Tour de France 2023 Tour de France, Stage 1: Bilbao - Bilbao, 182 km (Spain, Saturday, July 1)

[Netserk]

All fun and games until Jumbo and Vinge continue to sink down the Yates coleader trap and Pog follows Vinge all around the race, Puritoing him at the line.

I'm more worried for UAE to sink down in the co-leader trap and thus not use Yates as a helper.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm more worried for UAE to sink down in the co-leader trap and thus not use Yates as a helper.

Kinda funny considering the co leader trick looks like the only thing Pog has over Vingegaard

I fear today bodes really badly for the Pyrenees tbh. Vingo and Pog have the teams to stop each other from getting in the breakaway, and I don't see Vingegaard or Pogacar launching Tourmalet without teammates ahead.

 

[Riek s]

When the hard mountains come, there will be no yates brothers. There will be just pogacar and vingegaard in the front. There's no such thing of co leaders to yates or kelderman. It will be a mano a mano. Everybody will lose a lot of minutes to pogacar and vingegaard in the mountains.

Even in that scenario Yates has a role to play. Vingegaard must ride, Pog does not. In the previous edition it was Pog who tried everything and Vingegaard who took advantage of that.
If yates is ahead and Vingegaard attacks... Pog in his wheel he either:
a) stops riding and yates comes back.
b) keeps riding with pog on his wheel (which he hasn't done once, not even on a flat)

I wouldn't discount Yates usefullness so early. (especially if he has close to 30second gift).
Ofcourse it is still UAE... tactically we have seen some weird *** from them.

 

[bNator]

Vinge needs to drop Pog in order to win the Tour. Meanwhile Pog can just follow wheels & grab bonus seconds.

The very fact Vinge doesn't want to cooperate because his sprint is worse puts him at a tactical disadvantage which I think too many people ignore. At some point Vinge needs to attack (& thus risk a counter attack).

It's what makes Pogačar such a difficult opponent to beat. I mean people can look at the route & ask themselves where Vingegaard is going to drop Pog... meanwhile from UAE's perspective they can ride pretty defensively. And the more time Vinge needs, the more aggressive he'll have to be.

Early days of course but today exposed some weakness in Jumbo in terms of dealing with Pog, Yates & also Van Aert (who is expected to win stages).

Not only that - if Yates gets a couple of more seconds (enough that Vinge won’t be able to grab them back in TT), Jonas will have to drop Yates as well. And on that particular stage it will be Pog who can sit back and relax. Whenever Jonas stops pulling, Pog just waits. So Jonas will have to be pulling… And on that stage it will be dangerous for Vinge. It all depends on how strong Yates is and if he can get a few more seconds in the next couple of stages…

 

[SHAD0W93]

I'm more worried for UAE to sink down in the co-leader trap and thus not use Yates as a helper.

Fair but Adam at least showed with Bernal that he was willing to do the 1-2 attacking. Only way I can see Adam wanting to ride for himself more is if inside the team they know the injury is hampering Pog more.

 

[Netserk]

A minute after the top, Skjelmose and Simon Yates had bridged across, Adam Yates and Gaudu not.

The attack happens shortly afterwards while they show a meaningless replay instead. In 10 seconds Adam Yates goes from being gapped, to being alone in front with a gap.

 

[DNP-Old]

Guys, guys, guys. During the race I posted about De Cauwer saying that Vingegaard should have worked for Van Aert. Well, it gets worse:

ANALYSE NA AANKOMST. Michel Wuyts ziet gemiste kans: “Vingegaard vertikte het om over te nemen voor Van Aert, ik snap dat niet”

<a href="https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/droomstart-voor-team-uae-adam-yates-wint-tweelinggevecht-en-pakt-eerste-ritzege-in-tour-de-france-van-aert-pas-elfde~a1c27b9b/" target="_blank">Adam Yates heeft het tweelinggevecht om de eerste gele trui gewonnen</a>. <a...

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“Van Aert likes to be at the service of the team. Leader Vingegaard apparently likes that much less. He refused to take over, I don't understand that. “Van Aert likes to be at the service of the team. He is a team player. The leader par excellence is apparently much less so. I have to say that Vingegaard disappoints me a bit today”.

This isn't in the heat of the moment, this isn't right after the finish. This is AT LEAST an hour after the race.

 

[Rackham]

Fair but Adam at least showed with Bernal that he was willing to do the 1-2 attacking. Only way I can see Adam wanting to ride for himself more is if inside the team they know the injury is hampering Pog more.

Yates is a team player, through & through. The recent Tour de Romandie showed that when he got on the radio & was seen clearly "asking" his team whether he should go for it on Thyon when Ayuso was dropping.

 

[Netserk]

Guys, guys, guys. During the race I posted about De Cauwer saying that Vingegaard should have worked for Van Aert. Well, it gets worse:

ANALYSE NA AANKOMST. Michel Wuyts ziet gemiste kans: “Vingegaard vertikte het om over te nemen voor Van Aert, ik snap dat niet”

<a href="https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/droomstart-voor-team-uae-adam-yates-wint-tweelinggevecht-en-pakt-eerste-ritzege-in-tour-de-france-van-aert-pas-elfde~a1c27b9b/" target="_blank">Adam Yates heeft het tweelinggevecht om de eerste gele trui gewonnen</a>. <a...

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This isn't in the heat of the moment, this isn't right after the finish. This is AT LEAST an hour after the race.

I dare say that Danish commentators were saner than that after Ventoux in '21.

 

[bNator]

Guys, guys, guys. During the race I posted about De Cauwer saying that Vingegaard should have worked for Van Aert. Well, it gets worse:

ANALYSE NA AANKOMST. Michel Wuyts ziet gemiste kans: “Vingegaard vertikte het om over te nemen voor Van Aert, ik snap dat niet”

<a href="https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/droomstart-voor-team-uae-adam-yates-wint-tweelinggevecht-en-pakt-eerste-ritzege-in-tour-de-france-van-aert-pas-elfde~a1c27b9b/" target="_blank">Adam Yates heeft het tweelinggevecht om de eerste gele trui gewonnen</a>. <a...

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This isn't in the heat of the moment, this isn't right after the finish. This is AT LEAST an hour after the race.

Doesn’t that sound awfully familiar to Roglic fans?😁

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Kinda funny considering the co leader trick looks like the only thing Pog has over Vingegaard

I fear today bodes really badly for the Pyrenees tbh. Vingo and Pog have the teams to stop each other from getting in the breakaway, and I don't see Vingegaard or Pogacar launching Tourmalet without teammates ahead.

It bodes badly for JV more because Vinge is more expected to attack Pog on such a long and high climb like Tourmalet.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Guys, guys, guys. During the race I posted about De Cauwer saying that Vingegaard should have worked for Van Aert. Well, it gets worse:

ANALYSE NA AANKOMST. Michel Wuyts ziet gemiste kans: “Vingegaard vertikte het om over te nemen voor Van Aert, ik snap dat niet”

<a href="https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/droomstart-voor-team-uae-adam-yates-wint-tweelinggevecht-en-pakt-eerste-ritzege-in-tour-de-france-van-aert-pas-elfde~a1c27b9b/" target="_blank">Adam Yates heeft het tweelinggevecht om de eerste gele trui gewonnen</a>. <a...

www.hln.be

This isn't in the heat of the moment, this isn't right after the finish. This is AT LEAST an hour after the race.

And he won‘t ride for Van Aert at the World Championships either, almost as selfish as selfish Van Aert

 

[kn0s]

It's going to be tricky for Jonas to manage Yates. It's a balancing act of taking him seriously but keeping in mind he got slapped with 2:20 in the Dauphiné. He doesn't want to do a Pogačar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's going to be tricky for Jonas to manage Yates. It's a balancing act of taking him seriously but keeping in mind he got slapped with 2:20 in the Dauphiné. He doesn't want to do a Pogačar.

Too early to say if Yates will be a tactical advantage: he has to be in great form or perform a suicidal attack in the first part of the race. After Vinge goes thermonuclear for the first time it's likely that only Pog will stay in contention (or not, if he's not strong enough).

 

[Boehmand]

Vinge needs to drop Pog in order to win the Tour. Meanwhile Pog can just follow wheels & grab bonus seconds.

The very fact Vinge doesn't want to cooperate because his sprint is worse puts him at a tactical disadvantage which I think too many people ignore. At some point Vinge needs to attack (& thus risk a counter attack).

It's what makes Pogačar such a difficult opponent to beat. I mean people can look at the route & ask themselves where Vingegaard is going to drop Pog... meanwhile from UAE's perspective they can ride pretty defensively. And the more time Vinge needs, the more aggressive he'll have to be.

Early days of course but today exposed some weakness in Jumbo in terms of dealing with Pog, Yates & also Van Aert (who is expected to win stages).

It's the same debate as last year, where Pogacar kept gobbling up seconds the first 10 days, and everyone was doubting if Vingegaard could ever drop him.

Vingegaard already knows he can't drop Pogacar on short sharp climbs, or pass him in a sprint, so he's not going to spend energy trying - he's biding his time for the long climbs in the big mountains, that's where he knows he may have a shot, and that is what he is saving energy towards.

Of course, if Pogacar makes a mistake some day, or has an off day, he'll be ready to pounce, but outside of that it will be the big long final climbs that matter.

 

[search]

Doesn’t that sound awfully familiar to Roglic fans?😁

too bad van Gils, Teuns and Cras didn't make the front group to work for van Aert as well

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Kinda funny considering the co leader trick looks like the only thing Pog has over Vingegaard

I fear today bodes really badly for the Pyrenees tbh. Vingo and Pog have the teams to stop each other from getting in the breakaway, and I don't see Vingegaard or Pogacar launching Tourmalet without teammates ahead.

Today changes nothing for the Pyrenees because major action on Tourmalet is and has always been a pipe dream.

 

[memyselfandI]

I dare to claim that Adam Yates could not win any bike race in Basque Country, if Remco and Roglic signed in for the race.

We don't know because they are @home and there's a race going on right here. I've heard from trusted friends in current WT teams that it's not always so simple. I also dare to agree what Bruyneel said that Remco is a World Champion but not in tactics.

 

[Rollthedice]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675171985259634688

View: https://twitter.com/OutOfCycling/status/1675171985259634688?t=DDj3gUBotz1J1SXU2rZJtw&s=19

 

[Red Rick]

Today changes nothing for the Pyrenees because major action on Tourmalet is and has always been a pipe dream.

Doesn't dissuade Rick from being too optimistic about a stage in the months leading into a race before souring on it the week before. A tale as old as the day this account was made.

 

[Red Rick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1675171985259634688

View: https://twitter.com/OutOfCycling/status/1675171985259634688?t=DDj3gUBotz1J1SXU2rZJtw&s=19

Why are Basques such massive fans of Gerard Pique?

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Doesn't dissuade Rick from being too optimistic about a stage in the months leading into a race before souring on it the week before. A tale as old as the day this account was made.

You are about the last person on here I associate with being unrealistically optimistic about everything...

 

[Mayomaniac]

Guys, guys, guys. During the race I posted about De Cauwer saying that Vingegaard should have worked for Van Aert. Well, it gets worse:

ANALYSE NA AANKOMST. Michel Wuyts ziet gemiste kans: “Vingegaard vertikte het om over te nemen voor Van Aert, ik snap dat niet”

<a href="https://www.hln.be/tour-de-france/droomstart-voor-team-uae-adam-yates-wint-tweelinggevecht-en-pakt-eerste-ritzege-in-tour-de-france-van-aert-pas-elfde~a1c27b9b/" target="_blank">Adam Yates heeft het tweelinggevecht om de eerste gele trui gewonnen</a>. <a...

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This isn't in the heat of the moment, this isn't right after the finish. This is AT LEAST an hour after the race.

Lol, my impression is almost the opposite.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Why are Basques such massive fans of Gerard Pique?

Disrespecting the Spanish anthem goes a long way in a region with strong separatist tendencies

 

[Netserk]

Today changes nothing for the Pyrenees because major action on Tourmalet is and has always been a pipe dream.

But, but, but Galibier!!!