2023 National Championships

[RedheadDane]

Nor do I insist on anything, I am merely saying there is no need to debate a fundamental difference on "love of country" any further, since clearly neither of us will change it.

I love being from a country that has so many great pro cyclists that riders don't need to ride if they don't feel like it.

 

[tobydawq]

Or it's called "knowing what you're good at".



Meh. Wearing the national team jersey isn't some honour-thing.

Of course it is...

 

[RedheadDane]

Of course it is...

I already explained what I meant. Riders don't have some honour-bound obligation to wear it.

 

[yaco]

Why would Vingegaard be selected on this World's course as he can't be much of a factor - You don't want it to be like Australia continually selecting Porte for World's or Olympics when he had no chance.

 

[RedheadDane]

Why would Vingegaard be selected on this World's course as he can't be much of a factor - You don't want it to be like Australia continually selecting Porte for World's or Olympics when he had no chance.

Apparently the issue is that he was the one saying he's not interested.

 

[DNP-Old]

Has Johan Museeuw handed in his rainbow jersey and gold medal because the route in Lugano didn't suit him yet?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I'm not lecturing anyone, I am offering my opinion on how I believe any athlete should feel about representing their country, when they get the chance.

Nor do I insist on anything, I am merely saying there is no need to debate a fundamental difference on "love of country" any further, since clearly neither of us will change it.

Also I'm pretty sure she can speak for herself.

But if it is " it's none of [our] business if [you] believe in honouring [your] country", why have you been opining so strongly about how Vingegaard should honour his? It's none of our business that you should honour yours, but it is your business that and how Vingegaard should honour his???

 

[RedheadDane]

Has Johan Museeuw handed in his rainbow jersey and gold medal because the route in Lugano didn't suit him yet?

Obviously there's nothing wrong with riders deciding to give it a go in races that might not suit them.
Just like there's nothing wrong with riders deciding that certain races just isn't for them.

 

[theyoungest]

I'm not going to continue this debate with you, we view honour and our country very differently, so it's a pointless debate.

"I've argued myself into a corner, so it's a pointless debate".

As long as your ideas of honor and pride to represent your country align more with those of Kim Jong-un, I think you're always going to find yourself bereft of rational arguments.

 

[Boehmand]

"I've argued myself into a corner, so it's a pointless debate".

As long as your ideas of honor and pride to represent your country align more with those of Kim Jong-un, I think you're always going to find yourself bereft of rational arguments.

Who are you quoting?

The Kim-Jong-un reference is just weird, you don't need to be from a communist dictatorship, to feel pride in representing your country - in fact I'd venture a qualified guess, that almost all athletes selected to represent their country take pride in it - It's the norm, otherwise most wouldn't do it.

 

[Danskebjerge]

The point is not being able to win, the point is stepping up when your country asks you to - if it asks you to.

95 % of the riders riding Worlds, know beforehand they have no chance of winning, but they show up for their country anyway, when called upon.

I dunno what country you are from, but imagine everyone not actually able to win it, just refused to ride because they could not win it.

I agree with you.

It's normal in sports to go to the world championships if you're good enough. Cycling and icehockey are among the few sports where it's a bit different.

I don't buy the explanation that a rider says no to a world championship participation for abstract reasons such as general priorities throughout the year or things like "the race doesn't suit me". 99 out of 100 football players go to the major championships no matter what the circumstances are. And how many tennis players only focus on Wimbledon or French Open? None - even clay court specialists give the grass a chance and the other way around.

 

[Red Rick]

So many shitty comparisons in this debate

 

[Danskebjerge]

So many shitty comparisons in this debate

Give us a good one, please.

 

[Potomac]

LMAO....riding in a national championship is not "representing" your country.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The real reason is that Vingegaard was born in the sea and therefore can't represent any country at the Worlds.

 

[Danskebjerge]

The real reason is that Vingegaard was born in the sea and therefore can't represent any country at the Worlds.

He is out of this world.

 

[yaco]

Apparently the issue is that he was the one saying he's not interested.

And Denmark are dodging a bullet - Just because you win a GT does not mean you can ride a World's.

 

[Riek s]

I can't imagine their is any belgian rider that doesn't want to start in the WCC.

I can imagine them fighting internally, but that is a different topic

 

[Boehmand]

LMAO....riding in a national championship is not "representing" your country.

That's not the topic being debated.

It's about riding the World Championships.

 

[RedheadDane]

I can't imagine their is any belgian rider that doesn't want to start in the WCC.

Didn't Devenyns decline to ride, because he didn't want to have to ride against Alaphilippe, once?

 

[Nick2413]

I think there would maybe be some honor if he could play a major role in the race whether for his own chances or leading out a teammate on a specific parcours, but just appearing in the race to finish 26th isn’t necessarily honorable in itself. But I can sort of see both sides.

 

[ManicJack]

. And how many tennis players only focus on Wimbledon or French Open? None - even clay court specialists give the grass a chance and the other way around.

Because just beating a qualifier in the 1st round =$$

 

[Riek s]

Didn't Devenyns decline to ride, because he didn't want to have to ride against Alaphilippe, once?

I must applaud you on your memory

Found a hit (its not clear that its on WCC since i can't read the article itself, but going from the header... )

Devenyns wilde niet dat ze hem konden vragen om een gat op Alaphilippe dicht te rijden

 

[Danskebjerge]

Because just beating a qualifier in the 1st round =$$

True, but the number of (super rich) top players not bothering is still close to zero.

 

[Eagle_Alps]

Very necessary to show the flags of the riders on the graphics in the Italian Nats...

Well, in the end there where two guys from "the emirates" in front. And the guy who won had written "Kazakhstan" all over his clothes!
So showing the flags was maybe a good idea for the casual sports viewers who are not especially cycling fans....