2025 Spring Classics CQ game

Armchair Cyclist · Apr 17, 2025

Race 19 Paris-Roubaix Sorry for the delay, but it was Paris-Roubaix, so you won't have forgotten what happened

Race Pos'n	Pts	Teams
4	VAN AERT Wout	125	19
5	VERMEERSCH Florian	112	30
9	WRIGHT Fred	70	2
10	REX Laurenz	62	2
13	GANNA Filippo	42	2
14	MIHKELS Madis	38	1
16	TEUNISSEN Mike	32	1
18	VAN DIJKE Mick	28	2
22	DE BONDT Dries	20	1
24	MORGADO Antonio Tomas	16	22
28	LAMPAERT Yves	8	2
30	VAN DIJKE Tim	6	4

and 23 other finishers for five.

This has been by far the biggest contribution of points to the scores, worth more than 460 Scheldeprijses (Scheldeprisen?)
Van Aert and Vermeersch both featured in the top 19 teams here.

1	Hfgon1	315	Rex, Morgado	80
2	Triley36	301	Mihkels, Morgado	50
3	Ingsve	297	both Van Dijkes, Morgado	35
4	DJW	289	De Bondt, Morgado	25
5	DJSprtsch	284	Teunissen	15
6	AmisVelo	273		7.5
6	Del1962	273		7.5
8	Peixotini	266		3
9	DevilsElbow	263		0.75
9	Kazistuta	263		0.75
9	Madrazo	263		0.75
9	Ray10	263		0.75
13	Abbulf	258
13	EvansIsTheBest	258
15	Ruvu	247
16	Shakes	245
17	Laarsland	242
17	SlowClimber	242
17	Vladimir	242
20	LosBrolin	208
21	Blues_in_the_Bottle	197
22	Armchair	180
23	QueenStagiare	159
24	Rufs	156
25	JonEzeitza	143
26	Bminchow	133
27	Leadbelly	128
27	Onizuka	128
29	Search	127
30	RedheadDane	122
31	NBFC1962	88
32	SamuCuenca	42
33	Josedin	26
	CollectiveWisdom	261
	SoLastYear	0
	MainGamePop	242

Standings

What I said about Roubaix enormously outscoring Scheldeprijs doesn't apply here of course. I think this is the first race where an outright top score hasn't pushed that manager into the top 10, so I'll give a top 15:

1	SamuCuenca	301.14	(-)
2	Armchair	267.1	(-)
3	Shakes	208.14	(-)
4	DevilsElbow	199.48	(-)
5	SlowClimber	186.8	(-)
6	Onizuka	180.14	(-)
7	Blues_in_the_Bottle	178.96	(-)
8	DJW	170.46	(+4)
9	DJSprtsch	168.48	(+2)
10	Ruvu	163.85	(-2)
11	Peixotini	160.35	(-2)
12	LosBrolin	154.96	(-2)
13	Ingsve	153.24	(+3)
14	Hfgon1	138.76	(+14)
15	Vladimir	134.46	(-2)

Overall points
Evereyone in the top twelve here has both Van Aert and F Vermeersch, so that rather flattened out the changes that so many other points might have been expected to bring about.

1	DevilsElbow	1514	(-)
2	Ingsve	1431	(-)
3	DJSprtsch	1391	(+1)
4	Laarsland	1371	(-1)
5	Ruvu	1320	(-)
6	Madrazo	1278	(+1)
7	Peixotini	1277	(+2)
8	SlowClimber	1272	(-2)
9	DJW	1268	(+2)
10	Ray10	1242	(+1)
11	Hfgon1	1238	(+5)
12	EvansIsTheBest	1222	(+2)
13	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1201	(-3)
14	AmisVelo	1198	(+1)
15	Armchair	1192	(-7)
16	Del1962	1157	(+2)
17	Triley36	1154	(+4)
18	Shakes	1153	(-1)
19	Abbulf	1136	(-)
20	Kazistuta	1103	(+3)
21	Vladimir	1089	(+1)
22	LosBrolin	1068	(-2)
23	SamuCuenca	1021	(-12)
24	Search	956	(-)
25	Rufs	929	(+1)
26	Bminchow	921	(-1)
27	Onizuka	779	(-)
28	Leadbelly	768	(-)
29	QueenStagiare	660	(-)
30	RedheadDane	603	(+1)
31	NBFC1962	583	(-1)
32	JonEzeitza	539	(-)
33	Josedin	343	(-)
	CollectiveWisdom	1511
	SoLastYear	227
	MainGamePop	720

Cobbles are, to all intents and purposes, now behind us, so in many teams it is a different set of riders that will carry the burden of our hopes from now on.

I has only occurred to me that I don't think I had ever linked to the spreadsheet, in which case you would have had access to the update data since Sunday night. Here it is

This was late, but at least I have it out of the way before Brabantse Pijl tomorrow, our next installment.

Samu Cuenca · Apr 17, 2025

Surely SamuInGreen must come to an end soon.

Armchair Cyclist · Apr 17, 2025

Samu Cuenca said:
Surely SamuInGreen must come to an end soon.

Either you or I look likely to fulfil the intention that the green jersey is not also the main winner.

del1962 · Apr 18, 2025

I think there are 12 teams with Van Aert and Morgardo 2nd and 3rd today

Armchair Cyclist · Apr 18, 2025

del1962 said:
I think there are 12 teams with Van Aert and Morgardo 2nd and 3rd today

13: update ready soon

Armchair Cyclist · Apr 19, 2025

Race 20 Brabantse Pijl

Race Pos'n	Pts	Teams
2	VAN AERT Wout	78	19
3	MORGADO Antonio Tomas	66	22
10	DEL GROSSO Tibor	24	1
11	PIDCOCK Thomas	20	6
16	HERMANS Quinten	10	1
18	TURGIS Anthony	8	1
19	BENOOT Tiesj	7	3
24	LIVYNS Arjen	5	1
25	NARVAEZ PRADO Jhonatan Manuel	5	2
27	DESAL Cériel	5	1
30	TEUNS Dylan	5	7

The top 13 have Van Aert and Morgado, a few eams supplemented that duo

1	EvansIsTheBest	164	Pidcock	80
2	DJW	151	Benoot	50
3	DevilsElbow	149	Teuns	30
3	Madrazo	149	Teuns	30
5	Abbulf	144		4
5	AmisVelo	144		4
5	Del1962	144		4
5	Hfgon1	144		4
5	Ingsve	144		4
5	Kazistuta	144		4
5	Peixotini	144		4
5	Ray10	144		4
5	Triley36	144		4
14	LosBrolin	115
15	SlowClimber	98
16	NBFC1962	91
17	Ruvu	90
18	Vladimir	83
19	Armchair	79
20	DJSprtsch	78
20	Laarsland	78
20	Shakes	78
23	Leadbelly	76
24	Bminchow	66
24	JonEzeitza	66
24	Josedin	66
24	Onizuka	66
24	QueenStagiare	66
29	Search	25
30	Rufs	20
31	Blues_in_the_Bottle	12
32	RedheadDane	10
33	SamuCuenca	0
	CollectiveWisdom	144
	SoLastYear	5
	MainGamePop	78

Standings

Green

1	SamuCuenca	301.14	(-)
2	Armchair	267.1	(-)
3	DevilsElbow	229.48	(+1)
4	DJW	220.46	(+4)
5	Shakes	208.14	(-2)
6	EvansIsTheBest	192.98	(+13)
7	SlowClimber	186.8	(-2)
8	Onizuka	180.14	(-2)
9	Blues_in_the_Bottle	178.96	(-2)
10	DJSprtsch	168.48	(-1)

Overall
The leading pair both had the Van Aert-Morgado combination, while those 3rd and 4th managed to hold off those chasing despite not having Morgado.

1	DevilsElbow	1663	(-)
2	Ingsve	1575	(-)
3	DJSprtsch	1469	(-)
4	Laarsland	1449	(-)
5	Madrazo	1427	(+1)
6	Peixotini	1421	(+1)
7	DJW	1419	(+2)
8	Ruvu	1410	(-3)
9	EvansIsTheBest	1386	(+3)
9	Ray10	1386	(+1)
11	Hfgon1	1382	(-)
12	SlowClimber	1370	(-4)
13	AmisVelo	1342	(+1)
14	Del1962	1301	(+2)
15	Triley36	1298	(+2)
16	Abbulf	1280	(+3)
17	Armchair	1271	(-2)
18	Kazistuta	1247	(+2)
19	Shakes	1231	(-1)
20	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1213	(-7)
21	LosBrolin	1183	(+1)
22	Vladimir	1172	(-1)
23	SamuCuenca	1021	(-)
24	Bminchow	987	(+2)
25	Search	981	(-1)
26	Rufs	949	(-1)
27	Onizuka	845	(-)
28	Leadbelly	844	(-)
29	QueenStagiare	726	(-)
30	NBFC1962	674	(+1)
31	RedheadDane	613	(-1)
32	JonEzeitza	605	(-)
33	Josedin	409	(-)
	CollectiveWisdom	1655
	SoLastYear	232
	MainGamePop	798

In 2016, and again (though not as dramatically) in 2018, Enrico Gasparotto scored freely in the Ardennes to expose some teams who had overlooked those races in their selections, and greatly changed the table towards the end: will any rider serve the same function this time around?

We might get clues on Sunday.

Samu Cuenca · Apr 20, 2025

Two riders in the top 10 in Amstel should keep my Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde streak going. The Van Aert teams will obviously have beaten me, but last place is avoided.

Armchair Cyclist · Apr 20, 2025

Samu Cuenca said:
Two riders in the top 10 in Amstel should keep my Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde streak going. The Van Aert teams will obviously have beaten me, but last place is avoided.

Not as many of them as you might expect.

Armchair Cyclist · Apr 21, 2025

Race 21 Amstel Gold

Race Pos'n	Pts	Teams
4	VAN AERT Wout	96	19
6	BARRE Louis	76	1
8	BENOOT Tiesj	58	3
9	PIDCOCK Thomas	52	6
10	HEALY Ben	46	1
12	NYS Thibau	35	2
16	HERMANS Quinten	21	1
18	KAMP Alexander	18	1
21	TULETT Ben	15	14

and another 11 finishers with 5 pts.

Evans is top scorer twice in 48 hours, again largely due to the Van Aert/Pidcock combination

1	EvansIsTheBest	173	Van Aert, Pidcock, Tulett	80
2	Ruvu	164	Van Aert, Benoot	50
3	DJW	159	Van Aert, Benoot	35
4	SlowClimber	153	Van Aert, Pidcock,	25
5	SamuCuenca	137	Barre, Healy, Tulett	15
6	DevilsElbow	126		10
7	AmisVelo	121		2.75
7	DJSprtsch	121		2.75
7	Ingsve	121		2.75
7	Madrazo	121		2.75
11	Del1962	116
11	Kazistuta	116
13	Laarsland	111
13	Ray10	111
15	Hfgon1	106
15	Triley36	106
17	Abbulf	101
17	Peixotini	101
17	Vladimir	101
20	Shakes	96
21	Rufs	77
22	Search	72
23	Armchair	63
23	Blues_in_the_Bottle	63
25	LosBrolin	62
25	NBFC1962	62
27	Onizuka	40
28	RedheadDane	31
29	Bminchow	15
29	QueenStagiare	15
31	Leadbelly	10
32	JonEzeitza	0
32	Josedin	0
	CollectiveWisdom	121
	SoLastYear	0
	MainGamePop	101

Standings

Green points
Evans, like Armchair whom he overtakes, now has two outright wins, but Samu has three, and with just three races remaining, there are now 5 managers who cannot win this.

1	SamuCuenca	316.14	(-)
2	EvansIsTheBest	272.98	(+4)
3	Armchair	267.1	(-1)
4	DJW	255.46	(-)
5	DevilsElbow	239.48	(-2)
6	Ruvu	213.85	(+6)
7	SlowClimber	211.8	(-)
8	Shakes	208.14	(-3)
9	Onizuka	180.14	(-1)
10	Blues_in_the_Bottle	178.96	(-1)

Overall

For all that there is a general perception that Van Aert is performing below expectations, the lowest placed team that has him only has two non-WvA teams above it, and the highest without him only sits ahead of two that include him.

Benoot moved DJW and Ruvu a little closer to the podium, but otherwise there were only small differences between those high in the rankings. And our leader remains just ahead of the Collective Wisdom team, with

1	DevilsElbow	1789	(-)
2	Ingsve	1696	(-)
3	DJSprtsch	1590	(-)
4	DJW	1578	(+3)
5	Ruvu	1574	(+3)
6	Laarsland	1560	(-2)
7	EvansIsTheBest	1559	(+2)
8	Madrazo	1548	(-3)
9	SlowClimber	1523	(+3)
10	Peixotini	1522	(-4)
11	Ray10	1497	(-2)
12	Hfgon1	1488	(-1)
13	AmisVelo	1463	(-)
14	Del1962	1417	(-)
15	Triley36	1404	(-)
16	Abbulf	1381	(-)
17	Kazistuta	1363	(+1)
18	Armchair	1334	(-1)
19	Shakes	1327	(-)
20	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1276	(-)
21	Vladimir	1273	(+1)
22	LosBrolin	1245	(-1)
23	SamuCuenca	1158	(-)
24	Search	1053	(+1)
25	Rufs	1026	(+1)
26	Bminchow	1002	(-2)
27	Onizuka	885	(-)
28	Leadbelly	854	(-)
29	QueenStagiare	741	(-)
30	NBFC1962	736	(-)
31	RedheadDane	644	(-)
32	JonEzeitza	605	(-)
33	Josedin	409	(-)
	CollectiveWisdom	1776
	SoLastYear	232
	MainGamePop	899

Three races left: by Wednesday evening it will only be two.

EvansIsTheBest · Apr 21, 2025

Well that's a fun week-end for my team. But probably not enough in the end.

Armchair Cyclist · Thursday at 8:47 AM

Race 22 Fleche Wallonne

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
3	PIDCOCK Thomas	112	6
5	HEALY Ben	86	1
8	NYS Thibau	58	2
12	BENOOT Tiesj	35	3
13	CHRISTEN Jan	30	4
19	TULETT Ben	17	14
23	SCARONI Christian	13	9
24	BARRE Louis	12	1
25	NORDHAGEN Jørgen	11	2
30	GLIVAR Gal	6	2

but only 8 five point finishers, suggesting that many of the riders we were mainly focussed on in our picks have finished their spring programmes.

Los Brolin becomes the 4th manager to get 2 outright wins:

1	LosBrolin	135	Pidcock, Scaroni	80
2	EvansIsTheBest	134	Pidcock, Tulett	50
3	Rufs	129	Pidcock, Tulett	30
3	Search	129	Pidcock, Tulett	30
5	SamuCuenca	128	Healy, Tulett, Scaroni, Barre	15
6	NBFC1962	117	Pidcock	7.5
6	SlowClimber	117	Pidcock	7.5
8	Onizuka	75		3
9	Armchair	68		2
10	Laarsland	60		1
11	Josedin	43
12	Ingsve	41
13	Ruvu	40
14	Abbulf	35
14	Blues_in_the_Bottle	35
14	DJW	35
17	Bminchow	30
17	JonEzeitza	30
17	Ray10	30
20	Hfgon1	23
20	Leadbelly	23
22	DevilsElbow	22
22	DJSprtsch	22
22	Kazistuta	22
25	AmisVelo	17
25	Del1962	17
25	Madrazo	17
28	RedheadDane	11
29	Peixotini	5
29	QueenStagiare	5
29	Shakes	5
29	Triley36	5
29	Vladimir	5
	CollectiveWisdom	35
	SoLastYear	5
	MainGamePop	0

Standings
Green
Two wins in a row, and then second, missing out by just one point, but Evans still can't dislodge Samu in this table.
With two races to go, there are now 12 teams who could win, so I'll extend beyond the normal top ten here:

1	SamuCuenca	331.14	(-)
2	EvansIsTheBest	322.98	(-)
3	Armchair	269.1	(-)
4	DJW	255.46	(-)
5	DevilsElbow	239.48	(-)
6	LosBrolin	234.96	(+8)
7	SlowClimber	219.3	(-)
8	Ruvu	213.85	(-2)
9	Shakes	208.14	(-1)
10	Onizuka	183.14	(-1)
11	Blues_in_the_Bottle	178.96	(-1)
12	DJSprtsch	171.23	(-1)

Overall

So, how much post-cobble change in the table is on the cards? Essentially, the balance of the game sits on Pidcock's shoulders in L-B-L, and then see what happens with other riders.

1	DevilsElbow	1811	(-)
2	Ingsve	1737	(-)
3	EvansIsTheBest	1693	(+4)
4	SlowClimber	1640	(+5)
5	Laarsland	1620	(+1)
6	Ruvu	1614	(-1)
7	DJW	1613	(-3)
8	DJSprtsch	1612	(-5)
9	Madrazo	1565	(-1)
10	Peixotini	1527	(-)
10	Ray10	1527	(+1)
12	Hfgon1	1511	(-)
13	AmisVelo	1480	(-)
14	Del1962	1434	(-)
15	Abbulf	1416	(+1)
16	Triley36	1409	(-1)
17	Armchair	1402	(+1)
18	Kazistuta	1385	(-1)
19	LosBrolin	1380	(+3)
20	Shakes	1332	(-1)
21	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1311	(-1)
22	SamuCuenca	1286	(+1)
23	Vladimir	1278	(-2)
24	Search	1182	(-)
25	Rufs	1155	(-)
26	Bminchow	1032	(-)
27	Onizuka	960	(-)
28	Leadbelly	877	(-)
29	NBFC1962	853	(+1)
30	QueenStagiare	746	(-1)
31	RedheadDane	655	(-)
32	JonEzeitza	635	(-)
33	Josedin	452	(-)
	CollectiveWisdom	1811
	SoLastYear	237
	MainGamePop	899

All eyes on Pidcock on Sunday for the penultimate event.

Devil's Elbow · Thursday at 12:43 PM

I did actually select some riders with these races in mind, but none of them seem to be doing much. A top-4 for Pidcock on Sunday would therefore be enough for EITB to overtake me.

EvansIsTheBest · Saturday at 12:18 PM

Devil's Elbow said:
I did actually select some riders with these races in mind, but none of them seem to be doing much. A top-4 for Pidcock on Sunday would therefore be enough for EITB to overtake me.

Top 4 might be a bit of a stretch. Evenepoel and Pogacar will almost take two of those spots, that doesn't leave much room. But it's fun to see one of those games come down to the wire considering the non competitive nature of the last few editions of the main game.

Frankfurt is always a bit of a lottery in this game as nobody really knows which riders are going to race there when building their team so Pidcock doing well in LBL might not be enough anyway.

Armchair Cyclist · 2025-04-27T11:39:19+0100

Can I award myself points for unique pick Ceriel Desal doing most Spring Classic breakaway kilometres?

Devil's Elbow · 2025-04-27T15:33:12+0100

6th and 20th today, looks like it's enough to hold on for now. And now we hope that the tombola in Frankfurt goes my way, because things are closer than ever.

Armchair Cyclist · 2025-04-28T00:33:13+0100

Race 23 Liege-Bastogne-Liege

Race Pos'n		Pts	Teams
3	HEALY Ben	145	1 (Samu Cuenca)
5	NYS Thibau	112	2 (Armchair, Onizuka)
6	BAGIOLI Andrea	100	10
9	PIDCOCK Thomas	70	6
13	BENOOT Tiesj	42	3 (Blues in the Bottle, DJW, Ruvu)
14	VERSTRYNGE Emiel	38	1 (NBFC)
20	TULETT Ben	24	14
23	SCARONI Christian	18	9
24	JEGAT Jordan	16	1
25	BARRE Louis	14	1

and 10 fivers

And a bit of a shock (to me at least) in the daily scores:

1	Armchair	217	Nys & Bagioli	80
2	SamuCuenca	201	Healy, Scaroni, Tulett, Barre	50
3	EvansIsTheBest	194	Bagioli, Pidcock, Tulett,	35
4	SlowClimber	170	Bagioli, Pidcock	25
5	DevilsElbow	129	Bagioli, Tulett	15
6	Leadbelly	128	Bagioli, Scaroni	10
7	DJSprtsch	124		5
8	Hfgon1	123		3
9	Onizuka	117		2
10	NBFC1962	113		1
11	QueenStagiare	110
12	Abbulf	100
12	Triley36	100
14	Rufs	94
14	Search	94
16	LosBrolin	93
17	Blues_in_the_Bottle	47
17	Ruvu	47
19	Bminchow	42
19	DJW	42
19	Ingsve	42
19	Laarsland	42
19	Ray10	42
24	RedheadDane	31
25	AmisVelo	29
25	Kazistuta	29
25	Madrazo	29
28	Del1962	24
29	Josedin	18
30	Vladimir	10
	CollectiveWisdom	142
	SoLastYear	5

Standings
Green
The top three on today's points were already the top three in this classification. And no-one else is within range of removing any of them from the podium in the one remaining event.

1	SamuCuenca	381.14	(-)
2	EvansIsTheBest	357.98	(-)
3	Armchair	349.1	(-)
4	DJW	255.46	(-)
5	DevilsElbow	254.48	(-)
6	SlowClimber	244.3	(+1)
7	LosBrolin	234.96	(-1)
8	Ruvu	213.85	(-)
9	Shakes	208.14	(-)
10	Onizuka	185.14	(-)

Overall
Pidcock didn't have the result that would have made a change at the top, and Ingsve loses his podium spot for want of Bagioli.

1	DevilsElbow	1940	(-)
2	EvansIsTheBest	1887	(+1)
3	SlowClimber	1810	(+1)
4	Ingsve	1779	(-2)
5	DJSprtsch	1736	(+3)
6	Laarsland	1662	(-1)
7	Ruvu	1661	(-1)
8	DJW	1655	(-1)
9	Hfgon1	1634	(+3)
10	Armchair	1619	(+7)
11	Madrazo	1594	(-2)
12	Ray10	1569	(-2)
13	Peixotini	1527	(-3)
14	Abbulf	1516	(+1)
15	AmisVelo	1509	(-2)
15	Triley36	1509	(+1)
17	SamuCuenca	1487	(+5)
18	LosBrolin	1473	(+1)
19	Del1962	1458	(-5)
20	Kazistuta	1414	(-2)
21	Blues_in_the_Bottle	1358	(-)
22	Shakes	1332	(-2)
23	Vladimir	1288	(-)
24	Search	1276	(-)
25	Rufs	1249	(-)
26	Onizuka	1077	(+1)
27	Bminchow	1074	(-1)
28	Leadbelly	1005	(-)
29	NBFC1962	966	(-)
30	QueenStagiare	856	(-)
31	RedheadDane	686	(-)
32	JonEzeitza	635	(-)
33	Josedin	470	(-)
	CollectiveWisdom	1953
	SoLastYear	242
	MainGamePop	899

So, anyone got anyone racing in Frankfurt on Thursday? That is the last leg, and by then you'll have more startlist details to apply your selection skills to the Giro.

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