40th Giro del Trentino 19.04 - 22.04

[Kwibus]

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Too bad their aren't any MTF's in this race, woulda liked to watch Landa put 1 minute into everyone....

Holy this guy.

Why doesn't he ride off now if it's so easy?

Probably because he didnt wanna risk anything in a warm up race.

Did we watch the same race? Landa was by far the strongest yesterday and again today

I didn't watch it at all, but I always smile when I read comments like this.
IAs if someone is freewheeling a bit, but doesn't attack because that would be too easy.

Funny that you needed to single me out out of 10 then, I think its pretty obvious judged by the comments that he was stronger than everybody else. And not just a bit

I also smile when people try to act smarter than others when they didnt even watched the race...

I had to pick 1 comment to reply on didn't I? I've never said anywhere that I didn't think Landa was the strongest. That would be ridiculous since I didn't see it.

Posts where people claim that a certain rider is freewheeling and having an easy time when going up a mountain, but that rider just decides to ride along instead of dropping everyone since he's so obviously stronger then all.
Sorry, but I think that's likely bullsh*t. Sure he was one of the strongest, but if he was sooo much stronger he would have jumped and won the stage. As far as I recall there was only a descent after the climb. If there was flat then I'll eat my words.

It's just over the top. That's what I'm saying. Besides Landa never looks like he is hurting.

 

[HelloDolly]

Nieve's contract stipulated that he would ride the Tour ...it was the proviso of him resigning with SKY or so I believe

 

[markene2]

I dont think Landa needs a super team in the mountains, if you remember last year for Astana, it was pretty much him working for Aru, and still tearing everything up.

He aint a rider that suits Robosky pacing up mountains, he will go on the offensive, so if he has someone in the team that is as strong as Tiralongo was last year, he will be fine imo

 

[yaco]

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Still, the point is that Landa needs someone for the high mountains. Roche doesn't fill that role.

I agree he doesn't appear to fill the role in the high mountains but he seems to have lost weight and maybe he won't be too bad there ....with Boswell and Seb Heano

Keeping Landa out of trouble and well positioned on to the climbs is just as important ...also making sure he loses no time in crosswinds, rolling terraine , etc is very important

Afterall it is usually the best climbers at the very end anyways man o man ....and Landa is good on the climbs against Valverde & Nibali

Contador didn't have the strongest team in 2015 but still won. Fact is most contenders for GC will only have an average team in the mountains - There are usually only 1 to 3 teams who are strong in the mountains.You can win if you are strong enough.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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I dont think Landa needs a super team in the mountains, if you remember last year for Astana, it was pretty much him working for Aru, and still tearing everything up.

He aint a rider that suits Robosky pacing up mountains, he will go on the offensive, so if he has someone in the team that is as strong as Tiralongo was last year, he will be fine imo

yeah but you need someone from Sky there to swap bikes in a crisis
- remember poor Richie Porte's Giro debacle.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Kwibus, You can say what you want, really. Fact is he dropped everyone from the bottom yesterday and if you indeed watched the stage, you would have the same feeling today as basically everyone posting on this forum - that he clearly was the strongest.

 

[Kokoso]

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In the context - useless in the mountains and hills He may have worked hard elsewhere, but not where he was supposed to.
Edit: I know s**t about cycling.

But the point was he was told to put on weight to work hard elsewhere ...so hard to disagree or agree re the point really about where he was supposed to be
The thing is unless Froome gives up Poels there is no other alternative

Officialy he should be there in the medium mountains.

 

[HelloDolly]

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I dont think Landa needs a super team in the mountains, if you remember last year for Astana, it was pretty much him working for Aru, and still tearing everything up.

He aint a rider that suits Robosky pacing up mountains, he will go on the offensive, so if he has someone in the team that is as strong as Tiralongo was last year, he will be fine imo

yeah but you need someone from Sky there to swap bikes in a crisis
- remember poor Richie Porte's Giro debacle.

Kennaugh must be nearest in size

Porte's mishap was not in the mountains but on a flat finale ...

 

[Vasilis]

Now that I think of it, I though Poels had the idea that he'd have a crack at the Giro, and now without König, Henao or Intxausti, he could well be Sky's backup GC rider after all.

 

[HelloDolly]

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Now that I think of it, I though Poels had the idea that he'd have a crack at the Giro, and now without König, Henao or Intxausti, he could well be Sky's backup GC rider after all.

I thought this too ...but I think SKY are yielding the rod on this and keeping him for the Tour .. it is their main focus anyway and without Porte & Heano (if he rode it) then Froome will need someone to chase Quintana /Contador in the final week ...cannot chance Poels not being there ...this is just my take on it

I also think from reading between the lines Poels will leave SKY (if he can as so many riders on the market) at end of the year

 

[Vasilis]

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Now that I think of it, I though Poels had the idea that he'd have a crack at the Giro, and now without König, Henao or Intxausti, he could well be Sky's backup GC rider after all.

I thought this too ...but I think SKY are yielding the rod on this and keeping him for the Tour .. it is their main focus anyway and without Porte & Heano (if he rode it) then Froome will need someone to chase Quintana /Contador in the final week ...cannot chance Poels not being there ...this is just my take on it

I also think from reading between the lines Poels will leave SKY (if he can as so many riders on the market) at end of the year

Well, if König and Intxausti don't ride the Giro they could be fresh for the Tour, although maybe they still aren't really the right men for that. Still, Thomas did a pretty good job of chasing down Quintana attacks as well. And who knows, maybe Henao is cleared by then, he's been promised a Tour spot for years now.
If Poels can go for his own chances at the Giro, he might stay I think, although that may depend on the result.

 

[Red Rick]

Poels had ideas about leading the Giro this year, but that was before the Landa signing was officially announced I think.

 

[HelloDolly]

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Now that I think of it, I though Poels had the idea that he'd have a crack at the Giro, and now without König, Henao or Intxausti, he could well be Sky's backup GC rider after all.

I thought this too ...but I think SKY are yielding the rod on this and keeping him for the Tour .. it is their main focus anyway and without Porte & Heano (if he rode it) then Froome will need someone to chase Quintana /Contador in the final week ...cannot chance Poels not being there ...this is just my take on it

I also think from reading between the lines Poels will leave SKY (if he can as so many riders on the market) at end of the year

Well, if König and Intxausti don't ride the Giro they could be fresh for the Tour, although maybe they still aren't really the right men for that. Still, Thomas did a pretty good job of chasing down Quintana attacks as well. And who knows, maybe Henao is cleared by then, he's been promised a Tour spot for years now.
If Poels can go for his own chances at the Giro, he might stay I think, although that may depend on the result.

Well that is alot of ifs ...That is why I wanted to know how bad Konig is ? and if Inxtausti wil be well enough for the Tour but even so I doubt either of these can chase like Poees did in ALp d'huez stage last year
Sure Thomas was good but in fairness as seen at PN he is not the best at the late long stages or even if he is then he may want to hold on to his position on GC

I would send Poels to Giro and keep him for 3rd week of Tour ....but does not look like what SKY will do if provisional list is to go by...but could be changed yet

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Just watched the finale of today's stage (unfortunately not of the climb itself, but only descent +finish). Looked like Buchmann lost a big shot of making the winning move, when Landa accidently blocked his line. A shame really Otherwise nice team tactics from Astana - Westra and Lutsenko could learn from their two colleagues

 

[Kwibus]

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Kwibus, You can say what you want, really. Fact is he dropped everyone from the bottom yesterday and if you indeed watched the stage, you would have the same feeling today as basically everyone posting on this forum - that he clearly was the strongest.

I'm sure he was the strongest, but that wasn't my point.

My point was and that goes for everyone everytime someone says something like "oh boy rider X is just freewheeling, he could just ride minuted into everyone if he wants too" , but then that rider doesn't drop anyone, is that rider X would drop everyone if he really could do it, because there is no point in not doing it? Certainly not when he's "freewheeling".

So when I read something like that I just had to write it down. Unfortunately for you I adressed my rant toward you. It's nothing personal

P.s. I was reading the thread to keep myself updated as I couldn't watch myself. When reading I thought Landa had atleast 1 minute on everyone, but then everything was back together.

 

[SafeBet]

He actually had a very good reason to drop all of them: ie not having to deal with Astana and Ag2r during the descent and the final flat. If he really didn't attack on purpose it's a tactical mistake that cost him the win and 20 seconds in GC.

And yes, I watched the stage and he clearly looked the strongest.

 

[Hakkapelit]

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Kwibus, You can say what you want, really. Fact is he dropped everyone from the bottom yesterday and if you indeed watched the stage, you would have the same feeling today as basically everyone posting on this forum - that he clearly was the strongest.

I'm sure he was the strongest, but that wasn't my point.

My point was and that goes for everyone everytime someone says something like "oh boy rider X is just freewheeling, he could just ride minuted into everyone if he wants too" , but then that rider doesn't drop anyone, is that rider X would drop everyone if he really could do it, because there is no point in not doing it? Certainly not when he's "freewheeling".

So when I read something like that I just had to write it down. Unfortunately for you I adressed my rant toward you. It's nothing personal

P.s. I was reading the thread to keep myself updated as I couldn't watch myself. When reading I thought Landa had atleast 1 minute on everyone, but then everything was back together.

Can't you catch a replay of the climb so we can hear your own assessment?

 

[Kwibus]

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Kwibus, You can say what you want, really. Fact is he dropped everyone from the bottom yesterday and if you indeed watched the stage, you would have the same feeling today as basically everyone posting on this forum - that he clearly was the strongest.

I'm sure he was the strongest, but that wasn't my point.

My point was and that goes for everyone everytime someone says something like "oh boy rider X is just freewheeling, he could just ride minuted into everyone if he wants too" , but then that rider doesn't drop anyone, is that rider X would drop everyone if he really could do it, because there is no point in not doing it? Certainly not when he's "freewheeling".

So when I read something like that I just had to write it down. Unfortunately for you I adressed my rant toward you. It's nothing personal

P.s. I was reading the thread to keep myself updated as I couldn't watch myself. When reading I thought Landa had atleast 1 minute on everyone, but then everything was back together.

Can't you catch a replay of the climb so we can hear your own assessment?

That will not change my opinion. You didn't get my point obviously.

Riders don't follow everyone else for *** and giggles if they are much better they ride and drop everyone.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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That will not change my opinion. You didn't get my point obviously.

Riders don't follow everyone else for *** and giggles if they are much better they ride and drop everyone.

Amen.

 

[Eshnar]

Nibali, Cunego and Foliforov leading with 1' on the peloton

EDIT:
yes, Nibali V.

 

[Vasilis]

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That will not change my opinion. You didn't get my point obviously.

Riders don't follow everyone else for *** and giggles if they are much better they ride and drop everyone.

Amen.

I read that he wasn't sure how he'd fare on such a long climb, as it was the longest climb of the season so far, so I think he didn't want to cook himself. In hindsight he might have attacked, but that's in hindsight, although he did look comfortable and he also said that mainly the last three kilometers were tough.

 

[Vasilis]

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Nibali, Cunego and Foliforov leading with 1' on the peloton

EDIT:
yes, Nibali V.

Putting the pressure on Sky.

 

[Eshnar]

+ 1'40" now.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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He actually had a very good reason to drop all of them: ie not having to deal with Astana and Ag2r during the descent and the final flat. If he really didn't attack on purpose it's a tactical mistake that cost him the win and 20 seconds in GC.

And yes, I watched the stage and he clearly looked the strongest.

Yes, it was IMO a tactical mistake not just to go all out. But he said he was scared of such a relatively long climb since its the longest and hardest he has done this year, so he didn't want to expose himself. And then there's the descent, its obviously a little different if its a MTF.

Lets see what he does today, his team it not brilliant at all.

 

[Laplaz]

Nibali to win GC now