2020 Vuelta CQ Game

Koronin · Nov 7, 2020

Did anyone else want to join the "My Team is Bloody Worthless" group?
There are two of us and our teams continue to prove to be bloody worthless.

Armchair cyclist · Nov 8, 2020

Stage 17 Last throw of the dice

Green points not the last throw on this one

1	RoteLaterne	98	Gaudu, Izagirre, Carapaz
2=	Googolplex, Kazistuta, Laarsland	95	Gaudu, Izagirre
5	LosBrolin	90	Gaudu, De La Cruz, Carapaz, Carthy
6	Luthor	88	Gaudu, De La Cruz, Carapaz
7	Otoxiep87	85	Gaudu, De La Cruz
8=	ArchieBoy, BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Vladimir	73	Gaudu, Carapaz
12=	Bminchow, Fivezzz, SafeBet, Search	70	Gaudu
16	ChrisDK	20	De La Cruz, Martin
17	Koronin	7	Storer
18	Mellow_Velo	5	Martin
19=	Carapaz teams	3
26=	The rest	0
	Collective_Wisdom	73

Standings
After a few stable days, lots of change and the two managers who have dominated the main game rise to the top spots here.

		score	position change
1	RoteLaterne	682	1
2	LosBrolin	642	2
3	Fivezzz	612	2
4	Laarsland	593	3
5	Shalgo	587	-4
6	SafeBet	576	0
7	Yellow_Knight	562	-4
8	Search	561	1
9	Luthor	520	4
10	BicycleBoy	493	-2

Very few sprinters in these selections to change things tomorrow.

Main game
There were a few gc changes, but so far down that only those invested in this game are likely to notice them.

GAUDU David	130 points	15 teams
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	70	4
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion	35	4
MARTIN Guillaume	17	2
STORER Michael	13	1

CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban	-16	2
KUSS Sepp	-17	5
WOODS Michael	-18	11
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro	-30	4
VLASOV Aleksandr	-32	18
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix	-43	2

1	Luthor	204	Gaudu and De La Cruz
2	LosBrolin	203	Gaudu and De La Cruz
3	Otoxiep87	169	Gaudu and De La Cruz but Vlasov
4	Kazistuta	137	Gaudu and Izagirre
5	RoteLaterne	136	Gaudu and Izagirre but Vlasov
6	BikeRacer33	125
7	Laarsland	124
8	ArchieBoy	108
9	Comodoro	101
9	Vladimir	101
11	Bminchow	98
12	Googolplex	88
13	SafeBet	65
14	ChrisDK	57
15	Search	50
16	Fivezzz	46
17	Del1962	5
17	Northerner	5
19	BluesInTheBottle	3
20	Mellow_Velo	-1
21	Triley36	-12
22	Armchair_Cyclist	-13
22	Scrool07	-13
24	RedheadDane	-14
25	Koronin	-15
26	Salvarani	-32
27	Shalgo	-43
27	Yellow_Knight	-43
29	AmisVelo	-46
29	Nakazar	-46
31	BicycleBoy	-50
32	Leadbelly	-62
	Collective_Wisdom	103

Standings All over bar the sprinting

1	LosBrolin	2426	0	203
2	RoteLaterne	2092	0	136
3	Luthor	1909	0	204
4	BikeRacer33	1631	3	125
5	Shalgo	1596	-1	-43
6	Comodoro	1550	3	101
7	Scrool07	1542	-2	-13
8	Armchair_Cyclist	1527	-2	-13
9	ArchieBoy	1452	4	108
10	Fivezzz	1447	2	46
11	BicycleBoy	1421	-3	-50
12	Bminchow	1376	4	98
13	AmisVelo	1373	-3	-46
14	Yellow_Knight	1371	-3	-43
15	Vladimir	1348	5	101
16	Search	1341	-1	50
17	Northerner	1331	-3	5
18	SafeBet	1327	0	65
19	Del1962	1269	-2	5
20	Triley36	1243	-1	-12
21	Otoxiep87	1228	2	169
22	Leadbelly	1159	-1	-62
23	Laarsland	1121	1	124
24	BluesInTheBottle	1063	-2	3
25	Googolplex	1027	1	88
26	Kazistuta	1015	2	137
27	ChrisDK	1004	-2	57
28	Nakazar	840	-1	-46
29	Mellow_Velo	822	0	-1
30	Salvarani	774	0	-32
31	Koronin	699	0	-15
32	RedheadDane	520	0	-14
	Collective_Wisdom	1542		103

Those margins at the top, unlike in the Vuelta itself, are huge. Hard to see tomorrow as more than a formality.

Armchair cyclist · Nov 8, 2020

Stage 18 And that's it for 2020

Green points

1	Googolplex	41	Bennett and Aberasturi
2=	Northerner, Vladimir	25	Kanter
4=	Luthor, Otoxiep87	15	Philipsen
6=	AmisVelo, Laarsland	2	Stannard
8=	ChrisDK, Koronin, Mellow_Velo	1	Aberasturi
11=	Everyone else	0

Final table
Googolplex's investment in Bennett, by a long way the most expensive sprinter selected, had probably been intended to gain more than a last moment move into tenth, but that is what he got out of it.

1	RoteLaterne	682	0
2	LosBrolin	642	0
3	Fivezzz	612	0
4	Laarsland	595	0
5	Shalgo	587	0
6	SafeBet	576	0
7	Yellow_Knight	562	0
8	Search	561	0
9	Luthor	535	0
10	Googolplex	512	4
11	BicycleBoy	493	-1
12	ArchieBoy	490	-1
13	BikeRacer33	488	-1
14	Northerner	483	4
15	Otoxiep87	479	2
16	Bminchow	472	-3
17	Armchair_Cyclist	465	-2
17	Scrool07	465	-2
19	Vladimir	443	1
20	Comodoro	424	-1
21	Kazistuta	396	0
22	Nakazar	342	0
23	Leadbelly	340	0
24	Salvarani	332	0
25	Triley36	331	0
26	AmisVelo	330	0
27	Mellow_Velo	302	0
28	BluesInTheBottle	237	0
29	Del1962	236	0
30	ChrisDK	225	0
31	Koronin	142	0
32	RedheadDane	67	0
	Collective_Wisdom	424

Main Game Last ditch point contributions:

BENNETT Sam	40	1
KANTER Max	25	2
PHILIPSEN Jasper	19	2
MADRAZO RUIZ Angel	2	3
POWER Robert	2	6
STANNARD Robert	2	2

GROSSSCHARTNER Felix	-2	2
MAS NICOLAU Enric	-2	27
WOODS Michael	-3	11
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc	-4	6
FORMOLO Davide	-42	3

Davide Formolo obviously values attendance at his child's birth over the battle to get into the top half of the table here.

1	Googolplex	41
2	Northerner	23
3	Luthor	17
3	Otoxiep87	17
5	AmisVelo	2
5	Koronin	2
7	ChrisDK	1
7	RedheadDane	1
9	BluesInTheBottle	-1
9	Comodoro	-1
11	ArchieBoy	-2
11	Del1962	-2
11	Kazistuta	-2
11	Leadbelly	-2
11	LosBrolin	-2
11	Mellow_Velo	-2
11	Nakazar	-2
11	RoteLaterne	-2
11	Triley36	-2
20	Search	-3
21	Armchair_Cyclist	-5
21	BicycleBoy	-5
21	SafeBet	-5
21	Salvarani	-5
21	Scrool07	-5
26	BikeRacer33	-6
27	Shalgo	-9
27	Yellow_Knight	-9
29	Fivezzz	-11
30	Vladimir	-15
31	Bminchow	-42
32	Laarsland	-47
	Collective_Wisdom	-2

Final standings

1	LosBrolin	2424	0	-2
2	RoteLaterne	2090	0	-2
3	Luthor	1926	0	17
4	BikeRacer33	1625	0	-6
5	Shalgo	1587	0	-9
6	Comodoro	1549	0	-1
7	Scrool07	1537	0	-5
8	Armchair_Cyclist	1522	0	-5
9	ArchieBoy	1450	0	-2
10	Fivezzz	1436	0	-11
11	BicycleBoy	1416	0	-5
12	AmisVelo	1375	1	2
13	Yellow_Knight	1362	1	-9
14	Northerner	1354	3	23
15	Search	1338	1	-3
16	Bminchow	1334	-4	-42
17	Vladimir	1333	-2	-15
18	SafeBet	1322	0	-5
19	Del1962	1267	0	-2
20	Otoxiep87	1245	1	17
21	Triley36	1241	-1	-2
22	Leadbelly	1157	0	-2
23	Laarsland	1074	0	-47
24	Googolplex	1068	1	41
25	BluesInTheBottle	1062	-1	-1
26	Kazistuta	1013	0	-2
27	ChrisDK	1005	0	1
28	Nakazar	838	0	-2
29	Mellow_Velo	820	0	-2
30	Salvarani	769	0	-5
31	Koronin	701	0	2
32	RedheadDane	521	0	1
	Collective_Wisdom	1540		-2

Very good scores for our top three (taking advantage of the 2020ness of the price list?), and a top two who were almost unchallenged since stage 1.

Congratulations to Los Brolin on a dominant win with 4 of the top five on GC, to Rote Laterne on a second place and win in the secondary classification, to Luthor for an impressive debut in the GT games, and to all who entered via Velorooms in their win on average score over CyclingNews (1335 to 1283).

Thanks to everyone who entered, especially if you are neither Los Brolin nor Rote Laterne and have still maintained interest to the end.

Some "Where did it all go right/wrong?" tomorrow (I think I will have time: track and trace have tracked and traced me)

I wonder what month the games will be next year...

Armchair cyclist · Nov 9, 2020

The Four Seasons Challenge (sponsored by Four Seasons Total Landscapes of Philadelphia, for all your press hosting requirements)

For Bminchow, winning the Classics game and getting second in the Giro made up for a poor Tour showing, and (perhaps aided by high scorers in the Tour and the Vuelta failing to enter all four events) nets him this year's CQ equivalent of the Velo d'Or.

Thanks for your loyalty to these games to all who earned a place in the challenge.

		Classics	Giro	Tour	Vuelta	TOTAL	Change in Vuelta
1	Bminchow	2203	1508	856	1334	5901	0
2	Armchair_Cyclist	1842	1001	1162	1522	5527	1
3	Shalgo	1634	855	1174	1587	5250	2
4	Salvarani	1664	915	1879	769	5227	-2
5	AmisVelo	1114	1201	1528	1375	5218	-1
6	RoteLaterne	1524	657	823	2090	5094	7
7	Search	1227	629	1590	1338	4784	1
8	Del1962	977	1010	1496	1267	4750	-1
9	Scrool07	1284	471	1383	1537	4675	3
10	Leadbelly	1215	1471	628	1157	4471	-1
11	Mellow_Velo	1467	1177	888	820	4352	-5
12	Laarsland	1098	799	1325	1074	4296	-2
13	Comodoro	1445	579	655	1549	4228	4
14	BluesInTheBottle	985	667	1503	1062	4217	-3
15	Northerner	1257	512	968	1354	4091	1
16	Otoxiep87	1481	315	1044	1245	4085	-1
17	Googolplex	656	1209	1043	1068	3976	-3
18	Triley36	1076	614	808	1241	3739	0
	Collective_Wisdom	1607	702	819	1540	4668

Koronin · Nov 9, 2020

Can't really blame Formolo for wanting to be home for the birth of his child.

LosBrolin · Nov 9, 2020

Thanks for organizing the games AC. See you next year.

Fivezzz · Nov 14, 2020

Thanks indeed. See you next season.

Armchair cyclist · Nov 17, 2020

About a week later than I had intended doing it, but here are some rider/game stats:

Green Jersey points The riders who had a stage win or it's equivalent:

	Green points	Teams
ROGLIC Primoz	428	0
ACKERMANN Pascal	195	0
MARTIN Daniel	163	7
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	157	14
WOODS Michael	152	11
PHILIPSEN Jasper	142	2
GAUDU David	140	15
WELLENS Tim	140	3
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc	120	6
CARTHY Hugh	111	1
BENNETT Sam	110	1
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion	95	4
CORT NIELSEN Magnus	77	6
MARTIN Guillaume	75	2
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix	73	2
VLASOV Aleksandr	73	18

And the managers who had them with their Green point classification scores

1	RoteLaterne	682	Martin D, Carapaz, Gaudu, Izagirre Vlasov
2	LosBrolin	642	Martin D, Carapaz, Gaudu, Carthy
3	Fivezzz	612	Woods, Gaudu, Soler, Izagirre, Vlasov
4	Laarsland	595	Woods, Gaudu, Soler, Vlasov, Grossschartner
5	Shalgo	587	Martin D, Woods, Soler, Vlasov
6	SafeBet	576	Woods, Wellens, Gaudu, Vlasov
7	Yellow_Knight	562	Martin D, Woods, Soler, Vlasov
8	Search	561	Woods, Gaudu, Cort, Vlasov
9	Luthor	535	Carapaz, Philipsen, Gaudu
10	Googolplex	512	Gaudu, Bennett, Izaggire, Vlasov, Grossschartner
11	BicycleBoy	493	Martin D, Woods, Vlasov
12	ArchieBoy	490	Carapaz, Gaudu, Soler, Valsov
13	BikeRacer33	488	Carapaz, Gaudu, Soler
14	Northerner	483	Carapaz, Wellens, Cort
15	Otoxiep87	479	Philipsen, Gaudu, Vlasov
16	Bminchow	472	Martin D, Gaudu, Vlasov
17	Armchair_Cyclist	465	Carapaz, Woods, Cort
17	Scrool07	465	Carapaz, Woods, Cort
19	Vladimir	443	Carapaz, Gaudu, Vlasov
20	Comodoro	424	Carapaz, Gaudu, Vlasov
21	Kazistuta	396	Gaudu, Izagirre
22	Nakazar	342	Wellens Vlasov
23	Leadbelly	340	Martin D, Vlasov
24	Salvarani	332	Woods and Cort
25	Triley36	331	Carapaz, Cort
26	AmisVelo	330	Carapaz, Vlasov
27	Mellow_Velo	302	Woods, MartinG
28	BluesInTheBottle	237	Carapaz
29	Del1962	236	Carapaz
30	ChrisDK	225	Martin G, Vlasov
31	Koronin	142	None of the above: Mas (54) best
32	RedheadDane	67	( Best: Poels/Oliveira, 25pts)
	Collective_Wisdom	424	Carapaz, Gaudu, Vlasov

Main game scorers Let's set 100 points as the cut off

CQ name	stage pts	Red jersey	GC	pts	KoM	TOTAL	Teams
ROGLIC Primoz	428	216	500	70	7	1221	0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	157	90	375	40	25	687	14
MARTIN Daniel	163		265	25	1	454	7
CARTHY Hugh	111		315	15	5	446	1
GAUDU David	140		165	0	15	320	15
MAS NICOLAU Enric	54		240	1	0	295	27
MARTIN Guillaume	75		96	10	70	251	2
POELS Wout	25		215	0	0	240	7
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix	73		150	0	0	223	2
ACKERMANN Pascal	195		15	7	0	217	0
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	17		190	0	0	207	4
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc	120		74	3	0	197	6
WELLENS Tim	140		15	0	40	195	3
VLASOV Aleksandr	73		120	0	0	193	18
WOODS Michael	152		36	2	3	193	11
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro	50		135	0	0	185	4
PHILIPSEN Jasper	142		15	5	0	162	2
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion	95		46	0	0	141	4
BENNETT Sam	110		15	0	0	125	1
BENNETT George	8		112	0	0	120	0
KUSS Sepp	17		84	0	10	111	5
MÄDER Gino	40		66	0	0	106	0
NIEVE ITURRALDE Mikel	0		104	0	0	104	1
BARTA William	40		60	0	0	100	0

And how they helped each manager:

1	LosBrolin	2424	Carapaz, Martin D, Carthy, Gaudu, Mas, De La Cruz
2	RoteLaterne	2090	Carapaz, Martin D, Gaudu, Mas, Vlasov, Izagirre
3	Luthor	1926	Carapaz, Gaudu, Mas, Poels, De La Cruz, Izagirre
4	BikeRacer33	1625	Carapaz, Gaudu, Mas, Soler, Kuss
5	Shalgo	1587	Martin D, Mas, Poels, Soler, Vlasov, Woods
6	Comodoro	1549	Carapaz, Gaudu, Mas, Vlasov
7	Scrool07	1537	Carapaz, Mas, Poels, Woods
8	Armchair_Cyclist	1522	Carapaz, Mas, Poels, Woods
9	ArchieBoy	1450	Carapaz, Gaudu, Soler, Vlasov
10	Fivezzz	1436	Gaudu, Mas, Grossschartner, Soler, Vlasov, Woods
11	BicycleBoy	1416	Martin D, Mas, Poels, Vlasov, Woods
12	AmisVelo	1375	Carapaz, Mas, Vlasov, Kuss
13	Yellow_Knight	1362	MartinD, Mas, Soler, Vlasov, Woods
14	Northerner	1354	Carapaz, Mas, Wellens
15	Search	1338	Gaudu, Mas, Vlasov, Woods, Valverde
16	Bminchow	1334	Martin D, Gaudu, Mas, Vlasov
17	Vladimir	1333	Carapaz, Gaudu, Vlasov
18	SafeBet	1322	Gaudu, Mas, Wellens, Vlasov, Woods, Kuss
19	Del1962	1267	Carapaz, Mas, Poels
20	Otoxiep87	1245	Gaudu, Mas, De La Cruz, Vlasov, Philipsen
21	Triley36	1241	Carapaz, Mas, Kuss
22	Leadbelly	1157	Martin D, Mas, Vlasov, Valverde
23	Laarsland	1074	Gaudu, Soler, Vlasov, Woods, Izagirre
24	Googolplex	1068	Gaudu, Grossschartner, Vlasov, Izagirre, Bennett S
25	BluesInTheBottle	1062	Carapaz, Mas
26	Kazistuta	1013	Gaudu, Mas, Valverde, Izagirre
27	ChrisDK	1005	Mas, Martin G, De La Cruz, Vlasov
28	Nakazar	838	Mas, Wellens, Vlasov
29	Mellow_Velo	820	Mas, Martin G, Woods
30	Salvarani	769	Mas, Woods
31	Koronin	701	Mas, Valverde, Nieve
32	RedheadDane	521	Poels, Kuss
	Collective_Wisdom	1540	Carapaz, Gaudu, Mas, Vlasov

Best returns

	Points	Cost	%age return	Teams
ARENSMAN Thymen	57	8	713	0
DELAGE Mickaël	15	5	300	0
MOLENAAR Alex	15	5	300	0
SCHILLINGER Andreas	15	5	300	1
WURF Cameron	15	5	300	0
DONOVAN Mark	43	15	287	0
MÄDER Gino	106	42	252	0
GOOSSENS Kobe	56	24	233	0
PALUTA Michal	15	7	214	0
WRIGHT Fred	30	15	200	0
GAUDU David	320	164	195	15
BARTA William	100	57	175	0
KANTER Max	70	42	167	2
CARTHY Hugh	446	286	156	1
FERRON Valentin	15	10	150	0
SUTHERLAND Rory	15	10	150	1
MARTIN Daniel	454	324	140	7
AMEZQUETA MORENO Julen	16	12	133	0
MATE MARDONES Luis Angel	58	44	132	1
POELS Wout	240	185	130	7
OURSELIN Paul	15	13	115	0
CORT NIELSEN Magnus	92	86	107	6
DAVIES Scott	15	15	100	0
FROOME Chris	15	15	100	16
GARRISON Ian	15	15	100	0
OWEN Logan	15	15	100	0
VAN DEN BERG Julius	15	15	100	0

I had wondered whether anyone would consider a team with Roglic, although that would only have left 1.9% of the budget for the rest of the team. But a decent, although not great (11th in both Green classification and overall), team could have been composed

	Price	Score	Green Score
ROGLIC Primoz	3433	1221	428
MÄDER Gino	42	106	40
ARENSMAN Thymen	8	57	32
DELAGE Mickaël	5	15	0
MOLENAAR Alex	5	15	0
SCHILLINGER Andreas	5	15	0
GENIEZ Alexandre	0	0	0
SALMON Martin	0	0	0

	3498	1429	500

Wurf could have replaced Delage, Molenaar or Schillinger.

But the best possible team within budget was:


CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio	1281	687	157
MARTIN Daniel	324	454	163
CARTHY Hugh	286	446	111
GAUDU David	164	320	140
MAS NICOLAU Enric	611	295	54
POELS Wout	185	240	25
GROSSSCHARTNER Felix	294	223	73
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David	244	207	17

	3389	2872	740

Impeccable Picks

ROGLIC Primoz

CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio

MARTIN Daniel

CARTHY Hugh

GAUDU David

MÄDER Gino

ARENSMAN Thymen

DELAGE Mickaël/ MOLENAAR Alex/ SCHILLINGER Andreas/ WURF Cameron

del1962 · Nov 17, 2020

Was it possible to pick Roglic and get 7 other riders in, ar over 3400 points

Armchair cyclist · Nov 18, 2020

del1962 said:
Was it possible to pick Roglic and get 7 other riders in, ar over 3400 points

Like the team featuring Roglic in the post immediately above yours, you mean?

del1962 · Nov 18, 2020

Armchair cyclist said:
Like the team featuring Roglic in the post immediately above yours, you mean?

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