32 may be indicted in Mantua Investigation

[Dazed and Confused]

What do you think would be a more effective and airtight system? What kind of 'overhaul' would avoid such excuses?

Nice little question for a Friday night. Will need the weekend, but will come up with something.

 

[mewmewmew13]

any further comment yet from Och and BMC ??

 

[frenchfry]

Cytomegalovirus is so yesterday. Bet he wishes he came up with bilharzia before Zoome Froome did.

 

[gooner]

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

Probably busy trolling the Walsh thread.

I am eagerly awaiting their thoughts on Ballan though.

Crikey, I must have thought Lance was still clean until the Reasoned Decision.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Crikey, I must have thought Lance was still clean until the Reasoned Decision.


snipped here and here...

of course, but did you hold back your views before the RD hit the street?

 

[BroDeal]

Coming from you, I'm not surprised(once again) to hear this sweeping idiotic prejudice comment.

Uneducated view.

Coming from you, I'm not surprised (once again) to hear that you think common sense and thinking for yourself by piecing together basic and obvious facts is morally offensive.

Absolutely and utterly stupid view.

 

[gooner]

Coming from you, I'm not surprised (once again) to hear that you think common sense and thinking for yourself by piecing together basic and obvious facts is morally offensive.

Absolutely and utterly stupid view.

I look forward to ANOTHER post where you mention Brits, this, that and the other and bring things across national lines(once again).

 

[BroDeal]

I look forward to ANOTHER post where you mention Brits, this, that and the other and bring things across national lines(once again).

If muppets act like muppets then other people tend treat them as muppets. I look forward to the defense ad absurdum by you and the rest of the Sky homers for riders other than those on Sky. I won't holding my breath for it to happen, though.

 

[gooner]

If muppets act like muppets then other people tend treat them as muppets. I look forward to the defense ad absurdum by you and the rest of the Sky homers for riders other than those on Sky. I won't holding my breath for it to happen, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rewind and play again.

When in disagreement accuse all of being fanboys. Nice but predictable strawman that gets thrown around here.

Expect to be taken up on the tosh you spout, where you continuously use sweeping generalised statements against countries.

 

[BroDeal]

Rewind and play again.

When in disagreement accuse all of being fanboys. Nice but predictable strawman that gets thrown around here.

LOL. Sky fantards refuse to admit they are fantards. News at 11. Looks like they are now using another of the Armstrong fanboyisms.

Next you will be denying that your sole interest in posting to this forum is to come up with ever more ludicrous excuses for Sky's obvious doping.

Expect to be taken up on the tosh you spout, where you continuously use sweeping generalised statements against countries.

Your inferiority complex is showing.

 

[gooner]

LOL. Sky fantards refuse to admit they are fantards. News at 11. Looks like they are now using another of the Armstrong fanboyisms.

Next you will be denying that your sole interest in posting to this forum is to come up with ever more ludicrous excuses for Sky's obvious doping.



Your inferiority complex is showing.

Thanks for confirming what I already knew. Another tiresome one, compare with Armstrong fans. The rewind on the tape recorder is on overdrive at the moment.

You really don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the first thing about me and what my emotional interests in sports are.

When I post here, I represent my opinion and not a broader anglo speaking nation mindset which you stupidly refer to. Maybe finally you can take this point in. I won't hold my breath. You spouting this rubbish has been ignored long enough.

I don't know why I engage with you. Any guy who said he is happy Horner won the Vuelta doping to stick it to Sky and the Brits isn't worth listening to.

 

[Eshnar]

Gooner and BroDeal, get back on track before it's too late, thanks.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yea, if brodeal starts riding track he could become a gt winner sooner than later

 

[Dazed and Confused]

What do you think would be a more effective and airtight system? What kind of 'overhaul' would avoid such excuses?

$100M will be needed over 5 years to setup independent anti dope unit with power to ban any rider without involvement from national units, WADA or UCI.

A ruling can't be appealed (except by the rider).

Over time all doctors associated with treating the peloton will be part of this unit.

All processes will be as transparent as possible.

Thats the baseline. Where will the money come from? Ask Bill Gates or play the lottery.

 

[martinvickers]

Ballan never tested postive.
Where are all the "evidence first" posters?

I'm thinking

1 a taped explicit admission from the rider
2.an explicit accusation from the dealing pharmacist

probably counts as concrete evidence, myself. Regardless of nationality.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I'm thinking

1 a taped explicit admission from the rider
2.an explicit accusation from the dealing pharmacist

probably counts as concrete evidence, myself. Regardless of nationality.

Boy, some of you guys really have what amounts to an anti-anglo fixation, dontya...

Not much loved for Horner either....

 

[martinvickers]

Not much loved for Horner either....

Sorry, Don't understand a word of that...

 

[the sceptic]

Not much loved for Horner either....

Maybe if he was british martin could extend his love to him. but alas.

 

[Eshnar]

All of you, stop arguing over nationality. Thanks.

 

[pastronef]

Lampre bike theft...


Daniel Benson ‏@dnlbenson 4h
"Don't let those thieving scumbags make big business from their crime." Are they talking about bike theft or Mantova?

 

[Benotti69]

Lampre bike theft...


Daniel Benson ‏@dnlbenson 4h
"Don't let those thieving scumbags make big business from their crime." Are they talking about bike theft or Mantova?

I wonder was it theft or funding for teams 'marginal gains' for 2014.......

 

[D-Queued]

This may finally get interesting:

Phone taps admissable as evidence in Lampre trial

Then again, it is just a pre-Christmas tease until the trial resumes on January 24.

Can someone explain to me, though, how all of these folks are alleged to be involved in a comprehensive doping ring in 2008 and 2009?

Doping stopped in 2006. Didn't they get the memo, or does it really take that long to translate the memo into an Italian dialect?

"...Many of the recorded phone conversations are reported to have been in local dialect rather than standard Italian, meaning that deciphering the precise wording has been a laborious task."

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

This may finally get interesting:

Phone taps admissable as evidence in Lampre trial

Then again, it is just a pre-Christmas tease until the trial resumes on January 24.

Can someone explain to me, though, how all of these folks are alleged to be involved in a comprehensive doping ring in 2008 and 2009?

Doping stopped in 2006. Didn't they get the memo, or does it really take that long to translate the memo into an Italian dialect?

"...Many of the recorded phone conversations are reported to have been in local dialect rather than standard Italian, meaning that deciphering the precise wording has been a laborious task."

Dave.

Italian law moves at snail pace. It makes lawyers rich and helps get people off charges as they slip into SOL. Look at the Conconi case in the 90's.

But yeah all these guys doping in 2009, who would've guessed hey, but the reality is that the culture in cycling is to dope. That has not changed and it will take a monumental effort and injection of money into anti doping to change that. No one wants to spend money catching cheats!

 

[sniper]

.. That has not changed and it will take a monumental effort and injection of money into anti doping to change that. No one wants to spend money catching cheats!

just try and imagine anybody both willing and capable to invest significantly in antidoping.
i can't.

IOC?

investing in antidoping should be a national health issue and thus a task for national governments, but we all know how governments benefit from the international success of national athletes.
Spain, Brittain, Germany.
Nice recent examples of suppression rather than facilitation of antidoping on a national level.

 

[D-Queued]

just try and imagine anybody both willing and capable to invest significantly in antidoping.
i can't.

IOC?

investing in antidoping should be a national health issue and thus a task for national governments, but we all know how governments benefit from the international success of national athletes.
Spain, Brittain, Germany.
Nice recent examples of suppression rather than facilitation of antidoping on a national level.

I have to wonder if the misspelling is purposeful to minimize a massive wave of nonsense posting given that all of the former Lance apologists appear to have reinvented themselves and somehow taken out UK passports, albeit with different forum handles.



Dave.