6 Olympic athletes positive for CERA

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As well as random tests - they automatically test the fourth place finishers as well as the medallists - for the obvious reason that if one of them tests positive they have a back up!
 
ingsve

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It's not that big of a leap. The people that get tested are always the medalists plus a number of random athletes. It's alot more likely that the double positive is from a double medalists than anything else.

It could also be a medalist who also got tested randomly but the odds of that is alot lower since we know that double medalists did get tested twice 100% of the time.

As for it being a random athlete that got randomly tested twice that's even more unlikely.

My post was purely based on statistics.
 
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jaylew said:
Don't forget the swimmers. They have endurance events as well. And does an athlete have to do well to be tested?
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I doubt swimmers would be using CERA. Swimming is about strength and lactic acid tolerance and CERA wouldn't help most of them. The only ones would possibly be the 10k swimmers who I guess need more heart based endurance.
 
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ingsve said:
Why would a weightlifter be using CERA...That makes no sence at all...
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Person in question must have had a reason...Maybe something else had already affected his/her brain??? :p

I have to say it is about the sports that tend to get the doping issues again. T&F, cycling and weightlifting have their history with doping...I do wonder. Is that because the involded athletes are cheats, or the other sports aren't that strictly tested???
 
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This report here, says 2 medalists were caught out of the and one is a male gold medal track winner and if the other is rebellin then cancellara probably isn't the other cyclist. Well I hope he isn't he's on of my favourites.

But the 2 cyclists who used this have been really stupid did they not notice the guys in the tdf getting caught. Well I think this going back and re testing samples with new technology will work well to scare people off.
 
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jaylew said:
800? 1500?
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I doubt it. Even 800 or 1500m swimmers don't train for heart rate based endurance. They still require strength and are thus very muscular. CERA would probably help a bit but as far as I know they still swim with high levels of lactic acid in their arms and legs so their limiting aspect is still lactic acid tolerance.

I'm not saying it's impossible but compared to other athletes it's more unlikely.
 
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ingsve said:
I doubt swimmers would be using CERA. Swimming is about strength and lactic acid tolerance and CERA wouldn't help most of them. The only ones would possibly be the 10k swimmers who I guess need more heart based endurance.
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Not so. Distance swimming is VERY much an endurance sport, as is rowing, running etc...

Remember that in an all out event of even 4mins or less most of the energy is derived from aerobic metabolism. 100 meter track and field sprinters have even been known to use EPO, however in an event that short it is of no use except to help the athlete in training.
 
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mr. tibbs said:
Source on this? I Google news'd it and couldn't find anything. I also checked USADA's site and nuthin. C'mon, man. Joke or no?
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Consider who posted it, then move on......
 
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Leipheimer could not have been positive for CERA... Thats insane if he did!

Its possible to blood dope with your own blood preserved in a special solution that preserves the baby red cells making your profile look normal after having "drawn off" the extra post race.

No EPO needed to build rectics.
 
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The other cyclist could be stefan schumacher, maybe, I am just guessing though he has history of this and did not get a medal...
 
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WD-40. said:
Not so. Distance swimming is VERY much an endurance sport, as is rowing, running etc...

Remember that in an all out event of even 4mins or less most of the energy is derived from aerobic metabolism. 100 meter track and field sprinters have even been known to use EPO, however in an event that short it is of no use except to help the athlete in training.
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Having spent my lunch hour at the pool, I can attest to the above....very much an edurance sport.
 
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The swimmer even would NOT have doped with the CERA! And if they did they were completely foolish.... Thats the stoooopid award of 2008 if they were injecting CERA sub Q.

There must be other drugs they tested positive for besides EPO.

They could have micro-dosed EPO via IV to erase their lack of rectics from months of blood doping for qualifying competitions and such... And just taken too much by accident.
 
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If memory serves me right didn't that Spanish Woman Cyclist bail after the initial Tests were taken and didn't race because she was certain to test positive? That could be the second Cyclist?
 
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ElChingon said:
If memory serves me right didn't that Spanish Woman Cyclist bail after the initial Tests were taken and didn't race because she was certain to test positive? That could be the second Cyclist?
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Yes! Did they say if she was one of them or was it 6 new athletes?
 
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It is refreshing that Olympic committee is notifying the riders before the names get leaked to the press. The French could learn a thing or two...

I don't really want to get sucked into the speculation; any cyclist named will be disappointing and disheartening for the entire sport.
 
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