2020 World Championships - now confirmed for Imola, Italy.

[Valv.Piti]

Mendrisio was more dominant.

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Had Larsson not started ahead of Cancellara the margin to second would have been 2 minutes plus.

Exactly, thats why I said I was sure I had forgot some better ones, but I just remember that TT for random reasons.

 

[Leinster]

Exactly. I’ve no objection to them as stand alone events, but in a GT they are just an award of free time to GC riders on rich teams.

There's a lot that goes into TTTs, we've seen enough results down the years to show that it isn't just a case of the big money squads buying bigger engines. Even Garmin were one of the top TTT teams for a few years; it's a lot more about cohesion between riders and keeping the rotation going so the speed never drops. Whenever we've seen a team full of climbers lose buckets of time in a TTT, there's always footage of them coming out of corners disjointed, spreading across the road, getting caught out when the wind changes etc.

 

[Red Rick]

It's very hard to ignore the massive leap Ganna has made the last 6 months.

 

[Amazinmets87]

He's dead right. 35 minutes in the saddle is a sprint-course championship. It ought to minimum 1 hour. With minimum 250m of elevation change. And at least 8 90degree or greater corners.

Yea, I was really surprised when I saw how short and flat the course was.

General question: Do cycling fans believe the course should ever be hilly to the degree where a non-ITT specialist has the opportunity to win the rainbow jersey?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Did Evenepoel beat him in a meaningful TT or at some early season Mickey Mouse race?

Only time Ganna beat Evenepoel was when Evenepoel was only pro for a few months, overweight, and had been in the break the entire day before, in Romandië. Since then, it's been pretty clear.

Also this was when Evenepoel hadn't changed back to using a smaller gear. After coming from the juniors, he was freed from using restricted gears and he tried using bigger gears in the first ITT's at the pro's. After the ITT in the Baloise Belgium Tour, he reverted back to using smaller gears, after concluding bigger wasn't better after all.

 

[Volderke]

It wasn't 'superflat' as they had some 25-30k/hr lumps in the end (6-7%). That's quite a difference if you go into that last part at 60k/hr cruising speed.

 

[roundabout]

Yea, I was really surprised when I saw how short and flat the course was.

General question: Do cycling fans believe the course should ever be hilly to the degree where a non-ITT specialist has the opportunity to win the rainbow jersey?

Bergen ended with a 10-minute climb (over 1/5 of total riding time). That's probably about as far as it should go in terms of balance.

 

[Leinster]

General question: Do cycling fans believe the course should ever be hilly to the degree where a non-ITT specialist has the opportunity to win the rainbow jersey?

Absolutely not.

But it shouldn't just be a case of launching a high-wattage aero missile down a highway either.

 

[roundabout]

It's very hard to ignore the massive leap Ganna has made the last 6 months.

Yeah, a 3 s/km improvement over Campenaerts YoY in the Tirreno TT is huge.

 

[Leinster]

CONGRATS Ganna!
-Ganna won on the bike that Dennis claimed he couldn't win on!
Wout!

Wait, has Rohan been complaining about the Pinarello now, too?

 

[Big Doopie]

Did Evenepoel beat him in a meaningful TT or at some early season Mickey Mouse race?

right. i forgot nothing that remco has achieved or won, or any race that he has competed in has ever been meaningful.

and i also forgot that he is always at absolute max shape, while every other competitor is either in training or simply does not care to even try.

some people just love to hate.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I think with Dennis it's a mental thing, he just wants a certain setup.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Yeah, a 3 s/km improvement over Campenaerts YoY in the Tirreno TT is huge.

And also what makes the conviction of the Evenepoel squad that whatever Ganna does Remco will always be better in the ITT so strange. Riders don’t follow fixed trajectories and even when playing what ifs you have to use development versus third parties as a yardstick.

Maybe Evenepoel would have been great here. Maybe. Or maybe he’d have been blasted out of it every time the wind hit his wheels like all the other lighter guys (who are of course all heavier than him). Maybe. One of the things about the sport though is that you don’t get to find out if you randomly fall off your bike and injure yourself.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

right. i forgot nothing that remco has achieved or won, or any race that he has competed in has ever been meaningful.

and i also forgot that he is always at absolute max shape, while every other competitor is either in training or simply does not care to even try.

some people just love to hate.

Where’s the hate?

 

[Volderke]

Where’s the hate?

While this wasn't the ideal course for Remco, and I believe Ganna would still have been the favourite and winner, your comment about Remco having done any better than Ganna (besides some Mickey mouse TT) indicates either you don't know what happened in the last WC or EC TT, or you know and you are just trying to troll.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

There's a lot that goes into TTTs, we've seen enough results down the years to show that it isn't just a case of the big money squads buying bigger engines. Even Garmin were one of the top TTT teams for a few years; it's a lot more about cohesion between riders and keeping the rotation going so the speed never drops. Whenever we've seen a team full of climbers lose buckets of time in a TTT, there's always footage of them coming out of corners disjointed, spreading across the road, getting caught out when the wind changes etc.

Sure, you can minimise disadvantages through practice, you can pick a team of big lumps, etc. But we all know that big rich teams with high quality domestiques throughout dominate the upper reaches of TTTs in GTs and financially poorer teams with more uneven squads dominate the lower reaches and that just hands free time to GC riders on rich teams. Which is completely undesirable when those riders are already advantaged in so many ways.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

While this wasn't the ideal course for Remco, and I believe Ganna would still have been the favourite and winner, your comment about Remco having done any better than Ganna (besides some Mickey mouse TT) indicates either you don't know what happened in the last WC or EC TT, or you know and you are just trying to troll.

It was a question not a comment. I don’t obsessively track TT results

 

[jmdirt]

Wait, has Rohan been complaining about the Pinarello now, too?

Merida

 

[Red Rick]

By cherry picking and extrapolating we can arrive at any conclusion we want tbh.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

right. i forgot nothing that remco has achieved or won, or any race that he has competed in has ever been meaningful.

and i also forgot that he is always at absolute max shape, while every other competitor is either in training or simply does not care to even try.

some people just love to hate.

Has everyone already forgotten the ITT from a week ago? Beating today's WC second and third on the flats, setting the record on the climb...

 

[Mayomaniac]

I put 10€ on Fuglsang for sunday, 11/1 for him on this route is just too good.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Merida

Surely Ganna was on a Pinarello also?

 

[Bonimenier]

Has everyone already forgotten the ITT from a week ago? Beating today's WC second and third on the flats, setting the record on the climb...

Only the second. Kung already quit the Tour before the time trial.

 

[spalco]

right. i forgot nothing that remco has achieved or won, or any race that he has competed in has ever been meaningful.

and i also forgot that he is always at absolute max shape, while every other competitor is either in training or simply does not care to even try.

some people just love to hate.

I agree with you, but Remco isn't here.

If we're going to claim Evenepoel would've won every race he was supposed to participate in from now until whenever he's coming back, it'll get annoying very fast.

 

[Volderke]

It was a question not a comment. I don’t obsessively track TT results

OK, so it was no disrespect towards Remco, you're just not following very closely who got 1st in EC and 2nd in WC last year.
It's just that I expected some basic knowledge if you're commenting at a 3 post/day rate for the last 10 years, I guess I overestimated this! My fault!