- May 5, 2010
- 51,696
- 30,244
- 28,180
- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
Stage 2
More mountain sprint than MTF
Green points
We are rather more invested in today's results than yesterday's
Standings
Three of those that benefitted from yesterday's sprint also had Vingegaard: they are now the top two in the minor classification.
Red points
There will be gains and losses every stage, but not normally as major as this:
so our teams also have huge fluctuations (mainly for the better)
Standings
Some of us have been doing these games for about 10 years now: the rookie player is in second place, and after some below par recent games, Bminchow suggests that he remembers how to score well after all.
Tomorrow looks like a stage on which most point changes will be those on the stage, but with a lot of riders on same time as others, there will be some GC changes on countback.
More mountain sprint than MTF
Green points
We are rather more invested in today's results than yesterday's
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 70 pts | 26 teams |
| CICCONE Giulio | 40 | 1 |
| GAUDU David | 25 | 0 |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | 15 | 20 |
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | 10 | 2 |
| GALL Felix | 7 | 2 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 5 | 13 |
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | 3 | 4 |
| JORGENSON Matteo | 2 | 0 |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | 1 | 0 |
1 | Armchair_Cyclist | 90 | Vingegaard, Bernal and Hindley |
1 | Bminchow | 90 | |
1 | Del1962 | 90 | |
1 | Hayneplane | 90 | |
1 | Hfgon1 | 90 | |
1 | LosBrolin | 90 | |
1 | Madrazo | 90 | |
1 | MagliaNera | 90 | |
1 | Shakes | 90 | |
10 | BicycleBoy | 85 | Vingegaard & Bernal |
10 | Ingsve | 85 | |
10 | JumboVismaFan | 85 | |
10 | Kazistuta | 85 | |
10 | NBFC1962 | 85 | |
10 | QueenStagiaire | 85 | |
10 | Titan31 | 85 | |
10 | YellowKnight | 85 | |
18 | Triley36 | 80 | Vingegaard and Almeida |
19 | Onizuka999 | 77 | |
20 | DevilsElbow | 75 | |
20 | Rufs | 75 | |
22 | DJSprtsch | 73 | |
22 | EvansIsTheBest | 73 | |
24 | BluesInTheBottle | 70 | |
24 | DJW | 70 | |
24 | Vladimir | 70 | |
27 | Search | 40 | Ciccone |
28 | Leadbelly | 27 | |
29 | AmisVelo | 20 | |
30 | Laarsland | 18 | |
31 | Peixotini | 10 | |
32 | Nevs | 3 | |
33 | RedheadDane | 0 | |
33 | SamuCuenca | 0 | |
| Collective_Wisdom | 90 | ||
| Default | 0 |
Standings
Three of those that benefitted from yesterday's sprint also had Vingegaard: they are now the top two in the minor classification.
1 | Ingsve | 100 | Vingegaard, Bernal, Viviani |
2 | Triley36 | 95 | Vingegaard, Viviani |
3 | Vingegaard, Bernal, Hindley teams | 90 | |
12 | Kazistuta | 86 | Vingegaard, Bernal, Mihkels |
13 | Vingegaard and Bernal teams | 85 | |
19 | Onizuka999 | 77 | |
20 | DevilsElbow | 75 | |
20 | Rufs | 75 |
Red points
There will be gains and losses every stage, but not normally as major as this:
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 660 point difference since yesterday | 26 teams |
| CICCONE Giulio | 437 | 1 |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | 267 | 20 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 184 | 13 |
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | 138 | 4 |
| SOLER Marc | 120 | 3 |
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | 107 | 2 |
| LECERF William Junior | 105 | 2 |
| PARET PEINTRE Valentin | 89 | 3 |
| KUSS Sepp | 81 | 8 |
| RICCITELLO Matthew | 63 | 10 |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 59 | 13 |
| VAN UDEN Casper | -55 | 7 |
| TURNER Ben | -75 | 1 |
| VAN DIJKE Tim | -81 | 1 |
| MIHKELS Madis | -89 | 1 |
| VIVIANI Elia | -184 | 3 |
| BOUWMAN Koen | -203 | 2 |
so our teams also have huge fluctuations (mainly for the better)
1 | MagliaNera | 1276 |
2 | Hfgon1 | 1263 |
3 | Bminchow | 1262 |
4 | Madrazo | 1241 |
5 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1225 |
6 | Del1962 | 1213 |
7 | Hayneplane | 1208 |
8 | YellowKnight | 1201 |
9 | BicycleBoy | 1185 |
10 | LosBrolin | 1168 |
11 | Shakes | 1119 |
12 | JumboVismaFan | 1067 |
13 | NBFC1962 | 1033 |
14 | Ingsve | 1006 |
15 | Titan31 | 968 |
16 | Kazistuta | 943 |
17 | QueenStagiaire | 939 |
18 | EvansIsTheBest | 911 |
19 | Vladimir | 876 |
20 | DJW | 825 |
21 | BluesInTheBottle | 808 |
22 | Onizuka999 | 805 |
23 | Rufs | 786 |
24 | DevilsElbow | 751 |
25 | AmisVelo | 742 |
26 | Leadbelly | 685 |
27 | DJSprtsch | 659 |
28 | Triley36 | 617 |
29 | Search | 581 |
30 | Laarsland | 535 |
31 | RedheadDane | 175 |
32 | Nevs | 168 |
33 | SamuCuenca | 35 |
34 | Peixotini | -40 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1275 | |
| Default | -321 |
Standings
Some of us have been doing these games for about 10 years now: the rookie player is in second place, and after some below par recent games, Bminchow suggests that he remembers how to score well after all.
1 | Bminchow | 1430 | (+11) |
2 | MagliaNera | 1425 | (+13) |
3 | Hfgon1 | 1412 | (+12) |
4 | Hayneplane | 1412 | (+4) |
5 | Madrazo | 1390 | (+10) |
6 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1374 | (+9) |
7 | Del1962 | 1362 | (+8) |
8 | Ingsve | 1334 | (-4) |
9 | YellowKnight | 1329 | (+20) |
10 | LosBrolin | 1317 | (+5) |
11 | BicycleBoy | 1313 | (+18) |
12 | Shakes | 1268 | (+3) |
13 | Kazistuta | 1216 | (-6) |
14 | JumboVismaFan | 1195 | (+15) |
15 | NBFC1962 | 1161 | (+14) |
16 | DevilsElbow | 1158 | (-14) |
17 | Titan31 | 1151 | (-7) |
18 | QueenStagiaire | 1142 | (-9) |
19 | Rufs | 1110 | (-13) |
20 | EvansIsTheBest | 1040 | (+8) |
21 | DJSprtsch | 1007 | (-18) |
22 | Vladimir | 1004 | (+7) |
23 | DJW | 992 | (-10) |
24 | BluesInTheBottle | 951 | (-2) |
25 | Triley36 | 945 | (-21) |
26 | Onizuka999 | 940 | (-1) |
27 | AmisVelo | 883 | (-4) |
28 | Leadbelly | 826 | (-5) |
29 | Search | 759 | (-18) |
30 | Laarsland | 655 | (+4) |
31 | Peixotini | 374 | (-30) |
32 | Nevs | 325 | (-18) |
33 | RedheadDane | 308 | (-7) |
34 | SamuCuenca | 168 | (-8) |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1424 | ||
| Default | 364 |
- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
The spreadsheet should now be fit for public release.
You'll see that I have included 2 tabs for Team similarity. The first, regarding how much of the budgets have been spent in the same way, has three instances of teams having spent more than 3000 on the same group of riders: Los Brolin and Madrazo matching each other's receipts to the extent of 3048, and both of them havin 3033 spent in the same way as I did (so they must both have Simon Carr).
The second is based simply on the number of riders held in common: Hfgon shares 6 riders with both Del1962 and Madrazo (and 7 with the Collective Wisdom group), while 5 rider overlaps are found between:
Amis Velo - Hfgon
Amis Velo - Leadbelly
Del - Madrazo
Hfgon -Los Brolin
Hfgon - Maglia Nera
Kazistuta - Titan
Los Brolin - Madrazo
and strangest of all, considering where they each are in the popularity table, Redhead Dane and Samu Cuenca.
Anyway, if you think you can make head or tail of my very inefficient Excel efforts, or if you reckon you can make interesting discoveries, the spreadsheet is on Google drive here, and hopefully I will remember to press save and update that each time I do an update. I might think to repeat the location occasionally, but if you will want to explore it, remember which post I have put the link in.
You'll see that I have included 2 tabs for Team similarity. The first, regarding how much of the budgets have been spent in the same way, has three instances of teams having spent more than 3000 on the same group of riders: Los Brolin and Madrazo matching each other's receipts to the extent of 3048, and both of them havin 3033 spent in the same way as I did (so they must both have Simon Carr).
The second is based simply on the number of riders held in common: Hfgon shares 6 riders with both Del1962 and Madrazo (and 7 with the Collective Wisdom group), while 5 rider overlaps are found between:
Amis Velo - Hfgon
Amis Velo - Leadbelly
Del - Madrazo
Hfgon -Los Brolin
Hfgon - Maglia Nera
Kazistuta - Titan
Los Brolin - Madrazo
and strangest of all, considering where they each are in the popularity table, Redhead Dane and Samu Cuenca.
Anyway, if you think you can make head or tail of my very inefficient Excel efforts, or if you reckon you can make interesting discoveries, the spreadsheet is on Google drive here, and hopefully I will remember to press save and update that each time I do an update. I might think to repeat the location occasionally, but if you will want to explore it, remember which post I have put the link in.
- Dec 27, 2016
- 550
- 134
- 9,780
Yes, i was starting to get concerned that I had lost all concept on how to play this game.
- May 5, 2010
- 51,696
- 30,244
- 28,180
- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
Stage 3
I do like these mixed up top tens: Vingegaard/Gaudu/Ciccone, so it must be a mountainous stage; but Pedersen/Aular, so it's a hard sprint; but Labrosse/Koerdt, so ???
Green points
The same triple combination as yesterday leads the way today: Vingegaard, Bernal and Hindley
Standings
This is the minor classification, so I normally just show the top ten. The same riders as yesterday are relevant, so the same teams are in the same positions
Red points
Rather less dramatic change than yesterday:
DJW, Peixotini and Rufs suffer the first loss of a selected rider (Zingle)
All 8 riders in credit in Yellow Knight's team
Standings
GC position change on countback for Paret Peintre and Kuss are the reason for Yellow Knight's jump.
I do like these mixed up top tens: Vingegaard/Gaudu/Ciccone, so it must be a mountainous stage; but Pedersen/Aular, so it's a hard sprint; but Labrosse/Koerdt, so ???
Green points
| GAUDU David | 70 | 0 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 40 | 0 |
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 25 | 26 |
| CICCONE Giulio | 15 | 1 |
| LABROSSE Jordan | 10 | 0 |
| AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto | 7 | 0 |
| BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago | 5 | 0 |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | 3 | 20 |
| KOERDT Bjoern | 2 | 0 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 1 | 13 |
The same triple combination as yesterday leads the way today: Vingegaard, Bernal and Hindley
1 | Shakes | 29 |
1 | MagliaNera | 29 |
1 | Madrazo | 29 |
1 | LosBrolin | 29 |
1 | Hfgon1 | 29 |
1 | Hayneplane | 29 |
1 | Del1962 | 29 |
1 | Bminchow | 29 |
1 | Armchair_Cyclist | 29 |
10 | YellowKnight | 28 |
10 | Titan31 | 28 |
10 | QueenStagiaire | 28 |
10 | NBFC1962 | 28 |
10 | Kazistuta | 28 |
10 | JumboVismaFan | 28 |
10 | Ingsve | 28 |
10 | BicycleBoy | 28 |
18 | Rufs | 26 |
18 | DevilsElbow | 26 |
20 | Vladimir | 25 |
20 | Triley36 | 25 |
20 | Onizuka999 | 25 |
20 | EvansIsTheBest | 25 |
20 | DJW | 25 |
20 | DJSprtsch | 25 |
20 | BluesInTheBottle | 25 |
27 | Search | 15 |
28 | Leadbelly | 4 |
28 | AmisVelo | 4 |
30 | Laarsland | 3 |
31 | SamuCuenca | 0 |
31 | RedheadDane | 0 |
31 | Peixotini | 0 |
31 | Nevs | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 29 | |
| Default | 0 |
This is the minor classification, so I normally just show the top ten. The same riders as yesterday are relevant, so the same teams are in the same positions
1 | Ingsve | 128 | (-) |
2 | Triley36 | 120 | (-) |
3 | Armchair_Cyclist | 119 | (-) |
3 | Bminchow | 119 | (-) |
3 | Del1962 | 119 | (-) |
3 | Hayneplane | 119 | (-) |
3 | Hfgon1 | 119 | (-) |
3 | LosBrolin | 119 | (-) |
3 | Madrazo | 119 | (-) |
3 | MagliaNera | 119 | (-) |
3 | Shakes | 119 | (-) |
Rather less dramatic change than yesterday:
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 58 | 26 |
| PARET PEINTRE Valentin | 31 | 3 |
| KUSS Sepp | 16 | 8 |
| LANGELLOTTI Victor | 16 | 1 |
| QUINN Sean | 12 | 3 |
| HARPER Chris | -13 | 1 |
| ZINGLE Axel | -15 | 3 |
| SOBRERO Matteo | -21 | 1 |
| CICCONE Giulio | -30 | 1 |
| LECERF William Junior | -30 | 2 |
| SOLER Marc | -51 | 3 |
All 8 riders in credit in Yellow Knight's team
1 | YellowKnight | 125 |
2 | Bminchow | 99 |
3 | JumboVismaFan | 87 |
4 | Hayneplane | 86 |
5 | EvansIsTheBest | 84 |
6 | Triley36 | 80 |
7 | Armchair_Cyclist | 79 |
8 | Titan31 | 78 |
9 | DJSprtsch | 77 |
9 | MagliaNera | 77 |
11 | DJW | 73 |
12 | Del1962 | 72 |
13 | BluesInTheBottle | 71 |
13 | QueenStagiaire | 71 |
15 | NBFC1962 | 70 |
16 | Shakes | 68 |
17 | Hfgon1 | 67 |
18 | Onizuka999 | 66 |
19 | LosBrolin | 62 |
20 | Kazistuta | 61 |
21 | Madrazo | 58 |
22 | Vladimir | 52 |
23 | Rufs | 48 |
24 | Ingsve | 29 |
25 | AmisVelo | 26 |
26 | Leadbelly | 25 |
27 | DevilsElbow | 13 |
27 | Laarsland | 13 |
29 | SamuCuenca | 10 |
30 | Nevs | 9 |
31 | Peixotini | -11 |
32 | BicycleBoy | -12 |
33 | Search | -22 |
34 | RedheadDane | -45 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 67 | |
| Default | -63 |
GC position change on countback for Paret Peintre and Kuss are the reason for Yellow Knight's jump.
1 | Bminchow | 1529 | (-) |
2 | MagliaNera | 1502 | (-) |
3 | Hayneplane | 1498 | (+1) |
4 | Hfgon1 | 1479 | (-1) |
5 | YellowKnight | 1454 | (+4) |
6 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1453 | (-) |
7 | Madrazo | 1448 | (-2) |
8 | Del1962 | 1434 | (-1) |
9 | LosBrolin | 1379 | (+1) |
10 | Ingsve | 1363 | (-2) |
11 | Shakes | 1336 | (+1) |
12 | BicycleBoy | 1301 | (-1) |
13 | JumboVismaFan | 1282 | (+1) |
14 | Kazistuta | 1277 | (-1) |
15 | NBFC1962 | 1231 | (-) |
16 | Titan31 | 1229 | (+1) |
17 | QueenStagiaire | 1213 | (+1) |
18 | DevilsElbow | 1171 | (-2) |
19 | Rufs | 1158 | (-) |
20 | EvansIsTheBest | 1124 | (-) |
21 | DJSprtsch | 1084 | (-) |
22 | DJW | 1065 | (+1) |
23 | Vladimir | 1056 | (-1) |
24 | Triley36 | 1025 | (+1) |
25 | BluesInTheBottle | 1022 | (-1) |
26 | Onizuka999 | 1006 | (-) |
27 | AmisVelo | 909 | (-) |
28 | Leadbelly | 851 | (-) |
29 | Search | 737 | (-) |
30 | Laarsland | 668 | (-) |
31 | Peixotini | 363 | (-) |
32 | Nevs | 334 | (-) |
33 | RedheadDane | 263 | (-) |
34 | SamuCuenca | 178 | (-) |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1491 | ||
| Default | 301 |
- Jun 30, 2022
- 7,442
- 10,829
- 17,180
- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
Stage 4
From Italy to France
Green points
Those in even numbered positions were to be expected in a spring stage, the odd positions, not so much
Turner wasn't on the start list when most of us submitted our selections. But the other eight were, so our excuses are limited.
70 points for Queen Stagiaire, 1 for Titan31
Standings
Titan holds the same position (13th) but would have dropped if not for that Buratti point.
Red points
Vingegaard not only loses the GC lead on countback, but also drops in the Sprint and KoM classifications
Many of the losses today may well prove to be temporary: they at least look dramatic. The teams without Vingegaard are the top 8 today.
The bottom three in this list have Paret Peintre as well as Vingegaard: two of yesterday's top three suffer that withdrawal.
Standings
Our first timer takes the lead
Although the daily difference tables look bad for Vingegaard and those that picked him, those teams still hold the top 19 places.
Tomorrow each of our teams gets a bonus according to how wealthy the teams that employ out picks are.
From Italy to France
Green points
Those in even numbered positions were to be expected in a spring stage, the odd positions, not so much
| TURNER Ben | 70 | 1 |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 40 | 0 |
| PLANCKAERT Edward | 25 | 0 |
| VERNON Ethan | 15 | 0 |
| BIERMANS Jenthe | 10 | 0 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 7 | 0 |
| CHRISTEN Fabio | 5 | 0 |
| AULAR SANABRIA Orluis Alberto | 3 | 0 |
| SILVA COUSSAN Guillermo Thomas | 2 | 0 |
| BURATTI Nicolo | 1 | 1 |
Turner wasn't on the start list when most of us submitted our selections. But the other eight were, so our excuses are limited.
70 points for Queen Stagiaire, 1 for Titan31
Standings
1 | QueenStagiaire | 183 | (+12) |
2 | Ingsve | 128 | (-1) |
3 | Triley36 | 120 | (-1) |
4= | nine teams with Vingegaard/Bernal/Hindley | 119 | (-1) |
Titan holds the same position (13th) but would have dropped if not for that Buratti point.
Red points
Vingegaard not only loses the GC lead on countback, but also drops in the Sprint and KoM classifications
| TURNER Ben | 73 | 1 |
| KUSS Sepp | 38 | 8 |
| QUINN Sean | 28 | 3 |
| SOLER Marc | 20 | 3 |
| LANDA MEANA Mikel | 12 | 12 |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | -12 | 13 |
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | -15 | 4 |
| HIRT Jan | -27 | 13 |
| CICCONE Giulio | -35 | 1 |
| PARET PEINTRE Valentin | -135 | 3 |
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | -215 | 26 |
Many of the losses today may well prove to be temporary: they at least look dramatic. The teams without Vingegaard are the top 8 today.
1 | AmisVelo | 43 |
2 | RedheadDane | 37 |
3 | Leadbelly | 26 |
4 | SamuCuenca | 15 |
5 | Peixotini | -10 |
6 | Search | -15 |
7 | Nevs | -23 |
8 | Laarsland | -29 |
9 | QueenStagiaire | -163 |
10 | DJW | -171 |
11 | MagliaNera | -172 |
12 | Armchair_Cyclist | -176 |
13 | JumboVismaFan | -187 |
14 | DevilsElbow | -189 |
15 | BluesInTheBottle | -193 |
16 | Rufs | -201 |
17 | LosBrolin | -208 |
18 | EvansIsTheBest | -212 |
18 | Shakes | -212 |
18 | Triley36 | -212 |
21 | BicycleBoy | -213 |
22 | DJSprtsch | -215 |
22 | NBFC1962 | -215 |
22 | Vladimir | -215 |
25 | Titan31 | -218 |
26 | Onizuka999 | -219 |
27 | Kazistuta | -224 |
28 | Del1962 | -225 |
28 | Hfgon1 | -225 |
30 | Madrazo | -239 |
31 | Ingsve | -244 |
32 | YellowKnight | -344 |
33 | Hayneplane | -351 |
34 | Bminchow | -378 |
| Collective_Wisdom | -249 | |
| Default | 60 |
The bottom three in this list have Paret Peintre as well as Vingegaard: two of yesterday's top three suffer that withdrawal.
Standings
Our first timer takes the lead
1 | MagliaNera | 1330 | (+1) |
2 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1277 | (+4) |
3 | Hfgon1 | 1254 | (+1) |
4 | Madrazo | 1209 | (+3) |
5 | Del1962 | 1209 | (+3) |
6 | LosBrolin | 1171 | (+3) |
7 | Bminchow | 1151 | (-6) |
8 | Hayneplane | 1147 | (-5) |
9 | Shakes | 1124 | (+2) |
10 | Ingsve | 1119 | (-) |
11 | YellowKnight | 1110 | (-6) |
12 | JumboVismaFan | 1095 | (+1) |
13 | BicycleBoy | 1088 | (-1) |
14 | Kazistuta | 1053 | (-) |
15 | QueenStagiaire | 1050 | (+2) |
16 | NBFC1962 | 1016 | (-1) |
17 | Titan31 | 1011 | (-1) |
18 | DevilsElbow | 982 | (-) |
19 | Rufs | 957 | (-) |
20 | AmisVelo | 952 | (+7) |
21 | EvansIsTheBest | 912 | (-1) |
22 | DJW | 894 | (-) |
23 | Leadbelly | 877 | (+5) |
24 | DJSprtsch | 869 | (-3) |
25 | Vladimir | 841 | (-2) |
26 | BluesInTheBottle | 829 | (-1) |
27 | Triley36 | 813 | (-3) |
28 | Onizuka999 | 787 | (-2) |
29 | Search | 722 | (-) |
30 | Laarsland | 639 | (-) |
31 | Peixotini | 353 | (-) |
32 | Nevs | 311 | (-) |
33 | RedheadDane | 300 | (-) |
34 | SamuCuenca | 193 | (-) |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1242 | ||
| Default | 361 |
Although the daily difference tables look bad for Vingegaard and those that picked him, those teams still hold the top 19 places.
Tomorrow each of our teams gets a bonus according to how wealthy the teams that employ out picks are.
- May 5, 2010
- 51,696
- 30,244
- 28,180
Wasn't the Maglia Nera the jersey given to the guy last in the GC (of the Giro) back in the day?
So rather ironic that someone with that name know leads the game.
So rather ironic that someone with that name know leads the game.
Indeed, and there were some quite legendary battles for the jersey. But I do also own a black jersey that I wear on rides quite often
Don't worry, though, I think my chances of carrying the lead all the way to Madrid are about as slim as Gaudu's.
- May 5, 2010
- 51,696
- 30,244
- 28,180
You're more than welcome to join the battle for... whatever the battle for last is for...
- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
Stage 5
Team time trial
I'm not a big fan of these in a GT, partly for reasons discussed elsewhere on the forum today, but also because I had to include a whole set of extra steps in the spreadsheet, and because CQ's point allocation for them is questionable.
Green points
No 70 points for anyone today, nor any points for those who finished detached from their team's fourth man. Far more than 10 scorers, so I'm only posting those that were picked.
A wide sprinkling of points today.
Standings
That's broken up the large group on the same score a bit:
Red points
No points in the minor categories, but very significant GC swings
Gains and losses galore
Standings
The top two yesterday were in the bottom 4 on the daily scores, so this will be a bit different:
The first 26 places are occupied by the 26 Vingegaard teams.
That sort of total re-arrangement of the table is what we usually see on the first mountain stage. Tomorrow: the first mountain stage.
.
Team time trial
I'm not a big fan of these in a GT, partly for reasons discussed elsewhere on the forum today, but also because I had to include a whole set of extra steps in the spreadsheet, and because CQ's point allocation for them is questionable.
Green points
No 70 points for anyone today, nor any points for those who finished detached from their team's fourth man. Far more than 10 scorers, so I'm only posting those that were picked.
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | 17 pts | 2 teams |
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | 17 | 4 |
| SOLER Marc | 17 | 3 |
| CAMPENAERTS Victor | 10 | 1 |
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 10 | 26 |
| CICCONE Giulio | 6 | 1 |
| KRAGH ANDERSEN Søren | 6 | 1 |
| FISHER-BLACK Finn | 3 | 1 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 3 | 13 |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 3 | 13 |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | 2 | 20 |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | 2 | 4 |
| TURNER Ben | 2 | 1 |
| BISIAUX Léo | 1 | 14 |
| CASTRILLO ZAPATER Pablo | 1 | 2 |
| GALL Felix | 1 | 2 |
| ROMO OLIVER Javier | 1 | 2 |
A wide sprinkling of points today.
1 | BicycleBoy | 40 |
2 | DJSprtsch | 33 |
3 | DevilsElbow | 30 |
4 | Triley36 | 29 |
5 | EvansIsTheBest | 28 |
6 | Laarsland | 23 |
7 | Nevs | 22 |
8 | Peixotini | 20 |
9 | RedheadDane | 19 |
10 | Hayneplane | 17 |
10 | JumboVismaFan | 17 |
12 | Del1962 | 16 |
12 | DJW | 16 |
12 | Hfgon1 | 16 |
12 | LosBrolin | 16 |
12 | Shakes | 16 |
12 | Titan31 | 16 |
12 | YellowKnight | 16 |
19 | Armchair_Cyclist | 15 |
19 | Bminchow | 15 |
19 | Ingsve | 15 |
19 | Kazistuta | 15 |
19 | Madrazo | 15 |
19 | MagliaNera | 15 |
19 | NBFC1962 | 15 |
19 | Onizuka999 | 15 |
27 | BluesInTheBottle | 14 |
27 | QueenStagiaire | 14 |
29 | Rufs | 13 |
29 | Vladimir | 13 |
31 | AmisVelo | 9 |
32 | Search | 7 |
33 | Leadbelly | 6 |
34 | SamuCuenca | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 19 | |
| Default | 3 |
Standings
That's broken up the large group on the same score a bit:
1 | QueenStagiaire | 197 | (-) |
2 | BicycleBoy | 153 | (+13) |
3 | Triley36 | 149 | (-) |
4 | Ingsve | 143 | (-2) |
5 | Hayneplane | 136 | (-1) |
6 | Del1962 | 135 | (-2) |
6 | Hfgon1 | 135 | (-2) |
6 | LosBrolin | 135 | (-2) |
6 | Shakes | 135 | (-2) |
10 | Armchair_Cyclist | 134 | (-6) |
10 | Bminchow | 134 | (-6) |
10 | Madrazo | 134 | (-6) |
10 | MagliaNera | 134 | (-6) |
Red points
No points in the minor categories, but very significant GC swings
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | 257 | 4 |
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | 212 | 2 |
| SOLER Marc | 178 | 3 |
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 153 | 26 |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 87 | 13 |
| GALL Felix | 57 | 2 |
| FISHER-BLACK Finn | 33 | 1 |
| BISIAUX Léo | 25 | 14 |
| FORTUNATO Lorenzo | -28 | 1 |
| TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso | -28 | 2 |
| CHUMIL GONZALEZ Sergio Geovani | -31 | 2 |
| LECERF William Junior | -36 | 2 |
| HINDLEY Jai | -47 | 13 |
| LANGELLOTTI Victor | -59 | 1 |
| CICCONE Giulio | -69 | 1 |
| KUSS Sepp | -104 | 8 |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | -128 | 20 |
Gains and losses galore
1 | DJSprtsch | 384 | Ayuso & Vingegaard |
2 | Nevs | 370 | Ayuso, Pellizzari & Bisiaux |
3 | Triley36 | 356 | Almeida & Vingegaard |
4 | EvansIsTheBest | 337 | Ayuso & Vingegaard, but Kuss |
5 | DevilsElbow | 296 | |
6 | Peixotini | 295 | |
7 | Onizuka999 | 288 | |
8 | BluesInTheBottle | 277 | |
9 | BicycleBoy | 202 | |
10 | RedheadDane | 186 | |
11 | Vladimir | 168 | |
12 | Laarsland | 163 | |
13 | Titan31 | 133 | |
14 | DJW | 132 | |
15 | Kazistuta | 112 | |
16 | NBFC1962 | 98 | |
17 | Ingsve | 76 | |
18 | Rufs | 59 | |
19 | YellowKnight | 41 | |
20 | QueenStagiaire | 27 | |
21 | JumboVismaFan | 3 | |
21 | Shakes | 3 | |
23 | SamuCuenca | -2 | |
24 | LosBrolin | -5 | |
25 | Hayneplane | -11 | |
26 | Hfgon1 | -21 | |
27 | Madrazo | -22 | |
28 | Del1962 | -33 | |
29 | Bminchow | -73 | |
30 | Search | -92 | |
31 | Armchair_Cyclist | -122 | |
31 | MagliaNera | -122 | |
33 | AmisVelo | -175 | |
34 | Leadbelly | -238 | |
| Collective_Wisdom | 86 | ||
| Default | 1 |
Standings
The top two yesterday were in the bottom 4 on the daily scores, so this will be a bit different:
1 | BicycleBoy | 1290 | (+12) |
2 | DevilsElbow | 1278 | (+16) |
3 | DJSprtsch | 1253 | (+21) |
4 | EvansIsTheBest | 1249 | (+17) |
5 | Hfgon1 | 1233 | (-2) |
6 | MagliaNera | 1208 | (-5) |
7 | Ingsve | 1195 | (+3) |
8 | Madrazo | 1187 | (-4) |
9 | Del1962 | 1176 | (-4) |
10 | Triley36 | 1169 | (+17) |
11 | LosBrolin | 1166 | (-5) |
12 | Kazistuta | 1165 | (+2) |
13 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1155 | (-11) |
14 | YellowKnight | 1151 | (-3) |
15 | Titan31 | 1144 | (+2) |
16 | Hayneplane | 1136 | (-8) |
17 | Shakes | 1127 | (-8) |
18 | NBFC1962 | 1114 | (-2) |
19 | BluesInTheBottle | 1106 | (+7) |
20 | JumboVismaFan | 1098 | (-8) |
21 | Bminchow | 1078 | (-14) |
22 | QueenStagiaire | 1077 | (-7) |
23 | Onizuka999 | 1075 | (+5) |
24 | DJW | 1026 | (-2) |
25 | Rufs | 1016 | (-6) |
26 | Vladimir | 1009 | (-1) |
27 | Laarsland | 802 | (+3) |
28 | AmisVelo | 777 | (-8) |
29 | Nevs | 681 | (+3) |
30 | Peixotini | 648 | (+1) |
31 | Leadbelly | 639 | (-8) |
32 | Search | 630 | (-3) |
33 | RedheadDane | 486 | (-) |
34 | SamuCuenca | 191 | (-) |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1328 | ||
| Default | 362 |
The first 26 places are occupied by the 26 Vingegaard teams.
That sort of total re-arrangement of the table is what we usually see on the first mountain stage. Tomorrow: the first mountain stage.
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- Sep 20, 2017
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CQ normally give points to everyone on the winning team, right? So I expect a correction on their end to follow, which would require a recalculation here. There was a reason I picked Novak over Hirt...
- Dec 12, 2010
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Riders that get dropped don't get points. Here's the relevant section in the CQ rulebook :
In a team time trial the points on the scale will be awarded to the team. For the individual ranking, these points will be divided by 4 and rounded downwards. The points will be awarded to all riders classified in the time that counts for the team classification.
Exception: In the ProTour TTT in Eindhoven (2005-2007) and the World Championship Team Time Trial all riders who start receive points.
- Dec 12, 2010
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Not a great sign that I built a Vingegaard/Ayuso team and that even when they are 1st and 2nd on GC I'm not in the lead. And I'm with you AC, I don't understand the point of TTT.
- Sep 20, 2017
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- Mar 22, 2010
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What's annoying is that even if Novak had been detached by just 2 seconds, and therefore finishing ahead of all of LidlTrek, he still gets no points. I guess CQ's defence would be that the lead-out man who is 11th in a sprint stage gets no points, no matter how helpful he was to his teammates efforts.
But I chose Novak over Hirt because I was more confident in him reaching Madrid and getting those 15 points.
- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
The fallacy of using the budget to the max. I illustrate the error by showing impeccable picks afetr each game, and I (and others) repeat the mistake the next time...
- Mar 22, 2010
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- 11,225
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Stage 6
Almost all the ten man break made the top ten
Green points
Breakaway stages are usually very hit and miss for green points, with some cheap team fillers hitting a jackpot.
And sometimes even doubling up, like getting 2nd and 3rd on the stage.
Standings
Trio of Traeen teams in the top three
Red points
I believe I said yesterday that the first mountain stage usually sees a big shake-up. But usually in favour of the main GC guys, not against them.
A spread of more than 1000 points on the day is very very unusual: losses of 600 points plus are, I suspect, unprecedented in the years I have been doing these games .
Standings
The four teams with Traeen have vaulted past ridiculous numbers of others to be in the top four, and correlation between yesterday's positions and today's are minimal.
And if tomorrow's stage brings the big names back to GC prominence, we might get almost as big a set of shifts again.
Almost all the ten man break made the top ten
Green points
Breakaway stages are usually very hit and miss for green points, with some cheap team fillers hitting a jackpot.
| VINE Jay | 70 | 0 |
| TRAEEN Torstein | 40 | 4 |
| FORTUNATO Lorenzo | 25 | 1 |
| ARMIRAIL Bruno | 15 | 0 |
| CASTRILLO ZAPATER Pablo | 10 | 2 |
| SHAW James | 7 | 0 |
| VERVAEKE Louis | 5 | 0 |
| DEBRUYNE Ramses | 3 | 0 |
| RYAN Archie | 2 | 3 |
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | 1 | 2 |
1 | Laarsland | 65 |
2 | QueenStagiaire | 42 |
2 | Titan31 | 42 |
4 | Kazistuta | 40 |
5 | Nevs | 10 |
5 | RedheadDane | 10 |
7 | JumboVismaFan | 2 |
8 | Peixotini | 1 |
8 | Triley36 | 1 |
10 | everyone else | 0 |
Standings
Trio of Traeen teams in the top three
1 | QueenStagiaire | 239 | (+21) | (-) |
2 | Titan31 | 172 | (+13) | (+14) |
3 | Kazistuta | 169 | (+9) | (+15) |
4 | BicycleBoy | 153 | (-3) | (-2) |
5 | Triley36 | 150 | (+5) | (-2) |
6 | Ingsve | 143 | (+1) | (-2) |
7 | Hayneplane | 136 | (+9) | (-2) |
8 | Del1962 | 135 | (+1) | (-2) |
8 | Hfgon1 | 135 | (-3) | (-2) |
8 | LosBrolin | 135 | (+3) | (-2) |
8 | Shakes | 135 | (+9) | (-2) |
Red points
I believe I said yesterday that the first mountain stage usually sees a big shake-up. But usually in favour of the main GC guys, not against them.
| TRAEEN Torstein | 511 | 4 |
| FORTUNATO Lorenzo | 323 | 1 |
| RYAN Archie | 35 | 3 |
| BISIAUX Léo | -39 | 14 |
| CICCONE Giulio | -54 | 1 |
| FISHER-BLACK Finn | -59 | 1 |
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | -99 | 2 |
| SOLER Marc | -169 | 3 |
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | -267 | 26 |
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | -352 | 4 |
A spread of more than 1000 points on the day is very very unusual: losses of 600 points plus are, I suspect, unprecedented in the years I have been doing these games .
1 | Laarsland | 379 |
2 | QueenStagiaire | 284 |
3 | Titan31 | 209 |
4 | Kazistuta | 204 |
5 | SamuCuenca | 31 |
6 | Leadbelly | 13 |
7 | AmisVelo | -39 |
8 | Search | -88 |
9 | Peixotini | -123 |
10 | RedheadDane | -165 |
11 | Rufs | -241 |
12 | JumboVismaFan | -244 |
13 | Armchair_Cyclist | -258 |
14 | Bminchow | -273 |
15 | NBFC1962 | -283 |
16 | MagliaNera | -285 |
17 | Madrazo | -286 |
18 | Onizuka999 | -290 |
19 | Hayneplane | -293 |
20 | Ingsve | -303 |
21 | YellowKnight | -314 |
22 | DJW | -317 |
23 | LosBrolin | -322 |
24 | BluesInTheBottle | -325 |
25 | Del1962 | -330 |
25 | Vladimir | -330 |
27 | Shakes | -334 |
28 | Hfgon1 | -345 |
29 | Nevs | -393 |
30 | Triley36 | -411 |
31 | DevilsElbow | -444 |
32 | BicycleBoy | -494 |
33 | EvansIsTheBest | -614 |
34 | DJSprtsch | -678 |
| Collective_Wisdom | -360 | |
| Default | -85 |
Standings
The four teams with Traeen have vaulted past ridiculous numbers of others to be in the top four, and correlation between yesterday's positions and today's are minimal.
1 | Kazistuta | 1369 | (+11) |
2 | QueenStagiaire | 1361 | (+20) |
3 | Titan31 | 1353 | (+12) |
4 | Laarsland | 1181 | (+23) |
5 | MagliaNera | 923 | (+1) |
6 | Madrazo | 901 | (+2) |
7 | Armchair_Cyclist | 897 | (+6) |
8 | Ingsve | 892 | (-1) |
9 | Hfgon1 | 888 | (-4) |
10 | JumboVismaFan | 854 | (+10) |
11 | Del1962 | 846 | (-2) |
12 | LosBrolin | 844 | (-1) |
13 | Hayneplane | 843 | (+3) |
14 | YellowKnight | 837 | (-) |
15 | DevilsElbow | 834 | (-13) |
16 | NBFC1962 | 831 | (+2) |
17 | Bminchow | 805 | (+4) |
18 | BicycleBoy | 796 | (-17) |
19 | Shakes | 793 | (-2) |
20 | Onizuka999 | 785 | (+3) |
21 | BluesInTheBottle | 781 | (-2) |
22 | Rufs | 775 | (+3) |
23 | Triley36 | 758 | (-13) |
24 | AmisVelo | 738 | (+4) |
25 | DJW | 709 | (-1) |
26 | Vladimir | 679 | (-) |
27 | Leadbelly | 652 | (+4) |
28 | EvansIsTheBest | 635 | (-24) |
29 | DJSprtsch | 575 | (-26) |
30 | Search | 542 | (+2) |
31 | Peixotini | 525 | (-1) |
32 | RedheadDane | 321 | (+1) |
33 | Nevs | 288 | (-4) |
34 | SamuCuenca | 222 | (-) |
| Collective_Wisdom | 968 | ||
| Default | 277 |
And if tomorrow's stage brings the big names back to GC prominence, we might get almost as big a set of shifts again.
- Mar 22, 2010
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- 11,225
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- Mar 22, 2010
- 15,235
- 11,225
- 28,180
Stage 7
Another MTF breakaway
Green points
Some redemption for Ayuso and his 4 managers
First and third for Evans, first and fifth for DJSprtsch
Standings
This is the first time we have had enough differentiation in the scores that there are only ten teams in the top ten
Red points
The main GC guys claw back some of their losses
So close to all being in profit today:
Standings
The teams with Traeen look likely to stay at the top for as long as he does.
Tomorrow should be more about the green points than the red ones.
Another MTF breakaway
Green points
Some redemption for Ayuso and his 4 managers
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | 70 | 4 |
| FRIGO Marco | 40 | 0 |
| GARCIA PIERNA Raul | 25 | 1 |
| TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso | 15 | 2 |
| QUINN Sean | 10 | 3 |
| VERMAERKE Kevin | 7 | 1 |
| SEPULVEDA Eduardo | 5 | 0 |
| ROLLAND Brieuc | 3 | 3 |
| SOLER Marc | 2 | 3 |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | 1 | 0 |
First and third for Evans, first and fifth for DJSprtsch
1 | EvansIsTheBest | 95 |
2 | DJSprtsch | 80 |
3 | Laarsland | 73 |
4 | Nevs | 70 |
5 | Vladimir | 22 |
6 | Search | 15 |
7 | BluesInTheBottle | 10 |
7 | Triley36 | 10 |
9 | LosBrolin | 3 |
9 | Onizuka999 | 3 |
11 | BicycleBoy | 2 |
11 | DevilsElbow | 2 |
11 | RedheadDane | 2 |
Standings
This is the first time we have had enough differentiation in the scores that there are only ten teams in the top ten
1 | QueenStagiaire | 239 | (-) |
2 | EvansIsTheBest | 221 | (+19) |
3 | DJSprtsch | 211 | (+14) |
4 | Laarsland | 182 | (+21) |
5 | Titan31 | 172 | (-3) |
6 | Kazistuta | 169 | (-3) |
7 | Triley36 | 160 | (-2) |
8 | BicycleBoy | 155 | (-4) |
9 | Ingsve | 143 | (-3) |
10 | LosBrolin | 138 | (-2) |
Red points
The main GC guys claw back some of their losses
| VINGEGAARD HANSEN Jonas | 132 | 26 |
| AYUSO PESQUERA Juan | 126 | 4 |
| ALMEIDA Joao Pedro Gonçalves | 100 | 2 |
| CICCONE Giulio | 74 | 1 |
| GARCIA PIERNA Raul | 65 | 1 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 40 | 13 |
| TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso | 39 | 2 |
| BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley | 30 | 20 |
| KUSS Sepp | 30 | 8 |
| PELLIZZARI Giulio | 30 | 13 |
| RYAN Archie | -26 | 3 |
| BELOKI FERNANDEZ Markel | -32 | 1 |
| TIBERI Antonio | -46 | 10 |
| FORTUNATO Lorenzo | -83 | 1 |
So close to all being in profit today:
1 | EvansIsTheBest | 354 |
2 | DJSprtsch | 278 |
3 | MagliaNera | 258 |
4 | Triley36 | 250 |
5 | Ingsve | 233 |
6 | YellowKnight | 229 |
7 | Kazistuta | 226 |
8 | Hfgon1 | 225 |
9 | Onizuka999 | 223 |
10 | Hayneplane | 222 |
11 | Vladimir | 219 |
12 | NBFC1962 | 208 |
13 | Bminchow | 202 |
14 | BicycleBoy | 199 |
15 | JumboVismaFan | 196 |
16 | DJW | 192 |
17 | Armchair_Cyclist | 186 |
18 | Shakes | 185 |
19 | Del1962 | 184 |
20 | Madrazo | 179 |
21 | LosBrolin | 178 |
21 | Titan31 | 178 |
23 | DevilsElbow | 150 |
23 | Peixotini | 150 |
25 | Rufs | 144 |
26 | Nevs | 139 |
27 | BluesInTheBottle | 134 |
28 | Laarsland | 112 |
29 | QueenStagiaire | 107 |
30 | AmisVelo | 104 |
31 | Search | 87 |
32 | Leadbelly | 82 |
33 | RedheadDane | 11 |
34 | SamuCuenca | -16 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 253 | |
| Default | -10 |
Standings
The teams with Traeen look likely to stay at the top for as long as he does.
1 | Kazistuta | 1595 | (-) |
2 | Titan31 | 1531 | (+1) |
3 | QueenStagiaire | 1468 | (-1) |
4 | Laarsland | 1293 | (-) |
5 | MagliaNera | 1181 | (-) |
6 | Ingsve | 1125 | (+2) |
7 | Hfgon1 | 1113 | (+2) |
8 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1083 | (-1) |
9 | Madrazo | 1080 | (-3) |
10 | YellowKnight | 1066 | (+4) |
11 | Hayneplane | 1065 | (+2) |
12 | JumboVismaFan | 1050 | (-2) |
13 | NBFC1962 | 1039 | (+3) |
14 | Del1962 | 1030 | (-3) |
15 | LosBrolin | 1022 | (-3) |
16 | Onizuka999 | 1008 | (+4) |
16 | Triley36 | 1008 | (+7) |
18 | Bminchow | 1007 | (-1) |
19 | BicycleBoy | 995 | (-1) |
20 | EvansIsTheBest | 989 | (+8) |
21 | DevilsElbow | 984 | (-6) |
22 | Shakes | 978 | (-3) |
23 | Rufs | 919 | (-1) |
24 | BluesInTheBottle | 915 | (-3) |
25 | DJW | 901 | (-) |
26 | Vladimir | 898 | (-) |
27 | DJSprtsch | 853 | (+2) |
28 | AmisVelo | 842 | (-4) |
29 | Leadbelly | 734 | (-2) |
30 | Peixotini | 675 | (+1) |
31 | Search | 629 | (-1) |
32 | Nevs | 427 | (+1) |
33 | RedheadDane | 332 | (-1) |
34 | SamuCuenca | 206 | (-) |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1221 | ||
| Default | 267 |
Tomorrow should be more about the green points than the red ones.
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