Damn, I had a team ready but Hugh Carthy is not riding the race, after all, so I have to redo it.
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I have picked 2 totally different teams
1 with Pogi
1 not with Pogi
I need to decide which one I am going to choose
1 with Pogi
1 not with Pogi
I need to decide which one I am going to choose
My guess is that teams with Pogacar will all be well into the top half of the table, and probably only a small proportion of non-Pog teams will be among them, but that it will be a non-Pog that wins.
But what do I know...
@sam6 (or anyone else): I am happy to stick your alternative team into the spreadsheet, but not include it in the competition, so that I can tell you how it would have done.
But what do I know...
@sam6 (or anyone else): I am happy to stick your alternative team into the spreadsheet, but not include it in the competition, so that I can tell you how it would have done.
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Always good to have new players on board
And the long term regulars too.
So with a little over 26 hours to go (race starts, and game closes, at 13:55 CET on Saturday) we have 16 teams in so far (I believe I have acknowledged and confirmed them all, so if you haven't had acknowledgement, it might be worth re-sending)
48 different riders have been selected (so despite Redhead having already sent in a team, there are still 128 potential unique picks out there):
3 of them tie as the most popular at the moment on 10 teams each, while 27 are unique picks;
12 different riders costing more than the average allowance per rider of 437.5 have been selected, including 2 over 1000 points, one of whom is a heck of a lot more;
9 riders have been included at a cost of less than 100 points, but only their managers could say whether they are purely makeweights or whether they are thought of as great bargains;
Only one manager has spent exactly 3500 points, and two have underspent by over 100;
4 teams vying for the highest popularity ranking, at >85% of the highest possible, and two with less than half of that maximum.
And so far all teams sent in perfectly formatted (for which I am grateful) and with only one correction needed (a rider who was expected to compete but didn't make the final cut).
But all this is really just an excuse to bump the thread: I'd like to see twice that before we get going. Don't forget.
Instructions, if you need them, in the OP.
48 different riders have been selected (so despite Redhead having already sent in a team, there are still 128 potential unique picks out there):
3 of them tie as the most popular at the moment on 10 teams each, while 27 are unique picks;
12 different riders costing more than the average allowance per rider of 437.5 have been selected, including 2 over 1000 points, one of whom is a heck of a lot more;
9 riders have been included at a cost of less than 100 points, but only their managers could say whether they are purely makeweights or whether they are thought of as great bargains;
Only one manager has spent exactly 3500 points, and two have underspent by over 100;
4 teams vying for the highest popularity ranking, at >85% of the highest possible, and two with less than half of that maximum.
And so far all teams sent in perfectly formatted (for which I am grateful) and with only one correction needed (a rider who was expected to compete but didn't make the final cut).
But all this is really just an excuse to bump the thread: I'd like to see twice that before we get going. Don't forget.
Instructions, if you need them, in the OP.
My team has not been acknowledged so far.
Funny thing, the same happened to me in the main CQ game this year, but it was skidmark forgetting to send me a message, not any message delivery issues.
I'll re-send you my team once more just in case.
Technically, it's the first time that you have re-sent it, but...
I should also have said that if you get your team in earlier, I have a better chance of checking that it is all OK. We have had issues in the past of riders selected twice in the same time, too many in a team, over-budget selections or riders not in the event named. I have a default way of making replacements, but I would rather that you have time to select your own replacements if necessary.
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You're talking about the past, I was talking about the future. You have no idea what the future holds.
Still an hour or so if you haven't sent in your team yet ( @Devil's Elbow ? @Jumbo Visma Fan :) ? @Ricco' ? @Riverside ? @LosBrolin ? @Muddy_Waters ? @Ruvu ? and probably others.
37 teams now, plus 4 that I have appended as "I have sent in my team, but what if I had done this group instead" selections, usually for those who were very split on whether or not to feature Pogacar.
Any preferences as to whether I put them, unranked, at the bottom like the Collective Wisdom team, or just leave them in the Spreadsheet for those who are interested to have a look as they wish, and maybe comment if I notice that they have done something remarkable?
Ifanyone else also has a discarded combination that you want tracked, by all means send it in.
I'm going to go for a ride, so don't expect any notifications of the teams until about halfway through the stage.
37 teams now, plus 4 that I have appended as "I have sent in my team, but what if I had done this group instead" selections, usually for those who were very split on whether or not to feature Pogacar.
Any preferences as to whether I put them, unranked, at the bottom like the Collective Wisdom team, or just leave them in the Spreadsheet for those who are interested to have a look as they wish, and maybe comment if I notice that they have done something remarkable?
Ifanyone else also has a discarded combination that you want tracked, by all means send it in.
I'm going to go for a ride, so don't expect any notifications of the teams until about halfway through the stage.
I sent in my team just before this post.Still an hour or so if you haven't sent in your team yet ( @Devil's Elbow ? @Jumbo Visma Fan
Life’s been busy so honestly I forgot to do it for the Giro. Will definitely do it for the Tour, as school is almost over.
It looks like I should have stuck with my original idea of picking the 8 Colombian and Ecuadorian riders.
Sorry I am a bit behind schedule for getting the listings up, but Narvaez is a unique pick for @Yellow Knight , so well done to him.
It looks like it is going to be 2 games in one: A battle between the Pogacar teams (who of necessity are differentiated only by riders with mainly limited ambitions), another between those who don't have him, and then the matter of which strategy will win out. My guess is that all eleven Pogacar teams will be in the top half, but there will be someone who has enough points spread among their top 4 or 5 riders on budget (though maybe not those with Arensman or Bardet) to take the overall.
Maybe.
Maybe.
The teams
37 of them in the end: thanks to all for joining in.
*** Not actually selected by BitB, but I had not initially picked up on his named rider Martinelli not being in the race, and he never came back to me to make a counter-proposal.
Josedin's team, initially enormously over priced, went throuth several iterations, but we got there eventually.
37 of them in the end: thanks to all for joining in.
| Team (alphabetical) | Riders (sorted by price) | Popularity |
| Amis Velo | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| Anderis | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban | 3 | |
| PICKRELL Riley | 4 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| CERNY Josef | 3 | |
| COLLEONI Kevin | 5 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| ArchieBoy | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| LIPOWITZ Florian | 5 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| LONARDI Giovanni | 2 | |
| FABBRO Matteo | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Armchair Cyclist | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 13 | |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| JAKOBSEN Fabio | 2 | |
| VALTER Attila | 1 | |
| GESCHKE Simon | 3 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| PIETROBON Andrea | 6 | |
| BartalliCoppi | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| JAKOBSEN Fabio | 2 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| PLAPP Lucas | 4 | |
| DAINESE Alberto | 1 | |
| CONSONNI Simone | 1 | |
| FORTUNATO Lorenzo | 2 | |
| Bicycle Boy | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| POZZOVIVO Domenico | 3 | |
| DE MARCHI Alessandro | 2 | |
| TORRES BARCELO Albert | 1 | |
| GESCHKE Simon | 3 | |
| VAN DEN BERG Julius | 1 | |
| GESINK Robert | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Blues in the Bottle | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| PICKRELL Riley | 4 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| COLLEONI Kevin | 5 | |
| GRONDIN Donavan *** | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| PIETROBON Andrea | 6 | |
| Bminchow | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| PLAPP Lucas | 4 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Del1962 | BARDET Romain | 14 |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | 2 | |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 4 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| PLAPP Lucas | 4 | |
| LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro | 3 | |
| LUND ANDRESEN Tobias | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Devil's Elbow | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 3 | |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| DJSprtsch | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | 2 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| LUND ANDRESEN Tobias | 2 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| DJW | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 13 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Evans is the Best | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| COLLEONI Kevin | 5 | |
| GRONDIN Donavan | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| PIETROBON Andrea | 6 | |
| Googolplex | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| SWIFT Ben | 1 | |
| CERNY Josef | 3 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| MUÑOZ LLANA Francisco | 1 | |
| PIETROBON Andrea | 6 | |
| Harad | BARDET Romain | 14 |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 4 | |
| STORER Michael | 3 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| LIPOWITZ Florian | 5 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| VANSEVENANT Mauri | 1 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Josedin | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| LIPOWITZ Florian | 5 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| STEINHAUSER Georg | 1 | |
| GESINK Robert | 2 | |
| CERNY Josef | 3 | |
| Kazistuta | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| LONARDI Giovanni | 2 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| PICCOLO Andrea | 2 | |
| GESCHKE Simon | 3 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| COLLEONI Kevin | 5 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Laarsland | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| PICCOLO Andrea | 2 | |
| PASQUALON Andrea | 1 | |
| BARTHE Cyril | 1 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Laurens147 | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| DE MARCHI Alessandro | 2 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| COLLEONI Kevin | 5 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| LeadBelly | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro | 3 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| FRIGO Marco | 3 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Madrazo | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| CARUSO Damiano | 1 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| DUNBAR Edward | 1 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Peixotini | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| PARET PEINTRE Valentin | 1 | |
| FORTUNATO Lorenzo | 2 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| Queen Stagiare | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 4 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Redhead Dane | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 4 | |
| GIRMAY HAILU Biniam | 1 | |
| MOLANO BENAVIDES Juan Sebastian | 1 | |
| MULUBRHAN Henok | 1 | |
| CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander | 1 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| BARTA William | 1 | |
| Rote Laterne | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 13 | |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 3 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Rufs | MILAN Jonathan | 12 |
| STORER Michael | 3 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro | 3 | |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 4 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| OLDANI Stefano | 1 | |
| Salvarani | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| PICKRELL Riley | 4 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| PIETROBON Andrea | 6 | |
| Sam6 | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| HIRT Jan | 7 | |
| CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban | 3 | |
| BAYER Tobias | 1 | |
| PICKRELL Riley | 4 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Samu Cuenca | MILAN Jonathan | 12 |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| PIGANZOLI Davide | 1 | |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 3 | |
| POZZOVIVO Domenico | 3 | |
| ZAMBANINI Edoardo | 1 | |
| FRIGO Marco | 3 | |
| VERRE Alessandro | 1 | |
| Scrooll07 | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| EWAN Caleb | 1 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| POZZOVIVO Domenico | 3 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Search | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| THOMAS Geraint | 13 | |
| MILAN Jonathan | 12 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| PIETROBON Andrea | 6 | |
| Shakes | O'CONNOR Ben | 10 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| FOSS Tobias Svendsen | 2 | |
| FABBRO Matteo | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Slow Climber | MILAN Jonathan | 12 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| PLAPP Lucas | 4 | |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 4 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban | 3 | |
| Titan31 | MILAN Jonathan | 12 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| LIPOWITZ Florian | 5 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| TIBERI Antonio | 21 | |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 4 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| TRiley36 | THOMAS Geraint | 13 |
| BARDET Romain | 14 | |
| LUTSENKO Alexey | 4 | |
| UIJTDEBROEKS Cian | 15 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| MARTINEZ POVEDA Daniel Felipe | 20 | |
| GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando | 7 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Vladimir | POGACAR Tadej | 11 |
| PRONSKIY Vadim | 1 | |
| THOMAS Benjamin | 1 | |
| FRIGO Marco | 3 | |
| WOOD Harrison | 1 | |
| LEEMREIZE Gijs | 9 | |
| BALLERINI Davide | 10 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 | |
| Yellow Knight | LAPORTE Christophe | 1 |
| NARVAEZ PRADO Jhonatan Manuel | 1 | |
| STORER Michael | 3 | |
| LIPOWITZ Florian | 5 | |
| ARENSMAN Thymen | 11 | |
| CARR Simon | 1 | |
| FOSS Tobias Svendsen | 2 | |
| QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander | 27 |
*** Not actually selected by BitB, but I had not initially picked up on his named rider Martinelli not being in the race, and he never came back to me to make a counter-proposal.
Josedin's team, initially enormously over priced, went throuth several iterations, but we got there eventually.
The offer of opening a tab on the spreadsheet for your Pogacar team, as a non-competing team in the game, is still open. Likewise for anyone else who found themselves in the same predicament.
To EitB,
Hermano looks like we are down to Leemreize vs Pickrell. Good luck to you, hope to see you on the podium.
BitB
Hermano looks like we are down to Leemreize vs Pickrell. Good luck to you, hope to see you on the podium.
BitB
Teams grouped by most expensive two picks
Pogacar - Tiberi Blues in the Bottle, Evans is the Best
Pogacar - Martinez Anderis, Googolplex, Laarsland, Salvarani
Pogacar - Pozzovivo Bicycle Boy
Pogacar - Hirt Laurens, Sam
Pogacar - Pronskiy Vladimir
Pogacar - Lonardi Kazistuta
O'Connor - Thomas Armchair, DJW, Rote Laterne, Search
O'Connor - Milan Archie, Scrooll
O'Connor - Bardet DJSprtsch, Leadbelly, Shakes
O'Connor - Lutsenko RhD
Thomas - Milan Amis Velo, Josedin, Peixotini, Queen Stagiare
Thomas - Bardet Bminchow, Devil's Elbow, Madrazo, TRiley
Thomas - Uijtdebroecks BartalliCoppi
Milan - Bardet Slow Climber, Titan
Milan - Storer Rufs
Milan - Tiberi Samu
Laporte - Narvaez Yellow Knight
Bardet - Lutsenko Harad
Bardet - Alaphilippe Del
Pogacar - Tiberi Blues in the Bottle, Evans is the Best
Pogacar - Martinez Anderis, Googolplex, Laarsland, Salvarani
Pogacar - Pozzovivo Bicycle Boy
Pogacar - Hirt Laurens, Sam
Pogacar - Pronskiy Vladimir
Pogacar - Lonardi Kazistuta
O'Connor - Thomas Armchair, DJW, Rote Laterne, Search
O'Connor - Milan Archie, Scrooll
O'Connor - Bardet DJSprtsch, Leadbelly, Shakes
O'Connor - Lutsenko RhD
Thomas - Milan Amis Velo, Josedin, Peixotini, Queen Stagiare
Thomas - Bardet Bminchow, Devil's Elbow, Madrazo, TRiley
Thomas - Uijtdebroecks BartalliCoppi
Milan - Bardet Slow Climber, Titan
Milan - Storer Rufs
Milan - Tiberi Samu
Laporte - Narvaez Yellow Knight
Bardet - Lutsenko Harad
Bardet - Alaphilippe Del
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