11018
0​
2​
Cordi10738
0​
3​
AmisVelo10087
1​
4​
SafeBet10085
4​
5​
Squire10046
-2​
6​
Madrazo9949
0​
7​
Northerner9878
-2​
8​
RoteLaterne9772
2​
9​
Skidmark9722
-2​
10​
Fivezzz9504
-1​
11​
Karaev9441
0​
12​
Armchair_Cyclist9212
1​
13​
Kazistuta9002
1​
14​
Joelsim8893
-2​
15​
Nicosix8677
1​
16​
Del_19628546
-1​
17​
Ludwigzgz8459
1​
18​
Laarsland8427
-1​
19​
Vladimir8328
0​
20​
Blues_in_the_Bottle8260
1​
21​
LosBrolin8180
-1​
22​
LukasCPH7958
1​
23​
MuddyWaters7905
-1​
24​
hfgon17620
2​
25​
AlyKaptan7608
-1​
26​
Otoxiep877481
-1​
27​
Archieboy7322
2​
28​
Comodoro7165
-1​
29​
Josedin7099
-1​
30​
Scrooll076935
0​
31​
Ray106417
0​
32​
Koronin4425
0​
33​
Leadbelly2132
0​
CollectiveWisdom10036
CollectiveIgnorance15276

It's hard to imagine point scoring after 16th October, so there will be an update soon after that, with a final confirmation at the end of the year. But it is almost time to start your shortlists for 2023-25, and to try to make the Collective Ignorance team of that edition less of an indictment upon us all than it has been here.

All the names and numbers, lest you want to condusct your own inqiry into how it has gone right/wrong for you.
Well done to those in the lead. And what ever happened to Koronin?
 
Since the last update (unofficial)
For Jon Ezeitza
Sobrero 28 (WC ITT) + 37 (WC TTT)
Honore (WC TTT) 20
Oldani 9 (Wallonie)
Ries 5 (Luxembourg)
Total 99

For Cordi
Bisegger 96 (WC ITT) + 62 (WC TTT)
Vansevenant 90 (Slovakia)
Piccolo 24 (Coppa Sabatini)
Rubio 36 (Giro Toscana) + 5 (Coppa Sabatini)
Total 313

So JonE's lead has (if accurate) dropped from 280 to 66 points

Future rides (per PCS a few days ago, may have been updated since)
JonE:
WC RR: Honore, Zimmermann, Sobrero
Lombardia: Aleotti, Oldani, Zimmermann, Sobrero

Cordi
WC RR: Bisegger
Lombardia: Arensman, Brenner, Donovan, Rubio, Tiberi, Vansevenant
Paris Tours: Piccolo
Emilia: Vansevenant
Bernocchi: Vansevenant


Close...
 
Rather to my surprise, CQ have issued a download of the scores as of yesterday. That's normal, but as the season ends tomorrow as far as all top level teams (that are not yet on holidays) are concerned, I thought they might wait and release the update then.
That means we are probably a week away from the provisional scores of the season for all three Emerging riders games.

As far as this edition is concerned, tomorrow in Malaysia will almost certainly see the final points scored, but the race has become so tight that what happens there will determine the outcome of three years of competition.
I won't let on yet, but the two protagonists in the game know just what is happening, even if one rider who is about as far from home as is possible while still on the planet is unaware of the significance of his staying upright and mobile for 2 1/2 hours tomorrow.

I will keep an eye out in case CQ does do a post-Langkawi end of season update beforehand, but it looks like the final revelation will have to wait until next Monday...
 
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Year 3, Month 9b-10 12 Sept to 23 October (except last pro race was 17th)

And because that last pro race has now finished, that should be it for this edition of the game (unless there are some selections who have not held a place in the pro-ranks and are in .2 races outside Europe, but any should be fairly insignificant).

And an eventful last month and a bit it has been, as those who have dipped into the thread will know, especially if they have taken the detour to Parlamiento Ciclismo, where we have seen a very civil Spanish war.

But, as ever, the first focus is on the riders, finishing the third season of their emergence thus:

NamePts this sesionTeamssource
MEEUS Jordi
231​
1(Joelsim)​
Primus Classic win/Paris Bourges 5th
PICCOLO Andrea
217​
2 (Cordi & Rote Laterne)​
Japan Cup 2nd/Lombardia 11th/Agostini 3rd
STRONG Corbin
190​
1(SafeBet)​
Bernocchi 2nd/Wallonie 5th/Piemonte 7th
BISSEGGER Stefan
182​
19​
WC ITT 5th/WC TTT 1st/Chrono des Nations 7th
OLDANI Stefano
128​
5​
Bernocchi 3rd/Veneto Classic 4th
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
127​
7​
Lombardia 5th
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
126​
20​
Langkawi 5th/G della Toscana 4th
THIJSSEN Gerben
120​
3​
Gooikse Pijl win/Kamp. van Vlaanderen 7th
VANSEVENANT Mauri
114​
19​
Slovakia 2nd/Lombardia 20th
SOBRERO Matteo
105​
1( Jon Ezeitza)​
WC ITT 13th/WC TTT 2nd/Chrono des Nations 3rd

Those, plus the lesser scores that other riders achieved, benefitted our teams as follows:
Rank this monthPts this sessionMain riders
1Cordi
884​
Piccolo/Bissegger/Rodriguez/Rubio/Vansevenant
2RoteLaterne
847​
Piccolo/Bissegger/Rubio/Vansevenant
3Joelsim
796​
Meeus/Bissegger/Rubio/Vansevenant
4Squire
687​
Bissegger/Rubio/Thijssen/Vansevenant
5SafeBet
686​
Strong/Rodriguez/Rubio
6AmisVelo
601​
Oldani/Rubio/Vansevenant
7Kazistuta
580​
8hfgon1
575​
9Karaev
565​
10JonEzeitza
556​
Oldani/Rodriguez/Sobrero
11LosBrolin
555​
12Northerner
552​
13Fivezzz
546​
14Archieboy
542​
15Comodoro
540​
16Madrazo
530​
16Ray10
530​
18Skidmark
517​
19Armchair_Cyclist
499​
19MuddyWaters
499​
21Josedin
481​
22Laarsland
468​
23Nicosix
466​
24Del_1962
402​
25LukasCPH
397​
26Ludwigzgz
391​
27Vladimir
390​
28Scrooll07
387​
29Blues_in_the_Bottle
312​
30AlyKaptan
276​
31Koronin
207​
32Otoxiep87
193​
33Leadbelly
137​
CollectiveWisdom
535​
CollectiveIgnorance
1373​
Skjelmose/Mozzato/Kooij/De Lie/Zingle


Presumed final standings
Jon Ezeitza moved into top position in August last year, when Cordi was 12th: Jon was temporarily displaced for one update, but thereafter had looked fairly secure, with a 530 point lead in early August this year. Cordi, however, had been threatening with top score on two updates this year, 2nd place on two, and 3rd on a further two. And then topped the table again this time around.

Piccolo's second place meant that Cordi took the overall lead in the small hours of Sunday morning, but through Sobrero in Les Herbiers and Oldani in Veneto, Jon saw the end of the season as far as Europe is concerned in the lead. But in Malaysia, Einer Rubio had come third on the queen stage the previous Thursday, and looked poised to retain that position on GC: he lost a couple of places on the Monday, although it was a modified route, but there was no repeat of that loss in the final stage of the professional season, and it was those GC points that finally pushed Cordi to the top of the table.

1​
Cordi11622
1​
2​
JonEzeitza11574
-1​
3​
SafeBet10771
1​
4​
Squire10733
1​
5​
AmisVelo10688
-2​
6​
RoteLaterne10619
2​
7​
Madrazo10479
-1​
8​
Northerner10430
-1​
9​
Skidmark10239
0​
10​
Fivezzz10050
0​
11​
Karaev10006
0​
12​
Armchair_Cyclist9711
0​
13​
Joelsim9689
1​
14​
Kazistuta9582
-1​
15​
Nicosix9143
0​
16​
Del_19628948
0​
17​
Laarsland8895
1​
18​
Ludwigzgz8850
-1​
19​
LosBrolin8735
2​
20​
Vladimir8718
-1​
21​
Blues_in_the_Bottle8572
-1​
22​
MuddyWaters8404
1​
23​
LukasCPH8355
-1​
24​
hfgon18195
0​
25​
AlyKaptan7884
0​
26​
Archieboy7864
1​
27​
Comodoro7705
1​
28​
Otoxiep877674
-2​
29​
Josedin7580
0​
30​
Scrooll077322
0​
31​
Ray106947
0​
32​
Koronin4632
0​
33​
Leadbelly2269
0​
CollectiveWisdom10571
CollectiveIgnorance16649

Not only the top two changing places: extraordinarily for so late in the game, none of the top 8 remain where they were little ore than a month ago.

So congratulations to Cordi for the win, and to Jon for making such a contest of it, and to SafeBet for the late grab of the final podium spot.

This has been a very strange edition, mainly because of the near elimination of the calendar for the first year, but also in part due to the lack of a huge scorer, while those following this cohort do seem to have some monster potential resulting in the humiliation of all teams by the list of eligible but unchosen riders.

I will at some time do an analysis of riders and scores to try to work out why the tables were so volatile (I suggested that the podium looked settled at the end of year 2, but one of the three who looked set for said podium has now finished 10th) and the scores so low.

Until then, see if you can fathom it out here is the spreadsheet.
 
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Thank you for your congratulations and for the work you have been doing over the years, which is a lot, Armchair Cyclist. I am happy with the second place, which has a lot of merit and I had never achieved it before. Congratulations to Cordi, a rival to be feared by anyone, because he knows the young cyclists as if they were his own children. In the 2022-23 season we will meet again in this forum.
 
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I'll echo the gratefulness for the work done with these games! I think a lot of players are like me in that they don't comment too often, but check in with a keen eye from time to time. It's really satisfying when these picks turn out successful, and there are a few "what on earth was I thinking" moments, too.

I got really close to three straight podiums here, but missed out in this edition by 38 points! That's one 3rd place in a 1.1 race! Having a bit of a form dip in the 20-23 game, it seem, but it's looking better again for the one ending in 2024. I'm also looking forward to finding some talented gems to put in my team for the edition that's hopefully starting over the new year!
 
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End of the game

No selected rider scored in the period since the end of the n.1 and European season. I would say that it reflects well on our picks that that is the case, but given that we have between us 21 riders who didn't score in 2022, and 6 who didn't score at all across the three years, that is not necessarily the case.

There were some late adjustments to scores though, as I discovered 2 extra points each for Jordi Meeus (Joelsim's unique pick) and Tom Pidcock (on 21 teams), due to the removal of Luca Colnaghi's stage wins at the 2020 Baby Giro: no-one changed position because of those corrections.

It was by far the closest and most exciting finish of any edition to date, with the lead changing hands several times over the closing month, and even during the last 2.1 race of the year in Malaysia. And although I didn't track it as closely, the margins for the last podium place were equally (coincidentally, exactly so) small.

oh dear...
But the numbers show it as not being our finest set of selections. I would have expected the 2018-20 game to be the one most affected by Covid, as Year 3 gives the biggest haul of points, and Year 1 the smallest, and it was of course 2020 that saw most race cancellations. But the scores this time were, frankly, pitiful. If any of the top three in the 22-14 edition repeats that total in Year 2, (and most managers should expect Year 2 to be higher than Year 1), they will have scored more in 2 years than Cordi in 3; SafeBet's score after 2 years in the edition starting its final year would be on the podium here. Our choices were made before we knew of Covid, but there is no reason why those we picked should have suffered disproportionately to their peers. And yet the best Year 3 score here is lower than the best 2020 Year 3 score, and the best Year 2 score is less than 2/3 of the average pre-covid year 2 score.

Maybe the simple fact is that we didn't pick well, regardless of any Covid effect: the Collective Ignorance team came out top by a huge margin; and the winning score was 54.2% of what perfect foresight would have given, compared to a previous worst of 64.8%.

Volatility
It was not only on the last month that there was a lot of movement on the table: while there is a tendency for these games to settle into a pattern fairly early on, this time around teams were scuttling up and down the table wildly:
rank at end of Yr 1after Yr 2after Yr 3
Cordi
20​
11​
1​
JonEzeitza
4​
1​
2​
SafeBet
23​
20​
3​
Squire
8​
3​
4​
AmisVelo
2​
8​
5​
RoteLaterne
26​
13​
6​
Madrazo
11​
5​
7​
Northerner
9​
4​
8​
Skidmark
3​
6​
9​
Fivezzz
12​
2​
10​
Karaev
18​
12​
11​
Armchair_Cyclist
15​
18​
12​
Joelsim
16​
7​
13​
Kazistuta
30​
21​
14​
Nicosix
7​
19​
15​
Del_1962
22​
9​
16​
Laarsland
13​
14​
17​
Ludwigzgz
17​
26​
18​
LosBrolin
14​
16​
19​
Vladimir
1​
17​
20​
Blues_in_the_Bottle
20​
23​
21​
MuddyWaters
10​
15​
22​
LukasCPH
5​
10​
23​
hfgon1
27​
28​
24​
AlyKaptan
6​
22​
25​
Archieboy
19​
24​
26​
Comodoro
29​
25​
27​
Otoxiep87
32​
31​
28​
Josedin
25​
30​
29​
Scrooll07
24​
27​
30​
Ray10
28​
29​
31​
Koronin
31​
32​
32​
Leadbelly
33​
33​
33​



Year 3 saw 44% of the game's points scored, and is the most important year every time (except in 2020). The top scorers list this year was rather dominated by unselected riders (some of who we wouldn't have known of at all at the end of 2019), so I'll extend this to include 10 anyway that were on a team:

DE LIE Arnaud
1439​
0​
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
1082​
7​
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
1048​
6​
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
1004​
0​
KOOIJ Olav
968​
0​
ARENSMAN Thymen
955​
13​
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias
944​
0​
ZINGLE Axel
727​
0​
SCHMID Mauro
656​
0​
SHEFFIELD Magnus
621​
0​
VAUQUELIN Kévin
618​
0​
PIDCOCK Thomas
599​
21​
MOZZATO Luca
595​
0​
LOUVEL Matis
594​
0​
ZANA Filippo
515​
0​
VANSEVENANT Mauri
514​
19​
PICCOLO Andrea
509​
2​
TESFATSION Natnael Ocbit
493​
0​
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
493​
2​
MEEUS Jordi
483​
1​

while the Year 3 points for each team were
1Cordi
6112​
2SafeBet
6008​
3RoteLaterne
5269​
4JonEzeitza
5145​
5AmisVelo
4967​
6Kazistuta
4829​
7Armchair_Cyclist
4687​
8Karaev
4629​
9Madrazo
4503​
10Ludwigzgz
4497​
11Squire
4451​
12Northerner
4407​
13Nicosix
4350​
14Skidmark
4323​
15Otoxiep87
4180​
16hfgon1
4091​
17Blues_in_the_Bottle
4053​
18Joelsim
3791​
19Fivezzz
3748​
20Josedin
3678​
21Laarsland
3656​
22Vladimir
3627​
23LosBrolin
3531​
24Archieboy
3455​
25AlyKaptan
3349​
26Comodoro
3344​
27Del_1962
3342​
28MuddyWaters
3196​
29Scrooll07
2970​
30Ray10
2919​
31LukasCPH
2764​
32Koronin
1939​
33Leadbelly
1076​
CollectiveWisdom
4616​
CollectiveIgnorance
10612​

Top riders
across all three years, were
DE LIE Arnaud
1496​
0​
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
1409​
7​
GIRMAY HAILU Biniam
1756​
6​
PIDCOCK Thomas
1366​
21​
KOOIJ Olav
1361​
0​
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
1345​
5​
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias
1288​
0​
ARENSMAN Thymen
1198​
13​
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
1182​
0​
MEEUS Jordi
1159​
1​
MOZZATO Luca
1112​
0​
COVI Alessandro
1057​
4​
BISSEGGER Stefan
1014​
19​
BAGIOLI Andrea
1012​
26​
VANSEVENANT Mauri
967​
19​
SERRANO RODRIGUEZ Gonzalo
915​
0​
ZANA Filippo
900​
0​
TESFATSION Natnael Ocbit
900​
0​

That is the team that would have scored 21437 (that Cordi got 54.2% of, as noted above)

A reminder of the final table, with the riders for the top teams that were in the top team (although it is often the makeweights that make all the difference: strength in depth is the key)
1​
Cordi11624Rodriguez/Pidcock/Arensman/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
2​
JonEzeitza11576Rodriguez/Pidcock/Honore/Vansenenant
3​
SafeBet10773Girmay/Rodriguez/Pidcock/Arensman/Bagioli
4​
Squire10735Pidcock/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
5​
AmisVelo10690Girmay/Pidcock/Bagioli/Vansenenant
6​
RoteLaterne10621Pidcock/Arensman/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
7​
Madrazo10481Pidcock/Arensman/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
8​
Northerner10432Pidcock/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
9​
Skidmark10241Girmay/Pidcock/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
10​
Fivezzz10052Pidcock/Honore/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
11​
Karaev10008Pidcock/Arensman/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
12​
Armchair_Cyclist9713
13​
Joelsim9693
14​
Kazistuta9584
15​
Nicosix9143
16​
Del_19628950
17​
Laarsland8897
18​
Ludwigzgz8852
19​
LosBrolin8737
20​
Vladimir8718
21​
Blues_in_the_Bottle8574
22​
MuddyWaters8406
23​
LukasCPH8357
24​
hfgon18195
25​
AlyKaptan7884
26​
Archieboy7864
27​
Comodoro7707
28​
Otoxiep877674
29​
Josedin7580
30​
Scrooll077322
31​
Ray106947
32​
Koronin4632
33​
Leadbelly2269
CollectiveWisdom10573Pidcock/Arensman/Bissegger/Bagioli/Vansenenant
CollectiveIgnorance16650all those with a zero in the table above this

The winning team
This is the standard that no-one else (quite) matched up to:
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
1409​
PIDCOCK Thomas
1366​
ARENSMAN Thymen
1198​
BISSEGGER Stefan
1014​
BAGIOLI Andrea
1012​
VANSEVENANT Mauri
967​
SIMMONS Quinn
736​
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
627​
PICCOLO Andrea
563​
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
483​
EEKHOFF Nils
456​
VAN WILDER Ilan
395​
RUTSCH Jonas
309​
TIBERI Antonio
301​
VAN MOER Brent
295​
DONOVAN Mark
254​
BRENNER Marco
136​
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
103​


And if there is any more meaningful data to be extracted from the spreadsheet, help yourself (and share it here if you think anyone else will be interested)


You don't still need another reminder about the 2023-2025 Emerging Riders game, do you?
 
Interesting how this was such a low-scoring edition. But I think we could see that coming. If I remember correctly, this was the edition where I thought to myself when picking the team that 'there is a distinct lack of very promising riders here'. The edition before had Hayter, Evenepoel, Almeida, Leknessund and Dainese, who were all very exciting talents back then. The edition after has Ayuso, Brenner (very exciting at the time) and a one year older Arensman, Van Wilder and Vansevenant.

Whereas in this 20-22 edition, I ended with as many as four quite random Colombians (Ardila was very hyped though). The three aforementioned low-landers were among the most exciting for this edition, and the fact that they all could be picked the next year as well says quite a lot. Other than that it was just Pidcock, Simmons, Bagioli and Thijssen that felt like potential future world-beaters to me, I think. Quite a number of filler picks in my team (f.ex. Bouchard, Weemaes, Rutsch and the Colombians). Some of the guys who ended up being top scorer for the period were, as you say, unlikely to be on the radar of most people.

The upcoming edition has a 'medium' talent pool, I'd say. Some potentially great ones, but we're now a year too late for Cian, Ayuso, De Lie, Plapp and Piccolo. I think the 22-24 edition can be very strong.
 
I think that is probably true: the law of averages is not strict and cohorts do not even out necessarily.

Of the high scoring Collective Ignorance riders, I think there cannot be a lot of blame attached to us for not thinking about De Lie, Skjelmose, Ayuso and Zingle in January 2020 (although these would, I suppose, have been the level of risky pick of younger riders that make for the occasional superb unique pick we get).