2021 Trentino European Championships 8-12 September

[Krzysztof_O]

And this after Urska improved her time trialing significantly...

Pogi was worried that she would ride a faster lap than him.

 

[noob]

I am excited about this still. My own (small) town is even well represented in this competition. (I try to keep anonymous here) The sad thing is we are not a cycling nation at all. But fun for them to meet with the pros I think. So I am happy still.

 

[noob]

Anyway, for the mttr Ganna + Longo Borghini sound like such a cheat, I doubt anyone will get catch them.

Sadly no Longo on the mixed relay. I don't understand why :O

 

[noob]

I don't really think Pogacar will pogacar, but Mohoric might use Roglic and Pogacar as smoke-screens and snatch the win.

I'd be thrilled to see Pog as a domestique for Mohoric. That would be such a weird twist. But I doubt it will happen. Also no Tratnik sadly.

 

[BlueRoads]

Side observation that apart from RedheadDane probably nobody is interested in: There seems to be a lack of firstnames in Europe. One would think there are more and more names out there, but the entry list for the men's junior road race shows:
Austria has two Florians and two Maximilians,
the Czech Republic two Jakubs and two Tomas' (okay, Tomas and Tomáš),
France two Pauls,
Italy two Filippos,
Lithuania two Mantas',
the Netherlands two Tims,
Portugal two Fábios and two Pedros,
Spain two Xabiers (okay, Xabier and Xabier Mikel)
and the Ukraine two Andriis.

For the girls the situation seems a bit better,
two Hannahs for Austria (Austria seems especially bad off in this regard),
two Darias and Maria/ Mariias for Russia,
two Laras for Slovenia...

until you realize they have so few names over all they decided to put the U23 list in the junior race category as well.

 

[BlueRoads]

Sadly no Longo on the mixed relay. I don't understand why :O

I thought that too first, but look at the next page

 

[tobydawq]

We can keep it about cycling then. Why not a 60 m ITT? It would be equally difficult as one of 60 km.

It would be too much about acceleration and reaction time. Plus we have the track for that. And there's no teadition for that type of race in the sport.

Any other dumb questions?

 

[Netserk]

It would be too much about acceleration and reaction time. Plus we have the track for that. And there's no teadition for that type of race in the sport.

Any other dumb questions?

How much is too much?

 

[tobydawq]

How much is too much?

23 percent.

 

[Breezy1985]

How much is too much?

I want an ITT over the Trouee d'Arenberg in the tour some day soon

 

[Netserk]

23 percent.

And how much is it for 60 m? Or rather: What distance would have it at 23 percent?

We've seen short ITTs before, all the way down to 1 km, so wouldn't that be just as good as one of 60 km?

You still have to be the fastest of the field. Equally difficult whether it's 4 kms or 80. Just a different type of test.

It certainly wasn't obvious that there was a lower limit for what distance the logic of your post would cover.

 

[tobydawq]

And how much is it for 60 m? Or rather: What distance would have it at 23 percent?

We've seen short ITTs before, all the way down to 1 km, so wouldn't that be just as good as one of 60 km?

You're not hearing me arguing it wouldn't.

Couldn't they also ride 500 kms? What is so special about 50?

 

[Netserk]

You have alluded to the answer yourself. Tradition.

Not that previous events are holy scripture, but because their qualities made them tradition in the first place. And a stand alone ITT of one hour is better than one of one minute.

 

[WaterMelonSugar]

It will be possible see online the junior time-trial or no transmission??

 

[noob]

It will be possible see online the junior time-trial or no transmission??

I cannot find it on Discovery+ at least, sadly. And nowhere else either :O I hope they fix it!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Side observation that apart from RedheadDane probably nobody is interested in: There seems to be a lack of firstnames in Europe. One would think there are more and more names out there, but the entry list for the men's junior road race shows:
Austria has two Florians and two Maximilians,
the Czech Republic two Jakubs and two Tomas' (okay, Tomas and Tomáš),
France two Pauls,
Italy two Filippos,
Lithuania two Mantas',
the Netherlands two Tims,
Portugal two Fábios and two Pedros,
Spain two Xabiers (okay, Xabier and Xabier Mikel)
and the Ukraine two Andriis.

For the girls the situation seems a bit better,
two Hannahs for Austria (Austria seems especially bad off in this regard),
two Darias and Maria/ Mariias for Russia,
two Laras for Slovenia...

until you realize they have so few names over all they decided to put the U23 list in the junior race category as well.

Poland has three Damians in its mixed TTT squad.

 

[noob]

Side observation that apart from RedheadDane probably nobody is interested in: There seems to be a lack of firstnames in Europe. One would think there are more and more names out there, but the entry list for the men's junior road race shows:
Austria has two Florians and two Maximilians,
the Czech Republic two Jakubs and two Tomas' (okay, Tomas and Tomáš),
France two Pauls,
Italy two Filippos,
Lithuania two Mantas',
the Netherlands two Tims,
Portugal two Fábios and two Pedros,
Spain two Xabiers (okay, Xabier and Xabier Mikel)
and the Ukraine two Andriis.

For the girls the situation seems a bit better,
two Hannahs for Austria (Austria seems especially bad off in this regard),
two Darias and Maria/ Mariias for Russia,
two Laras for Slovenia...

until you realize they have so few names over all they decided to put the U23 list in the junior race category as well.

Not just redhead danes. Also noobs.

 

[tobydawq]

You have alluded to the answer yourself. Tradition.

Not that previous events are holy scripture, but because their qualities made them tradition in the first place. And a stand alone ITT of one hour is better than one of one minute.

Hmm. Perhaps, but I was more referring to what is tradition in the sport as a whole, and not just in championships.

And I just don't see why people need to whine so much every time a championship TT is a little bit shorter than in the good old days. Because why is it reasonable for the road race to shift characteristics each year and then expect that the TT must be the same? Why shouldn't that be fluid too and cater to different types?

Note: I'm of course not really advocating for a very short TT in a major championship but my point stands that it is just as difficult to beat everybody else whether the TT has a length of 10 or 60 kms.

 

[Netserk]

People (that is: I) complain just the same about the length of the road race. By your logic the road race could just as well consist of only one lap. (And a GT of only one stage?)

 

[Sciatic]

Hmm. Perhaps, but I was more referring to what is tradition in the sport as a whole, and not just in championships.

And I just don't see why people need to whine so much every time a championship TT is a little bit shorter than in the good old days. Because why is it reasonable for the road race to shift characteristics each year and then expect that the TT must be the same? Why shouldn't that be fluid too and cater to different types?

Note: I'm of course not really advocating for a very short TT in a major championship but my point stands that it is just as difficult to beat everybody else whether the TT has a length of 10 or 60 kms.

Well, there definitely is long-standing tradition to consider.

 

[tobydawq]

People (that is: I) complain just the same about the length of the road race. By your logic the road race could just as well consist of only one lap. (And a GT of only one stage?)

Hardly.

 

[Remy55]

It will be possible see online the junior time-trial or no transmission??

It looks like RAI Sport has it on their schedule.

 

[SafeBet]

WJ ITT

Alena Ivanchenko
Antonia Niedermaier 32"
Elise Uijen 53"

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Alena Ivanchenko has become the first 2021 European champion after winning the junior ITT in front of junior world ski mountaineering champion Antonia Niedermaier (GER) and last year's winner and upcoming DSM rider Elsie Uijen (NL).
Ivanchenko also won three titles at the world track championships last week.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Alec Segaert beat Uijtdebroeks, though the latter closed 2/3 of the gap from the intermediate. Eddy Le Huitouze took the bronze medal. Madis Mihkels from Estonia was in third place after the intermediate, but something must have happened to him cause he lost more than a minute in the second part.