2023 National Championships

[Rob5091]

It does n't matter if you're a sh*t hot rider if you're outnumbered - chapeau van Baarle & Jumbo at Dutch NC's.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Local hero Lampaert could easily have won himself, but he decided to give it to one of his helpers.

 

[Boehmand]

Only Belgium really enforces such a rule - and AFAIK the only possible sanction is not getting selected for races the federation determines the team for - i.e. European championships and Worlds.

In Denmark it's the norm that GC riders doing the Tour stay away from Nationals, because riding in Denmark is usually not conducive to optimum Tour preparation.

That being said, Vingegaard is an odd duck... he also said no to getting selected for Worlds last year, despite the route suiting him excellently.

Continuing in that vein, it hit the news in Denmark today, that Vingegaard has told the federation he will not be available for Worlds, because it doesn't suit his "plans" - for the 2nd year in a row

It is creating a lot of anger, and some people are talking about the federation not selecting him, when it DOES suit his "plans" and the route suits him, simply because he doesn't deserve it, when he can't be bothered to step up for other Danes in championship races.

Public opinion is a fickle beast, and he should be careful how he manages it...

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The Albanian federation could have used a much simpler method than the one they went with.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1673322059298897922

View: https://twitter.com/faustocoppi60/status/1673322059298897922/photo/1

 

[RedheadDane]

It is creating a lot of anger, and some people are talking about the federation not selecting him, when it DOES suit his "plans" and the route suits him, simply because he doesn't deserve it, when he can't be bothered to step up for other Danes in championship races.

There was some talk - I think it was during one of the studio segment from the Giro - that it might actually be smarter of him to just say he's available, but then Bennekou and Lund would obviously not pick him, when they have plenty of other, more suitable, riders to pick from.

 

[Boehmand]

There was some talk - I think it was during one of the studio segment from the Giro - that it might actually be smarter of him to just say he's available, but then Bennekou and Lund would obviously not pick him, when they have plenty of other, more suitable, riders to pick from.

I agree.

But I hate everything about a selfish rider, saying he WON'T step up for his country, because he has "other plans".

It makes me wish Skjelmose will kick his ass at the Tour (not at all realistic, but the emotion is there).

Imagine how the Belgians would react, if Evenepoel said he couldn't be bothered to ride Worlds, because he had better things to do... he'd get crucified.

 

[RedheadDane]

I agree.

But I hate everything about a selfish rider, saying he WON'T step up for his country, because he has "other plans".

It makes me wish Skjelmose will kick his ass at the Tour (not at all realistic, but the emotion is there).

Imagine how the Belgians would react, if Evenepoel said he couldn't be bothered to ride Worlds, because he had better things to do... he'd get crucified.

Eeeh, I don't care. Denmark has plenty of other qualified riders, but only one who can win the TdF - for now.

 

[DNP-Old]

Continuing in that vein, it hit the news in Denmark today, that Vingegaard has told the federation he will not be available for Worlds, because it doesn't suit his "plans" - for the 2nd year in a row

It is creating a lot of anger, and some people are talking about the federation not selecting him, when it DOES suit his "plans" and the route suits him, simply because he doesn't deserve it, when he can't be bothered to step up for other Danes in championship races.

Public opinion is a fickle beast, and he should be careful how he manages it...

I agree. When the time comes and the UCI, UEC or Olympic Committee bless us with a climber friendly route, I hope the Danish Federation gives him the finger. Same with Spain and Enric Mas, for instance.

What plans does Vingegaard even have, finishing 18th in Lombardia again?

 

[Boehmand]

Eeeh, I don't care. Denmark has plenty of other qualified riders, but only one who can win the TdF - for now.

I care that riders are prepared to step up for Denmark, even if it is in service of another Dane, when called upon to do so by the national coach.

I simply do not understand the mentality to not be prepared to make that (small) sacrifice.

 

[Boehmand]

I agree. When the time comes and the UCI, UEC or Olympic Committee bless us with a climber friendly route, I hope the Danish Federation gives him the finger. Same with Spain and Enric Mas, for instance.

What plans does Vingegaard even have, finishing 18th in Lombardia again?

Preach

 

[RedheadDane]

I care that riders are prepared to step up for Denmark, even if it is in service of another Dane, when called upon to do so by the national coach.

I simply do not understand the mentality to not be prepared to make that (small) sacrifice.

I just think the best suited riders should go, and don't care about any talking about "owing other".

 

[Boehmand]

I just think the best suited riders should go, and don't care about any talking about "owing other".

IMO that decision rests with the national coach, not with a rider saying he won't ride for his country.

 

[Netserk]

He hasn't ridden for the national team in the time he has been with Jumbo. Last appearance was the U-23 WCRR in Innsbruck.

He doesn't own the federation anything, and if he wants to pass on opportunities like Tokyo, fine if that suits him better.

 

[theyoungest]

I agree. When the time comes and the UCI, UEC or Olympic Committee bless us with a climber friendly route, I hope the Danish Federation gives him the finger. Same with Spain and Enric Mas, for instance.

What plans does Vingegaard even have, finishing 18th in Lombardia again?

Rather than finishing 28th at the Worlds, you mean?

Vingegaard isn't a one day racer. You'll be the first to lambast him when he fails at the Worlds.

 

[DNP-Old]

Rather than finishing 28th at the Worlds, you mean?

Vingegaard isn't a one day racer. You'll be the first to lambast him when he fails at the Worlds.

I can respect a guy who comes up short yet tries, I cannot respect someone to throw the towel prematurely(!). That's a losers mentality and not something I wish to support. Vingegaard cannot be bothered to show up and signs out weeks before the event even takes place, but if tomorrow, next week or in two years the route magically turns into Sallanches 1980 or Duitama '95, then he'd be interested? No, thank you.

 

[Boehmand]

Rather than finishing 28th at the Worlds, you mean?

Vingegaard isn't a one day racer. You'll be the first to lambast him when he fails at the Worlds.

The point is not riding to win it for yourself, the point is being prepared to ride for your country, if called upon.

It's about being willing to give a little back, rather than being selfish.

 

[RedheadDane]

I can respect a guy who comes up short yet tries, I cannot respect someone to throw the towel prematurely(!). That's a losers mentality and not something I wish to support.

Or it's called "knowing what you're good at".

The point is not riding to win it for yourself, the point is being prepared to ride for your country, if called upon.

Meh. Wearing the national team jersey isn't some honour-thing.

 

[DNP-Old]

Or it's called "knowing what you're good at".

Do you think Oliver Zaugg deemed himself good enough to win Lombardia, prior to actually winning it?

 

[RedheadDane]

Do you think Oliver Zaugg deemed himself good enough to win Lombardia, prior to actually winning it?

No, but Vingegaard has found that he's quite good at stage races, so makes sense that he'll focus on those. This idea that all riders should do all types of races is just stupid.

 

[Boehmand]

Meh. Wearing the national team jersey isn't some honour-thing.

Wow

I think most people would disagree with you there.

 

[RedheadDane]

Wow

I think most people would disagree with you there.

I'm sure riders will find it great, but it's not something they're honour-bound to do a certain amount of times. There are no obligations.

 

[theyoungest]

I can respect a guy who comes up short yet tries, I cannot respect someone to throw the towel prematurely(!). That's a losers mentality and not something I wish to support. Vingegaard cannot be bothered to show up and signs out weeks before the event even takes place, but if tomorrow, next week or in two years the route magically turns into Sallanches 1980 or Duitama '95, then he'd be interested? No, thank you.

Right. If a sprinter shows up for the Mont Ventoux Challenge, you think "props for trying" rather than "what the hell is he doing here"?

I guess Vingegaard thinks he has no chance in hell of doing well, and given his track record in one day races, he's probably right about that. I haven't seen the course in detail, but the simple fact that it's in Glasgow doesn't scream "Jonas Vingegaard, top favourite" to me.

 

[Netserk]

The point is not riding to win it for yourself, the point is being prepared to ride for your country, if called upon.

It's about being willing to give a little back, rather than being selfish.

Give back? He gives plenty back to Jumbo.

 

[Netserk]

Vingegaard skipped Tokyo when the route suited him and he would have a free role at least. It's clear that he simply needs no additional obligations afterwards to focus fully on the Tour.

 

[DNP-Old]

No, but Vingegaard has found that he's quite good at stage races, so makes sense that he'll focus on those. This idea that all riders should do all types of races is just stupid.

We're not asking him to race Roubaix.