2022 Vuelta a Burgos (2/8 - 6/8)

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Very difficult to reconcile this image:
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"I really didnt have idea of the huge carnage behind us"
Did Affini really think he had simply ridden the rest of the peloton off his wheel when he saw the gap we see him looking at there?
Well you can be aware of a crash without knowing the magnitude of that particular crash.

Celebration in front crashes is very common, because crashes in sprints are common.
 
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lol.

The slime in the tube is there for a reason, and it enables you to ride further until it is no longer possible. With a silly argument like yours, you could also say that when a rider's handlebar, or his frame or his saddle, breaks off in the final 3k, that the cause of the incident will definitely have manifested sooner and therefore should not count.

Of course, I thought it was deeply ridiculous that Alaphilippe didn't get s.t. back then too. Sorry if it was looking like I meant what I wrote.
 
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Very difficult to reconcile this image:
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with these words:
"I really didnt have idea of the huge carnage behind us"
Did Affini really think he had simply ridden the rest of the peloton off his wheel when he saw the gap we see him looking at there?

The new Man United manager really has had an influence on Jumbo ;)
 
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Very difficult to reconcile this image:
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with these words:
"I really didnt have idea of the huge carnage behind us"
Did Affini really think he had simply ridden the rest of the peloton off his wheel when he saw the gap we see him looking at there?
Three of a kind across the line doesn't occur that often.
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But like others have said, you can hear a crash that loud on top of no more sound of other riders around you.

But about what are we arguing here... surely they know something/crash happened behind them when they see no one close to their wheels... isn't the whole point of being in good position on the front to be ahead of a possible crash, that can often happen in a sprint finish, and not behind? To create your own luck and then if you win, you celebrate... a non issue... The problem here is do they know that the crash was caused by their teammate (a terrible bike handler btw) who then blocked the whole peloton, and the magnitude of consequences of it? With those speeds and without TV image angle I doubt it... Harper was behind Dekker and he knew what happened so didn't celebrate, the other two were ahead... But the justice is quickly served on the internet by people looking from afar and it surely doesn't help them wearing those black-and-yellow jerseys after dominating Tour with getting sympathy from aforementioned jury...
 
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We all know here about road management, there's no need for a lecture on it. If the finish line in a certain town can only exist with a bump in a part downhill road, so close to the sprint line, then perhaps the finish can't be in said town. Rider safety needs to be considered and better solutions need to be found. I'm not necessarily blaming the organisers, I'm sure they tried their best to organise this little Vuelta, but I hope they learn from what can only be called a gross mistake.
Maybe trade unions or project bosses make this difficult to do in Spain (or for a smaller town) but I constantly see construction crews tear up a perfectly good section of roadway so new power lines or sewer pipes can be installed, and then repave it the same day. It would not have been logistically difficult to tear out the bump and smooth over half the roadway, put warning cones on the other half, and then repave it after the race. That's not possible with road furniture but a speed bump is a different story. Maybe that seems like it's too much expense, but they paid to have the finish their, it seems like that would be a reasonable extra expense. Obviously routing the course on different roads would be even easier.
 
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But about what are we arguing here... surely they know something/crash happened behind them when they see no one close to their wheels... isn't the whole point of being in good position on the front to be ahead of a possible crash, that can often happen in a sprint finish, and not behind? To create your own luck and then if you win, you celebrate... a non issue... The problem here is do they know that the crash was caused by their teammate (a terrible bike handler btw) who then blocked the whole peloton, and the magnitude of consequences of it? With those speeds and without TV image angle I doubt it... Harper was behind Dekker and he knew what happened so didn't celebrate, the other two were ahead... But the justice is quickly served on the internet by people looking from afar and it surely doesn't help them wearing those black-and-yellow jerseys after dominating Tour with getting sympathy from aforementioned jury...
But it was first being argued they didn’t know there was a crash, then that they didn’t know it was that bad. We’re saying that’s crazy they couldn’t figure out it was that bad of a crash. Affini either looked back twice after the crash or he and Roosen looked back once. You can hear a huge crash like that happening. You then have two visuals of no one there. Maybe they even looked back more off screen when it was still showing the crash. Like @Armchair cyclist said, did Affini really think he rode everyone but his teammate off his wheel.

And no, the rider that crashed could have been from any team and what is being said would have been the same.
 
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But about what are we arguing here... surely they know something/crash happened behind them when they see no one close to their wheels... isn't the whole point of being in good position on the front to be ahead of a possible crash, that can often happen in a sprint finish, and not behind? To create your own luck and then if you win, you celebrate... a non issue... The problem here is do they know that the crash was caused by their teammate (a terrible bike handler btw) who then blocked the whole peloton, and the magnitude of consequences of it? With those speeds and without TV image angle I doubt it... Harper was behind Dekker and he knew what happened so didn't celebrate, the other two were ahead... But the justice is quickly served on the internet by people looking from afar and it surely doesn't help them wearing those black-and-yellow jerseys after dominating Tour with getting sympathy from aforementioned jury...
Agreed. I've got no issue with the celebrating. Sure, it looked a little off to all of us at home who saw the whole thing happen but I'm certainly not going to criticize them for that.

You can see the front rider for Jumbo signaling the speed bump but at that speed it just wasn't in time, unfortunately.
 
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lol, both looked back. So even if they didn't hear it, which i do not believe for a millisecond, they very well knew. They didn't know how bad it was? Well, there were 4 of their team in front, and one is missing, that means the crash happened A/ to/with their missing teammate B/in the very front of the peloton. So they knew there was a crash, and with a crash in a sprint you know it can potentially be bad. Furthermore, their teammate missing should have been enough not to start cheering like idiots. Also, what is there to cheer about? Yay, we won a race because everybody else crashed, but let's pretend we didn't hear, see or understand what was happening when suddenly nobody else was following or sprinting? Good show boys. A proud moment to cherish.

I can understand that they were a bit confused and everything happened so fast, and riders, especially those that don't win too often, have their DNA modified to cheer when crossing the line. Just don't expect me to buy that hogwash that they had no idea what happened.
 
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lol, both looked back. So even if they didn't hear it, which i do not believe for a millisecond, they very well knew. They didn't know how bad it was? Well, there were 4 of their team in front, and one is missing, that means the crash happened A/ to/with their missing teammate B/in the very front of the peloton. So they knew there was a crash, and with a crash in a sprint you know it can potentially be bad. Furthermore, their teammate missing should have been enough not to start cheering like idiots. Also, what is there to cheer about? Yay, we won a race because everybody else crashed, but let's pretend we didn't hear, see or understand what was happening when suddenly nobody else was following or sprinting? Good show boys. A proud moment to cherish.

I can understand that they were a bit confused and everything happened so fast, and riders, especially those that don't win too often, have their DNA modified to cheer when crossing the line. Just don't expect me to buy that hogwash that they had no idea what happened.

Yeah, I mean, even if they didn't hear or managed to see much of it, they are surely capable of putting two and two together - crash at 70kph in a bump speed at the front of the peloton in a downhill road, what can happen? I don't even mind them celebrating, a win is a win, in particular for Roosen and Affini, but please spare us of the WCC/OC/TdF style celebration, it's just bad taste.
 
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Van Wilder usually isn't the luckiest guy on the planet. Crashes, covid, stomach flu, broken jaw... His season has been riddled with tough luck. Previous seasons didn't go much better.

Today again it didn't seem to go his way, with a puncture in the final 7k. But the slime in his tube made it possible to continue for 4k until he was safe to change tires due to the 3k rule. Considering he usually finishes in the first part of the bunch, it is safe to say he might have been saved from disaster today.

Looks like he transferred his bad luck to his teammates this race. Ballerini and Steimle both DNS because of the crash yesterday and today the stagiair Raccani is DNF because of a crash as well.

In all seriousness I hope he does well this race and has a good second part of the season without any bad luck.
 
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There's no way they knew what went on behind them.
Van Wilder usually isn't the luckiest guy on the planet. Crashes, covid, stomach flu, broken jaw... His season has been riddled with tough luck. Previous seasons didn't go much better.

Today again it didn't seem to go his way, with a puncture in the final 7k. But the slime in his tube made it possible to continue for 4k until he was safe to change tires due to the 3k rule. Considering he usually finishes in the first part of the bunch, it is safe to say he might have been saved from disaster today.
Van Wilder is not in his best form yet. After the many setbacks of the last few months and even weeks. Therefore, no top performance can be expected at all. Losing some time every now and then, due to adversity or because he is still short, has no interest. I do expect him to be in form at the start of the Vuelta. He will have to work there for his leader Evenepoel. But it could well be that he turns out to be better than Evenepoel during the second half of the Vuelta. That can be an important indication to play Van Wilder as leader in a small stage race next season, or even in the Vuelta.