2023 Women's WT CQ Game

triley36 · Feb 21, 2023

This game only counting points from WT races really changes the team building strategy in a way I did not fully appreciate when building my team. You cannot focus on young riders projecting improvement, as WT race rosters tend to be primarily established riders. Oh well, still glad I signed on to this as it will help me learn the women’s scene.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 21, 2023

We'll take a sounding at the end of the year as to whether a World Tour only or all races competition is better: I have prepared a spreadsheet based on overall scores and it's not as bad as I had feared. The lack of a downloadable spreadsheet apart from about 4 times a year (judging by past records at CQ) means there is a fair bit of mechanistic copying and pasting, but it is doable.

I don't want to post it too often, as teams were constructed and selected on the basis of WWT races only*, so I think that should remain the main competition (and because of aforementioned tedious copying and pasting), but maybe every couple of months...

* Apart, apparently, from T Riley's

triley36 · Feb 22, 2023

Armchair cyclist said:
We'll take a sounding at the end of the year as to whether a World Tour only or all races competition is better: I have prepared a spreadsheet based on overall scores and it's not as bad as I had feared. The lack of a downloadable spreadsheet apart from about 4 times a year (judging by past records at CQ) means there is a fair bit of mechanistic copying and pasting, but it is doable.

I don't want to post it too often, as teams were constructed and selected on the basis of WWT races only*, so I think that should remain the main competition (and because of aforementioned tedious copying and pasting), but maybe every couple of months...

* Apart, apparently, from T Riley's

I hope I didn’t come off as unhappy with the format of the game, and I did know it was WT racing only. No excuses, I simply didn’t account for how much that makes this game different from the men’s game. I just want to be clear that I greatly appreciate the time and energy you have put into making this game happen. No complaints from me. Thanks for your hard work.

bminchow · Feb 24, 2023

Well dang. My main play Persico has dropped out.

rote_laterne2 · Feb 24, 2023

Got my first points in UAE and suddenly I'm last.

Samu Cuenca · Feb 24, 2023

I'm starting to regret that I didn't pick another rider that could do well in these sort of races or at least ride them.
It doesn't help that three of those I do have are on the same team.

Omloop
Pfeiffer Georgi
Megan Jastrab
Charlotte Kool
Marlen Reusser
Lisa Klein
Anne Dorthe Ysland

Libertine Seguros · Feb 25, 2023

Yea, my team would have Lilibeth Chacón in it if all races counted not because of high potential but just for cheap and almost guaranteed profit, she got an injury last year but crushed all life on earth in Latin America from 2017 to 21 and most of her rivals from that time - Aranza Villalón, Miryan Núñez, Jennifer Ducuara, Carolina Vargas, Anet Barrera - have moved up to Europe or North America.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 26, 2023

Race 4:Omloop het Nieuwsblad
Europe at last

Those selected in our teams that made the top 25:

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	KOPECKY Lotte	140	4
2	WIEBES Lorena	84	2
4	JØRGENSEN Emma Cecilie Norsgaard	63	7
5	GEORGI Pfeiffer	56	9
8	SCHWEINBERGER Christina	38	1
9	PALADIN Soraya	33	3
11	SWINKELS Karlijn	23	1
14	REUSSER Marlen	16	9
15	BOSSUYT Shari	14	4
16	BROWN Grace	13	2
17	VOLLERING Demi	12	3
20	LUDWIG Cecilie Uttrup	9	3
21	MACKAIJ Floortje	8	3
22	HENDERSON Anna	7	6
23	LIPPERT Liane	6	1
24	NIEWIADOMA Katarzyna	5	2
25	AMIALIUSIK Alena	4	1

because it is a WT race, every finisher gets 3 points: we have 21 of those

1	Josedin	236	Kopecky/Wiebes	80
2	DJW	212	Kopecky/Georgi	50
3	Rufs	158	Kopecky/Vollering	35
4	SlowClimber	152	Norsgaard/Georgi	25
5	Skidmark	151	Norsgaard/Georgi	15
6	JonEzeitza	146	Kopecky	10
7	Alvarakas	99		5
8	Shalgo	93		3
9	ArmchairCyclist	91		2
10	JumboVismaFan	87		0.5
10	RedheadDane	87		0.5
12	SamuCuenca	84
13	Salvarani	81
14	Hfgon1	79
15	LukasCPH	76
16	MuddyWaters	75
17	ArchieBoy	70
17	PostmanHat	70
19	AmisVelo	69
20	Bminchow	68
21	Leadbelly	65
22	BR2	39
22	Del1962	39
24	Madrazo	38
25	TRiley36	32
26	LosBrolin	29
27	Ricco	28
28	LibertineSeguros	27
29	DJSprtsch	24
30	RoteLaterne	18
31	Comodoro	12
32	EvansIsTheBest	9
	CollectiveWisdom	54
	SoLastYear	10

Green points
We are still at the stage at which one good result can bring you from nowhere to the upper reaches.

1	SamuCuenca	155	0
2	Rufs	140	0
3	LibertineSeguros	83	0
4	Josedin	82	13
5	ArmchairCyclist	52	0
6	LosBrolin	51	-2
7	DJW	50	12
8	Alvarakas	40	0
8	Madrazo	40	-2
10	Comodoro	38	-3

Standings
And first or second in the event will bring similarly impressive jumps in the main classiication too.

1	SamuCuenca	639	0
2	Rufs	511	0
3	LukasCPH	421	1
4	Josedin	402	12
5	MuddyWaters	399	1
6	LibertineSeguros	380	-4
7	Alvarakas	378	3
8	LosBrolin	371	-3
9	ArchieBoy	370	-1
10	ArmchairCyclist	365	1
11	DJW	349	10
12	Madrazo	337	-3
13	Comodoro	335	-6
14	Skidmark	308	3
15	SlowClimber	307	3
16	Shalgo	304	-3
17	BR2	298	-5
18	Bminchow	269	-4
19	JonEzeitza	253	5
20	Salvarani	226	0
21	PostmanHat	219	-2
22	Del1962	217	-7
23	Hfgon1	195	-1
24	JumboVismaFan	185	2
25	Leadbelly	181	-3
26	RedheadDane	174	2
27	AmisVelo	138	2
28	Ricco	133	-3
29	DJSprtsch	115	-2
30	TRiley36	101	-1
31	EvansIsTheBest	45	0
32	RoteLaterne	40	0
	CollectiveWisdom	159
	SoLastYear	25

Strade Bianche next Saturday, but I hope to post something that may be of interest before that.
In the meantime, the spreadsheet.

Armchair Cyclist · Feb 27, 2023

If we were doing this as an all races game (and I appreciate that many selections would have been different if we were, so this is purely an aside), the rankings as of this morning would have been:

1	SamuCuenca	923
2	LukasCPH	703
3	Rufs	690
4	LibertineSeguros	585
5	LosBrolin	559
6	SlowClimber	550
7	ArmchairCyclist	511
8	MuddyWaters	499
9	Josedin	484
10	Madrazo	476
11	Alvarakas	472
12	ArchieBoy	454
13	Comodoro	426
14	PostmanHat	420
15	BR2	417
16	Skidmark	382
17	DJW	374
18	Shalgo	370
19	JonEzeitza	355
20	Leadbelly	336
21	RedheadDane	310
22	Hfgon1	295
23	Salvarani	279
24	Bminchow	278
25	JumboVismaFan	276
26	Ricco	240
27	Del1962	239
28	EvansIsTheBest	205
29	AmisVelo	204
30	TRiley36	201
31	DJSprtsch	188
32	RoteLaterne	82
	CollectiveWisdom	200

Josedin is the one most notable for being better positioned in the real game, and therefore possibly more WWT focused in the selection process, than most.

rote_laterne2 · Mar 2, 2023

I would have less points in all races then in just the WT races?

With my non existent knowledge of the women peloton I managed to pick the pregnant and thus non-racing Van den Broek-Blaak, the risky Vos whos injury also impacts her road season and the now injured Cavalli.

No one picked Pieterse, as there was no indication she would race on the road and now she races Strade as opposed to van Empel who everybody expected to be there.

Armchair Cyclist · Mar 3, 2023

rote_laterne2 said:
I would have less points in all races then in just the WT races?

Have you been taking Maths lessons from RHD? 82 in all races, 40 of which in WWT.

Samu Cuenca · Mar 3, 2023

I don't have very high hopes for my team tomorrow, but at least they can do well enough for me to stay in the lead.

Tamara Dronova
Amanda Spratt
Kristen Faulkner
Olivia Baril
Pfeiffer Georgi

RedheadDane · Mar 3, 2023

My team:

Uttrup
Norsgaard
Kastelijn
Paternoster

bminchow · Mar 3, 2023

My team
BREDEWOLD Mischa - support rider
FISHER-BLACK Niamh - support rider
GEORGI Pfeiffer - Maybe?
PERSICO Silvia - Come on Silvia!! I love you Silvia, I love you.
RIVERA-LABECKI Coryn - Team lead but can she handle this? I have no idea. I am an amateur.

Good luck all!

rote_laterne2 · Mar 3, 2023

Armchair cyclist said:
Have you been taking Maths lessons from RHD? 82 in all races, 40 of which in WWT.

I was sick yesterday. I could have sworn I had 38 points. Before reading your post I even looked wether you edited your post as I now had 82 points.

Looking forward to Strade Bianche.

Armchair Cyclist · Mar 4, 2023

Still waiting for CQ to put up full results, but:
140 for 3 Vollering teams (DJSprtsch, Libertine Seguros and Rufs);
84 for 4 teams with Kopecky (DJW, JonEzeitza, Josedin, Rufs again)
73 for 3 Faulkner teams (LeadBelly, LukasCPH, Samu Cuenca)
63 for Uttrup (Jumbo Visma Fan, Libertine Seguros(again), RedHead Dane)

So Rufs and LS look likely to gain most.

Armchair Cyclist · Mar 4, 2023

Race 5: Strade Bianche

It may well be that having the top four on more than one team each might be as well as we do collectively on any race.

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	VOLLERING Demi	140	3
2	KOPECKY Lotte	84	4
3	FAULKNER Kristen	73	3
4	LUDWIG Cecilie Uttrup	63	3
7	NIEWIADOMA Katarzyna	44	2
8	LIPPERT Liane	38	1
10	GEORGI Pfeiffer	28	9
11	MACKAIJ Floortje	23	3
15	KASTELIJN Yara	14	4
16	BROWN Grace	13	2
17	BAUERNFEIND Ricarda	12	5
18	SPRATT Amanda	11	4
22	SCHWEINBERGER Christina	7	1
23	PALADIN Soraya	6	3
25	ROSEMAN-GANNON Ruby	4	3

and 18 of the 3 pointers who finished outside the top 25 were also selected

Points today:

		This race	Green points
1	Rufs	241	80
2	LibertineSeguros	206	50
3	DJSprtsch	146	35
4	Leadbelly	133	25
5	LukasCPH	119	15
6	DJW	118	7.5
6	SamuCuenca	118	7.5
8	Josedin	96	3
9	JonEzeitza	90	2
10	SlowClimber	89	1
11	RedheadDane	80
12	JumboVismaFan	66
13	PostmanHat	57
14	RoteLaterne	56
15	Shalgo	50
16	Hfgon1	46
16	Salvarani	46
18	Bminchow	37
19	Ricco	32
20	LosBrolin	31
20	Skidmark	31
22	ArmchairCyclist	26
23	ArchieBoy	20
24	MuddyWaters	19
25	Madrazo	14
26	Del1962	12
27	BR2	7
27	Comodoro	7
29	EvansIsTheBest	6
29	TRiley36	6
31	Alvarakas	0
31	AmisVelo	0
	CollectiveWisdom	17
	SoLastYear	86

Standings
Green

1	Rufs	220	1
2	SamuCuenca	162.5	-1
3	LibertineSeguros	133	0
4	Josedin	85	0
5	DJW	57.5	2
6	ArmchairCyclist	52	-1
7	LosBrolin	51	-1
8	Alvarakas	40	0
8	LukasCPH	40	4
8	Madrazo	40	0

Main
It surely isn't a two horse race already...

1	SamuCuenca	757	0
2	Rufs	752	0
3	LibertineSeguros	586	3
4	LukasCPH	540	-1
5	Josedin	498	-1
6	DJW	467	5
7	MuddyWaters	418	-2
8	LosBrolin	402	0
9	SlowClimber	396	6
10	ArmchairCyclist	391	0
11	ArchieBoy	390	-2
12	Alvarakas	378	-5
13	Shalgo	354	3
14	Madrazo	351	-2
15	JonEzeitza	343	4
16	Comodoro	342	-3
17	Skidmark	339	-3
18	Leadbelly	314	7
19	Bminchow	306	-1
20	BR2	305	-3
21	PostmanHat	276	0
22	Salvarani	272	-2
23	DJSprtsch	261	6
24	RedheadDane	254	2
25	JumboVismaFan	251	-1
26	Hfgon1	241	-3
27	Del1962	229	-5
28	Ricco	165	0
29	AmisVelo	138	-2
30	TRiley36	107	0
31	RoteLaterne	96	1
32	EvansIsTheBest	51	-1
	CollectiveWisdom	176
	SoLastYear	111

I have been forgetting to post the Interforum challenge scores. I hope that this will continue into future CQ games, but I fear not:
VeloRooms 349
CN Forum 339

Ronde van Drenthe next Saturday. I guess that this will be one of the races that those of us who are using the game to explore the women's side of the sport (rather than to put knowledge that we think we have to the test) have paid little attention to. But maybe a bit more now.

DJW · Mar 5, 2023

Why oh why did I take out Puck Pieterse from my final team, feel like that might be a costly mistake

Libertine Seguros · Mar 12, 2023

Woohoo! Some free points from Henttala. I'm going to need them once Deignan starts scoring and Lotta is who I have because of refusing to pick Lizzie.

Armchair Cyclist · Mar 12, 2023

Sorry for the delay: CQ still hasn't put up the results, and their format is what the spreadsheet is designed for. At least it is now on their "Waiting for result" list, having been absent even from the 'upcoming races' list most of the afternoon/evening.

BR2 · Mar 12, 2023

I should have picked Maike van der Duin, damn. Was so close to doing that.

By the way, what is that thing Canyon did with the photos? They all look like they must now be about 70 years old, because the pictures were taken in the 70s. Actually it looks like they are dead now and the photos are carried in people's purses to remember them.

Armchair Cyclist · Mar 12, 2023

BR2 said:
I should have picked Maike van der Duin, damn. Was so close to doing that.

By the way, what is that thing Canyon did with the photos? They all look like they must now be about 70 years old, because the pictures were taken in the 70s. Actually it looks like they are dead now and the photos are carried in people's purses to remember them.

Looks like they used a photobooth at the railway station, but some of them didn't close the curtain properly.

Armchair Cyclist · Mar 12, 2023

Race 6 Ronde van Drenthe

Riders that have been chosen:

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
1	WIEBES Lorena	140	2
2	ANDERSEN Susanne	84	1
3	VAN DER DUIN Maike	73	2
6	LEPISTÖ-HENTTALA Lotta	50	3
8	SWINKELS Karlijn	38	1
9	PATERNOSTER Letizia	33	6
10	HENDERSON Anna	28	6
11	UNEKEN Lonneke	23	5
13	DE WILDE Julie	18	9
14	FIDANZA Arianna	16	1
15	MAJERUS Christine	14	1
20	CONSONNI Chiara	9	5
23	UIJEN Elise	6	2
25	RUEGG Noemi	4	1

and 12 others for 3 points

		This race	Main scorers	Green points
1	Josedin	179	Wiebes, Paternoster	80
2	Alvarakas	161	Wiebes, De Wilde	50
3	ArchieBoy	131	Andersen, Winkels, Uijen	35
4	Madrazo	104	Van der Duin, Henderson	25
5	MuddyWaters	94	Van der Duin, De Wilde	15
6	Rufs	76		10
7	LibertineSeguros	69		5
8	DJW	64		3
9	ArmchairCyclist	58		2
10	DJSprtsch	56		1
11	LosBrolin	54
12	Ricco	51
13	SlowClimber	49
14	LukasCPH	48
15	RoteLaterne	39
16	AmisVelo	38
17	RedheadDane	36
18	Salvarani	35
19	BR2	33
20	Skidmark	31
21	JumboVismaFan	29
22	TRiley36	24
23	EvansIsTheBest	21
23	Hfgon1	21
25	JonEzeitza	12
25	PostmanHat	12
27	Bminchow	6
28	Leadbelly	3
28	Shalgo	3
30	Comodoro	0
30	Del1962	0
30	SamuCuenca	0
	CollectiveWisdom	21
	SoLastYear	6

Standings
Green
Josedin joins Rufs in having two wins.

1	Rufs	230	0
2	Josedin	165	2
3	SamuCuenca	162.5	-1
4	LibertineSeguros	138	-1
5	Alvarakas	90	3
6	Madrazo	65	2
7	DJW	60.5	-2
8	ArmchairCyclist	54	-2
9	LosBrolin	51	-2
10	MuddyWaters	50	3

Main points
Scoring zero was unlikely to keep Samu in the lead.

1	Rufs	828	1
2	SamuCuenca	757	-1
3	Josedin	677	2
4	LibertineSeguros	655	-1
5	LukasCPH	588	-1
6	Alvarakas	539	6
7	DJW	531	-1
8	ArchieBoy	521	3
9	MuddyWaters	512	-2
10	LosBrolin	456	-2
11	Madrazo	455	3
12	ArmchairCyclist	449	-2
13	SlowClimber	445	-4
14	Skidmark	370	3
15	Shalgo	357	-2
16	JonEzeitza	355	-1
17	Comodoro	342	-1
18	BR2	338	2
19	DJSprtsch	317	4
19	Leadbelly	317	-1
21	Bminchow	312	-2
22	Salvarani	307	0
23	RedheadDane	290	1
24	PostmanHat	288	-3
25	JumboVismaFan	280	0
26	Hfgon1	262	0
27	Del1962	229	0
28	Ricco	216	0
29	AmisVelo	176	0
30	RoteLaterne	135	1
31	TRiley36	131	-1
32	EvansIsTheBest	72	0
	CollectiveWisdom	197
	SoLastYear	117

Next up: Trofeo Binda next Sunday.

Samu Cuenca · Mar 12, 2023

I really should have picked another sprinter, but it also didn't help that Kool got sick and Georgi had an unlucky mechanical yesterday.

EvansIsTheBest · Mar 12, 2023

Samu Cuenca said:
I really should have picked another sprinter, but it also didn't help that Kool got sick and Georgi had an unlucky mechanical yesterday.

Still it's better than my mistake which was selecting riders that don't score enough points.

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