2020-22 Emerging Riders CQ Game

Who will win the Tour de France and the Giro in 2022? If you know, and they have each had a less illustrious career thus far than Dylan Sutherland (who has 200 CQ points thus far in his career), you'll do OK in this. Bernal and Carapaz have done the equivalent this year, but did you reckon them as prospects 3 years ago?

The Emerging Riders game tests your powers of prediction of the brightest talents, or most misleading early deceivers, in the sport, over a three year period.

Your Team is to consist of 18 male riders, each of whom has a maximum of 199 CQ points through their career, (so long as that total is not kept low because of results removed under doping sanctions)

There is a long list on Dropbox of people who have appeared in CQ listings in the last three years but without reaching 200 points: you may of course want to select riders who have never appeared. That file also has a more manageable list of about 180 names: Riders who have been selected for either the main annual CQ game or the Youth CQ game, but are eligible for this one. Consider it a longish-shortlist that you might, or might not, choose to use.

Submit your team by PM to me, before the beginning of the Tour Down Under on January 21. As usual, names in CQ format please, with nothing else on the line. If the rider has no CQ page, then hope that SURNAME Forename is what CQ will go with (and if not I'll hopefully be able to track him down eventually).

My team has been sent to Joelsim, the manager of the first team submitted. I reserve the right to adjust it in the case of a rider emerging Gaviria-like before the deadline (although with the earlier deadline that should be less likely).

The score is CQ points gained over the next three years (the less-than-200 points before the game don't count) , the end of 2022 update being the end. I might need to be alerted to points from one year that are deleted the next. I aim to give updates monthly, but bear with me, especially when the GT games are on.

Entries up to late on Sunday 19th Jan.

AmisVelo
Archieboy
Armchair_Cyclist
Blues_in_the_Bottle
Comodoro
Cordi
Del_1962
hfgon1
Joelsim
JonEzeitza
Josedin
Karaev
Koronin
Laarsland
Leadbelly
Ludwigzgz
Madrazo
MuddyWaters
Nicosix
Northerner
Otoxiep87
Ray10
RoteLaterne
Scrooll07
Squire
Vladimir


Enjoy, and see whether potential and hype are turned into results.
 
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Equipo enviado Ser el primero en enviarlo ya está ganando algo. ¡Venga! :).
Estas son algunas de las características de mi equipo:
  • EQUIPOS: 10 PRT + 1 CONT
  • EDADES: 19 años (1), 20 (1), 21 (3), 22 (8), 23 (4), 24 (1)
  • PAÍSES: Italia (5), Alemania (2), Bélgica (2), Países Bajos (2), EE. UU. (2), Colombia (2), Dinamarca (1), España (1), Luxemburgo (1)
I can cope with brief messages in Spanish, but other managers, please do not follow Jon's example of having names translated into Spanish (or any other language). We have all had a laugh with Mikel Snow, Sandy Marry and David Stream (for señores Nieve, Casar and Arroyo), but it is a nuisance when compiling spreadsheets to have to translate.

With apologies for giving away one of his team members (although I'm sure it is a rider all will at least consider), Ilan Van Más Salvaje is a step too far.
 
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Sorry. It's CHROME that changes my messages. I never know in what language they will reach your hands. I always send them in normal English, but the CHROME browser automatically translates messages as he wants to the language he wants. I have never translated the names or surnames of cyclists; I always put them as in CQ RANKING. I'm sorry, but I don't know how to fix this problem.
 
I have finally got the Dropbox spreadsheet up, with the names of about 3 and a half thousand riders who have scored CQ points at least once in the last three years, but have not yet reached the 200 lifetime points that would disqualify them. I have added to the list any eligible riders at WT and PT level. You may, of course, choose others who haven't scored in the last three years and are currently below this level.


The Dropbox file also contains a list of riders who you might have been thinking of, but who have gained their disqualifying 200th point during 2019.


The list can be found here.
 
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Seems like there's been an inflation in CQ points over the last couple of years, especially for the young riders. In my team for the 2017 edition of this game, I could fit almost all the biggest U23 talents that were turning pro into my team: Mas, Gaudu, Albanese, Powless, Grøndahl Jansen, Ravasi and, if I'd had any sense, Schachmann. Guys like Kämna, Ganna and Frankiny were eligible too. It was really just Geoghegan Hart and Ackermann that had scored too much already.

Now a lot of the most exciting neo-pros have scored way too many points before they go pro, like Dainese, Foss, Hayter, Valter, Leknessund, Pronskiy, Champoussin, Battistella, Groves and also Almeida and Bjerg (who are not technically neo-pros).
 
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A week from now (the datestamp on this post) it will be a just over 10 1/2 hours since the start of the Tour Down Under.

That means that you have 6 days, 13 and a bit hours to get your teams in. The dropbox linked in the OP now includes the riders who are eligible for this and have been thought worthy pf a place in at least one manager's opinion of a place in the Main CQ game, or the Youth game. Not always a great recommendation, it should be said, and those games have other criteria for selection, but it might give you some ideas.
 
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Just recovered my account in this forum :)

Seems like there's been an inflation in CQ points over the last couple of years, especially for the young riders. In my team for the 2017 edition of this game, I could fit almost all the biggest U23 talents that were turning pro into my team: Mas, Gaudu, Albanese, Powless, Grøndahl Jansen, Ravasi and, if I'd had any sense, Schachmann. Guys like Kämna, Ganna and Frankiny were eligible too. It was really just Geoghegan Hart and Ackermann that had scored too much already.

Now a lot of the most exciting neo-pros have scored way too many points before they go pro, like Dainese, Foss, Hayter, Valter, Leknessund, Pronskiy, Champoussin, Battistella, Groves and also Almeida and Bjerg (who are not technically neo-pros).
I don't see an inflation. Cq ranking criteria and UCI calendar are almost the same. The issue is just the different particularities of every young rider career, and their calendar choices.
 
Less than 2 days to go: you'll have three years to regret it if you don't...


25 teams so far, using 129 different riders, 62 of them unique picks. One rider is on 20 teams, and there are 11 on more than half the teams: 2 managers have selected all 11 of them, and one has none of them.
 
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I will likely have the 11 riders on more than half the teams... after the main game is up and running, sometimes I really enjoy digging into the hunt for unknown riders for this game, and sometimes I just take some decent prospects off my longlist for the main game and call it a day. That latter approach is this year - I've slotted in 15 from my main game long list and have 5 more I'm mulling over for the last 3 spots. I'll see if I can turn up some undiscovered (to me) gems in the last 24 hours but I probably won't shock anyone with my picks (unlike the main game where I'm known for my originality, of course). Excited to start another year!
 
Your three year journey starts here.

32 teams: a few regulars like DJW, Hakkie, Flo and Fauniera are missing, but nice to welcome some new faces.

136 different riders selected, 62 of them only once.

Here are those teams, asterisks, as ever, indicating unique picks.

Alykaptan
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ANIOLKOWSKI Stanislaw
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BAIS Mattia
BISSEGGER Stefan
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
DE DECKER Alfdan *
EEKHOFF Nils
FOUCHE James
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KONYCHEV Alexander
SAVINI Daniel
SIMMONS Quinn
VERMAERKE Kevin
VIVIANI Attilio
WEEMAES Sasha

Amis Velo
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
CULLAIGH Gabriel
EEKHOFF Nils
HAILEMICHAEL Mulu Kinfe
HAILU Biniam Girmay
JORGENSON Matteo
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
MOLENAAR Alex
OLDANI Stefano
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Archieboy
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
BRUNEL Alexys *
DEBEAUMARCHE Nicolas *
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
GARRISON Michael
INKELAAR Kevin
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
TRACZ Szymon
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERSCHAEVE Viktor *

Armchair Cyclist
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
EEKHOFF Nils
GAROSIO Andrea *
INKELAAR Kevin
JOHANSEN Julius
JORGENSON Matteo
KONYCHEV Alexander
OLDANI Stefano
PEAK Barnabas
PIDCOCK Thomas
RIES Michel
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANHOUCKE Harm *
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Blues in the Bottle
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
CEPEDA HERNANDEZ Jefferson Alveiro *
CULLAIGH Gabriel
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
OLDANI Stefano
PIDCOCK Thomas
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VERMAERKE Kevin
VIVIANI Attilio
WILLIAMS Stephen
WRIGHT Fred

Comodoro
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
MÄRKL Niklas *
PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David
PIDCOCK Thomas
QUICK Blake
QUINN Sean *
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
ZUKOWSKY Nickolas

Cordi
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
BRENNER Marco
DONOVAN Mark
EEKHOFF Nils
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
PICCOLO Andrea
PIDCOCK Thomas
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
TIBERI Antonio
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri

Del1962
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BENNETT Sean
DONOVAN Mark
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
HOLMES Matthew
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
INKELAAR Kevin
PIDCOCK Thomas
RIES Michel
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Fivezzz
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BARTHE Cyril
BISSEGGER Stefan
BOUCHARD Geoffrey
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
MOLENAAR Alex
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
PIDCOCK Thomas
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VIVIANI Attilio
WEEMAES Sasha

hfgon1
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BISSEGGER Stefan
BRENNER Marco
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
GARRISON Michael
HAILU Biniam Girmay
HOLMES Matthew
JORGENSON Matteo
MOLENAAR Alex
RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN WILDER Ilan
WRIGHT Fred
ZIMMERMANN Georg
ZUKOWSKY Nickolas

Joelsim
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BENNETT Sean
BISSEGGER Stefan
EEKHOFF Nils
JERMAN Ziga
MEEUS Jordi *
MOLENAAR Alex
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri

Jon Ezeitza
ALEOTTI Giovanni
BAGIOLI Andrea
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
OLDANI Stefano
PIDCOCK Thomas
RIES Michel
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
SOBRERO Matteo *
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Josedin
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
FINE Eddy *
GAMPER Patrick *
GOOSSENS Kobe
INKELAAR Kevin
NIV Guy *
PEAK Barnabas
QUARTERMAN Charlie
RENARD Alexis
RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SIMMONS Quinn
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VIVIANI Attilio

Karaev
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BAIS Mattia
BISSEGGER Stefan
EEKHOFF Nils
GALL Felix *
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KONYCHEV Alexander
PIDCOCK Thomas
PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan
SAVINI Daniel
THIJSSEN Gerben
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WALLS Matthew *
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Kazistuta
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BISSEGGER Stefan
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
CULLAIGH Gabriel
DONOVAN Mark
EVANS Alexander
GARRISON Michael
HAILU Biniam Girmay
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
PEAK Barnabas
PIDCOCK Thomas
REYNDERS Jens *
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VIVIANI Attilio

Koronin
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
BAGIOLI Andrea
BALLESTEROS CANOVAS Miguel Angel *
BEVILACQUA Mattia *
CULLAIGH Gabriel
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
GARRISON Ian
GUGLIELMI Simon *
HOLLMANN Juri
JACOBS Johan *
JORGENSON Matteo
LOPEZ FUENTES Diego *
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel
QUARTERMAN Charlie
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo

Laarsland
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
CUADRADO RUIZ DE GAUNA Unai *
EEKHOFF Nils
GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KONYCHEV Alexander
PIDCOCK Thomas
RIES Michel
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
THIJSSEN Gerben
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Leadbelly
ADAMIETZ Johannes *
ANIOLKOWSKI Stanislaw
ÄRM Rait *
CAÑAVERAL VARGAS Jonathan *
DINA Marton *
DRIZNERS Jarrad *
ENGELHARDT Felix *
FRIGO Marco *
GUILLONNET Adrien *
HEIDEMANN Miguel *
KIPKEMBOI Salim *
KOOISTRA Marten *
LEEMREIZE Gijs *
NONNEZ Théo *
OTRUBA Jakub *
QUICK Blake
TRACZ Szymon
WOUTERS Enzo *

Los Brolin
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob *
KONYCHEV Alexander
MOLENAAR Alex
PIDCOCK Thomas
PLOWRIGHT Jensen *
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Ludwigzgz
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
CASTRILLO ZAPATER Jaime *
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
DONOVAN Mark
EEKHOFF Nils
HAILEMICHAEL Mulu Kinfe
INKELAAR Kevin
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
MOLENAAR Alex
PIDCOCK Thomas
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN WILDER Ilan
VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo

Lukas CPH
BAGIOLI Andrea
BAIS Mattia
BISSEGGER Stefan
BONIFAZIO Leonardo *
BOUCHARD Geoffrey
CULLAIGH Gabriel
EEKHOFF Nils
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
HOLMES Matthew
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
JOHANSEN Julius
PETERS Alex *
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
SLEEN Torjus
VAN WILDER Ilan
VIVIANI Attilio

Madrazo
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
EEKHOFF Nils
GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando
GARRISON Ian
KONYCHEV Alexander
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VIVIANI Attilio
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Muddy Waters
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
COVI Alessandro
EEKHOFF Nils
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
ISERBYT Eli *
KONYCHEV Alexander
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo
VIVIANI Attilio

Nicosix
ANIOLKOWSKI Stanislaw
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
DE PLUS Jasper *
EEKHOFF Nils
EVANS Alexander
FOUCHE James
GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando
GOOSSENS Kobe
HAILU Biniam Girmay
KONYCHEV Alexander
PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri

Otoxiep87
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
COVI Alessandro
DALLA VALLE Nicholas *
GAMPER Florian *
HOLLMANN Juri
MURIAS Jakub *
PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel
QUARTERMAN Charlie
RENARD Alexis
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SALMON Martin *
SIMMONS Quinn
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VERMEERSCH Florian
WIRTGEN Luc *

Ray10
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BISSEGGER Stefan
COVI Alessandro
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
INKELAAR Kevin
JERMAN Ziga
JOHANSEN Julius
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
NEVENS Tibo *
PRODHOMME Nicolas *
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WAERENSKJOLD Søren *
WEEMAES Sasha

Rote Laterne
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BAIS Mattia
BISSEGGER Stefan
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KONYCHEV Alexander
PICCOLO Andrea
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
TIBERI Antonio
VAN DEN BERG Marijn *
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERGAERDE Otto *
ZIMMERMANN Georg

SafeBet
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
HAILU Biniam Girmay
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
JORGENSON Matteo
KONYCHEV Alexander
MOLENAAR Alex
PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David
PIDCOCK Thomas
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
STRONG Corbin *
VAN WILDER Ilan
VERMAERKE Kevin

Scrool07
BAGIOLI Andrea
BAIS Mattia
BARTHE Cyril
GARRISON Ian
GIBSON Matthew *
HONORE Mikkel Frølich
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
MOLENAAR Alex
NIEUWENHUIS Joris
OLDANI Stefano
OLIVEIRA Rui Filipe Alves *
PAASSCHENS Mathijs *
RUTSCH Jonas
SAVINI Daniel
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Skidmark
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
EEKHOFF Nils
GARRISON Ian
HAILU Biniam Girmay
JOHANSEN Julius
MOLENAAR Alex
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
VAN MOER Brent
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VIVIANI Attilio
WILLIAMS Stephen
ZIMMERMANN Georg

Squire
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
BOUCHARD Geoffrey
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
EEKHOFF Nils
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
PIDCOCK Thomas
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
SIMMONS Quinn
THIJSSEN Gerben
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMEERSCH Florian
VIVIANI Attilio
WEEMAES Sasha

Vladimir
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BAGIOLI Andrea
BISSEGGER Stefan
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
COVI Alessandro
EEKHOFF Nils
FEDOROV Yevgeniy *
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KONYCHEV Alexander
KULIKOVSKIY Aleksandr *
OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro
SIMMONS Quinn
SLEEN Torjus
VAN MOER Brent
VAN POUCKE Aaron *
VAN WILDER Ilan
ZIMMERMANN Georg
 
Riders by popularity
26 teams (out of 32): BAGIOLI Andrea, SIMMONS Quinn
25: ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo, VAN WILDER Ilan
23: EEKHOFF Nils
21: PIDCOCK Thomas
20: RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
19: BISSEGGER Stefan, VANSEVENANT Mauri
17: KONYCHEV Alexander
16: RUTSCH Jonas
15: VAN MOER Brent
13: ARENSMAN Thymen, ZIMMERMANN Georg
12: GARRISON Ian
11: CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
10: ALEOTTI Giovanni, VIVIANI Attilio

That bunch of 18 make up the Collective Wisdom team. Viviani was on only 2 or 3 teams before he won the first stage of Tropicale Amissa Bongo about 11 hours before the deadline, then featured on most of the late submissions and was swapped in by three managers. Gaviria's sudden emergence during San Luis in 2015 made a big difference in that edition of the game, but I am not convinced that beating Lorrenzo Manzin once is equivalent as a harbinger to beating Cavendish twice back then.

The non-CW riders are:

9: HÄNNINEN Jaakko, LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro, MOLENAAR Alex

7: RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos

6: HAILU Biniam Girmay, INKELAAR Kevin

5: ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego, BAIS Mattia, CULLAIGH Gabriel, HONORE Mikkel Frølich, JORGENSON Matteo, OLDANI Stefano, VERMAERKE Kevin

4: COVI Alessandro, DONOVAN Mark, JOHANSEN Julius, NIEUWENHUIS Joris, OSORIO CARVAJAL Alejandro, RIES Michel, TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso, WEEMAES Sasha

3: ANIOLKOWSKI Stanislaw, BOUCHARD Geoffrey, GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando, GARRISON Michael, HOLMES Matthew, PEAK Barnabas, QUARTERMAN Charlie, SAVINI Daniel, THIJSSEN Gerben, VILLALOBOS HERNANDEZ Luis Ricardo

2: BARTHE Cyril, BENNETT Sean, BRENNER Marco, BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago, ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo, EVANS Alexander, FOUCHE James, GOOSSENS Kobe, HAILEMICHAEL Mulu Kinfe, HOLLMANN Juri, JERMAN Ziga, PEÑA JIMENEZ Jesus David, PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel, PICCOLO Andrea, PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan, QUICK Blake, RENARD Alexis, RIVERA VARGAS Brandon Smith, SLEEN Torjus, TIBERI Antonio, TRACZ Szymon, VERMEERSCH Florian, WILLIAMS Stephen, WRIGHT Fred, ZUKOWSKY Nickolas


Despite Alex Peters being a very under-performing member of the Collective Wisdom team in the 2016-18 game, and scoring a grand total of zero across three years in the following edition, Lukas still has confidence in him.

I had expected to see far more picks for Marco Brenner, with people assuming that he would do enough in years 2 and 3 to make up for what might be an insignificant score in year 1. Did people not realise how good a pick Evenepoel was in the 2017-19 game, despite only scoring in year 3, (or Bernal in 2015-17, when he was in the best possible team) or is the hype considered overblown?
 
Teams by Popularity of picks

1 Madrazo 308
2 LosBrolin 297
3 Northerner 295
4 Skidmark 282
5 Laarsland 277
6 Cordi 274
7 AmisVelo 271
8 Joelsim 267
8 Squire 267
10 Del_1962 249
11 Archieboy 248
11 Fivezzz 248
13 Comodoro 245
13 MuddyWaters 245
15 SafeBet 244
16 JonEzeitza 239
17 Ludwigzgz 236
18 Karaev 235
18 Vladimir 235
20 RoteLaterne 234
21 Armchair_Cyclist 231
22 Nicosix 226
23 Kazistuta 222
24 Blues_in_the_Bottle 216
25 AlyKaptan 212
26 Ray10 208
27 LukasCPH 204
28 hfgon1 193
29 Scrooll07 169
30 Josedin 155
31 Koronin 125
32 Otoxiep87 102
33 Leadbelly 22
CollectiveWisdom 321

Teams by points prior to the game
which might amount to "How likely is it that some of the riders might be selected again in the 2021-23 version?"

1 Scrooll07 2680
2 LukasCPH 2675
3 JonEzeitza 2336
4 Joelsim 2327
5 Del_1962 2234
6 Fivezzz 2219
7 Skidmark 2162
8 RoteLaterne 2097
9 LosBrolin 2026
10 Armchair_Cyclist 2016
11 Karaev 2002
12 AmisVelo 1979
13 Laarsland 1971
14 Madrazo 1963
15 Northerner 1951
16 AlyKaptan 1948
17 Squire 1943
18 Comodoro 1880
19 Blues_in_the_Bottle 1824
20 Ray10 1818
21 MuddyWaters 1766
22 Vladimir 1637
23 Archieboy 1598
24 hfgon1 1591
25 Cordi 1562
26 Ludwigzgz 1546
27 Nicosix 1537
28 Kazistuta 1486
29 SafeBet 1480
30 Leadbelly 1433
31 Josedin 1329
32 Koronin 1165
33 Otoxiep87 347
CollectiveWisdom 2051

I worry that Otoxiep might have misread the rules...


And for any other comparisons, or an insight into my methodology (and therefore my mind), here is the spreadsheet at Dropbox.
 
Thanks for the roundup! I was quite surprised to find that I have picked the 5 most popular riders this time around. Felt that there was no absolute "must have" picks, so thought I had forgotten someone. Most surprising for me is probably that no one has picked Vacek. He was last man outside my team, and was on 9 teams last year. My uniqie picks were quite expected. Highest hopes for the new Vino/Lutsenko - Yevgeniy Fedorov.
Good luck to all, and thanks again for organizing Armchair!
 
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@Squire Our teams are quite alike. 13 of our 18 riders are the same, if I'm not mistaken.

My team:

BARTHE Cyril
GARRISON Ian
HONORE Mikkel Frolich
MOLENAAR Alex
VERMAERKE Kevin

Your team:

CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
THIJSSEN Gerben
VERMEERSCH Florian

I have picked riders of Deceuninck (GARRISON, HONORE, probably VERMAERKE in 2021), a high scoring MOLENAAR that transfered to a PCT team that might go to the Vuelta and BARTHE who progressed well in 2019 and can maybe develop faster since he's a sprinter. We'll see.

For the record: I also considered CEPEDA (because Savio), RUBIO (nice result in Baby Giro and transfer to Movistar) and RUTSCH (a win in Ghent-Wevelgem is something to take into account).

First try in these CyclingNews games, so I might lack some insights in game tactics.

Game on!
 
I have done a Team Similarity tab, and the 13 shared members that Fivezzz and Squire have, identified above, is the highest co-incidence of teams, but not a unique degree of similarity.

Also sharing 13 riders:
Laarsland and Los Brolin,
Laarsland and Madrazo,
Laarsland and Northerner,
Los Brolin and Madrazo,
Los Brolin and Skidmark,
Madrazo and Northerner,
Madrazo and Skidmark

Obviously enough, it is the teams at the top of the rider popularity table who have most in common. Madrazo has 17 of the Collective Wisdom team, missing only Jonas Rutsch.
 
I have done a Team Similarity tab, and the 13 shared members that Fivezzz and Squire have, identified above, is the highest co-incidence of teams, but not a unique degree of similarity.
I guess what makes it stand out is that none of us are at the absolute top of team popularity.

@Squire Our teams are quite alike. 13 of our 18 riders are the same, if I'm not mistaken.

My team:

BARTHE Cyril
GARRISON Ian
HONORE Mikkel Frolich
MOLENAAR Alex
VERMAERKE Kevin

Your team:

CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
RUTSCH Jonas
THIJSSEN Gerben
VERMEERSCH Florian
I guess my picks are a bit more romantic, while yours are more low risk/low reward. I don't believe that Honoré will be much more than a very solid domestique, but even that role can of course get you points when on Quickstep. Will be interesting to follow Garrison. I heavily considered him.

I'm especially excited about Rutsch. He looked like a beast in Alsace and in Avenir until he crashed out. Incredible uphill for such a big guy. Serious classics potential there.

I had expected to see far more picks for Marco Brenner, with people assuming that he would do enough in years 2 and 3 to make up for what might be an insignificant score in year 1. Did people not realise how good a pick Evenepoel was in the 2017-19 game, despite only scoring in year 3, (or Bernal in 2015-17, when he was in the best possible team) or is the hype considered overblown?
Strongly considered Brenner. But picking him would mean having to endure a year of no points at all, and there's no guarantee he'll not stagnate, burn out or otherwise not be a success. And who knows, he might discover booze and girls in the meantime. :D

Bernal had the added benefit of a very points-friendly calendar for two years, and even he didn't set the world on fire in his first year. Evenepoel has created unrealistic expectations for riders coming straight out of juniors. Even such an obvious talent as Brenner could end up doing a Mohoric.
 
I'm surprised I managed to pick the two most popular riders. Also surprised I only have 5 unique picks, but that means at least this time most of the riders others at least think are also good enough to pick. So that's hopeful. Yes I decided that I'd go with several Movistar rookies, because with the huge turnover a couple of these kids have to get some chances to do something. One of my unique picks (Ballesteros) has raced as an amateur for both Contador's and Valverde's developmental teams. He's with Caja Rural's development team for this season.
 

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