79th Gent-Wevelgem, 26th March 2017, 249 km, 1.UWT

[Dragontearz]

https://twitter.com/petosagan/status/847401526087737345

I just saw the video of the contact with @MaximeVantomme at @GentWevelgem. I wasn't aware of it. I'm sorry but these things happen in races.

 

[Valv.Piti]

*Waiting for the Netserk's of the world to point out that cycling is no sport for wussies and is a MAN's GAME*

 

[saganftw]

i think you are all overreacting,to me it looked like one of the moments when you are out of balance and you move weight to the side to balance the bike...unfortunate and definitely sagans fault but the overreaction is hilarious

especially oliver naesen in particular "he could have hurt a rib" HAHAHAHAAAA sure buddy

 

[Flamin]

That's not at all what Naesen said he said if something did that to him, he would break him a rib.

 

[trucido]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sagan-under-fire-for-body-check-during-gent-wevelgem/

I think it's fine for the media to call out things like this in big races, as long as they do it for every single incident that occurred no matter what profile the rider has.

Otherwise, it's just double standards and a cry for attention.

 

[saganftw]

Re:

That's not at all what Naesen said he said if something did that to him, he would break him a rib.

read the article on this site and i quote:

“I think he could have hurt a rib,” Naesen said of Vantomme.

maybe its bad translation, i dont know

 

[Flamin]

I don't need any article since I saw it on tv when he said it believe me, it's horrible translation..

 

[saganftw]

Re:

I don't need any article since I saw it on tv when he said it believe me, it's horrible translation..

if what you say is true then it explains the absurdity of that statement...on the other hand i didnt know neasen is a fake tough guy

 

[DFA123]

One thing that's clear from this whole episode is that the pressure is getting to Sagan. He's no longer the chilled out guy giving quirky interviews and laughing and joking around. He's an angry and frustrated mess right now; lashing out in races, blaming other riders in interviews and consistently failing to deliver the results that the race favourite should do.

He knows that other big teams are playing with him and have worked out how to lean on him to beat him tactically, and he hasn't been able to come with an answer. His frustration is reaching boiling point now and it will be interesting to see if he can use it to his advantage in RVV, or if he will crack once more.

 

[Flamin]

Nah, 'knowing' Naesen, I'm actually pretty sure he would back up that claim (not literally cracking a rib of course, it's just figure of speech).

 

[portugal11]

Re:

One thing that's clear from this whole episode is that the pressure is getting to Sagan. He's no longer the chilled out guy giving quirky interviews and laughing and joking around. He's an angry and frustrated mess right now; lashing out in races, blaming other riders in interviews and consistently failing to deliver the results that the race favourite should do.

He knows that other big teams are playing with him and have worked out how to lean on him to beat him tactically, and he hasn't been able to come with an answer. His frustration is reaching boiling point now and it will be interesting to see if he can use it to his advantage in RVV, or if he will crack once more.

Why are your posts so full of crap in 99% of times?
You are always bashing him, we GET your point, you don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

One thing that's clear from this whole episode is that the pressure is getting to Sagan. He's no longer the chilled out guy giving quirky interviews and laughing and joking around. He's an angry and frustrated mess right now; lashing out in races, blaming other riders in interviews and consistently failing to deliver the results that the race favourite should do.

He knows that other big teams are playing with him and have worked out how to lean on him to beat him tactically, and he hasn't been able to come with an answer. His frustration is reaching boiling point now and it will be interesting to see if he can use it to his advantage in RVV, or if he will crack once more.

Why are your posts so full of crap in 99% of times?
You are always bashing him, we GET your point, you don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Looks like Sagan's growing frustration is rubbing off on his fanboys as well. Hopefully he will use it in a more constructive way, to make for a great race on sunday.

 

[Kwibus]

Re:

Well, in that talkshow, Vanderpoel, Tankink and Naesen all agreed that it was ridiculous and not done. I don't really care what was 'normal' behaviour in the 60s or 70s.

EDIT: deleted my post as it wasn't correct.

 

[saganftw]

Re: Re:

One thing that's clear from this whole episode is that the pressure is getting to Sagan. He's no longer the chilled out guy giving quirky interviews and laughing and joking around. He's an angry and frustrated mess right now; lashing out in races, blaming other riders in interviews and consistently failing to deliver the results that the race favourite should do.

He knows that other big teams are playing with him and have worked out how to lean on him to beat him tactically, and he hasn't been able to come with an answer. His frustration is reaching boiling point now and it will be interesting to see if he can use it to his advantage in RVV, or if he will crack once more.

Why are your posts so full of crap in 99% of times?
You are always bashing him, we GET your point, you don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Looks like Sagan's growing frustration is rubbing off on his fanboys as well. Hopefully he will use it in a more constructive way, to make for a great race on sunday.

you are quite annoying with this kitchen psychology schtick you try to pull off here and i highly doubt anyones impressed...its one thing to discuss sporting events which im all for even if i disagree, but trying to disect athletes mental health is quite a feat - you aint getting your own tv show anyway :lol:

 

[Benotti69]

I guess if you ask any of the hardmen from cycling's past and they'll laugh at the mountain being made out of this.

Media blowing up a storm out of nothing.

Dont see any pressure building on Sagan. Look pretty happy on the podium.

He decided not to tow Terps to the podium.

Sean Kelly, Canc and others have always had to suffer from being the strongest in races.

 

[shalgo]

Re:

https://twitter.com/petosagan/status/847401526087737345

I just saw the video of the contact with @MaximeVantomme at @GentWevelgem. I wasn't aware of it. I'm sorry but these things happen in races.

Does he really expect us to believe that he didn't notice he was doing that?

 

[virenque216]

I don't know if anyone else noticed but a lot of times during final kms of bunch sprints aerial pictures show Sagan using his body to keep the right wheel more than other around him,its his style of riding,he has this racing mentality as he never was in a good team to deliver him the right support,to fight alone with sharks Sagan adapted this killer instinct, now I do not agree with such a culture at all but I want to evaluate the reasons for this. I have known Sagan since he was about 14-15 as I was involved in our local cycling club which competed against Sagan and his cycle club Zilina, Iam telling you to come through from those condition and lack of support and crap team,he needed to develop this killer winning instinct already competing in likes of the freedom race in Czech rep and other development races as he would have just gave up, the way he is and his articulating ability is no surprise to me,he had to toughen out early to succeed under those circumstances quickly

 

[Valv.Piti]

Dissecting atheletes psyche is fun. I definitely think Sagan has had trouble keeping apperances up after losing shrugging it off with 'funny' interviews and more or less saying he doesn't care about winning a monument (that he hasn't won yet!!!) as long as he makes a spectacolo.

I say the interview on Terpstra and the pushing is the real Sagan and it should be. You should be hella annoyed when you are losing with the talent Peter has.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

One thing that's clear from this whole episode is that the pressure is getting to Sagan. He's no longer the chilled out guy giving quirky interviews and laughing and joking around. He's an angry and frustrated mess right now; lashing out in races, blaming other riders in interviews and consistently failing to deliver the results that the race favourite should do.

He knows that other big teams are playing with him and have worked out how to lean on him to beat him tactically, and he hasn't been able to come with an answer. His frustration is reaching boiling point now and it will be interesting to see if he can use it to his advantage in RVV, or if he will crack once more.

Why are your posts so full of crap in 99% of times?
You are always bashing him, we GET your point, you don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Looks like Sagan's growing frustration is rubbing off on his fanboys as well. Hopefully he will use it in a more constructive way, to make for a great race on sunday.

you are quite annoying with this kitchen psychology schtick you try to pull off here and i highly doubt anyones impressed...its one thing to discuss sporting events which im all for even if i disagree, but trying to disect athletes mental health is quite a feat - you aint getting your own tv show anyway :lol:

A rider's state of mind and psychology is one of the most important factors in whether or not they'll win a race. Of course it's going to be discussed. Sagan showed a weakness last weekend which Quickstep and others will be sure to try to exploit again. Whether he is the kind of character who can put that behind him and fully focus on his own race, or whether he gets sucked into playing more games could well be the decisive factor in if he wins or not on sunday.

He's probaby the strongest classics rider in the world right now; but he's been beaten in all his big races this season. That's surely going to weigh on his mind, especially with the added pressure of getting results for the new team.

 

[deValtos]

Re:

Dissecting atheletes psyche is fun. I definitely think Sagan has had trouble keeping apperances up after losing shrugging it off with 'funny' interviews and more or less saying he doesn't care about winning a monument (that he hasn't won yet!!!) as long as he makes a spectacolo.

I say the interview on Terpstra and the pushing is the real Sagan and it should be. You should be hella annoyed when you are losing with the talent Peter has.

I like Sagan but the media/people interpreting Sagan sulking in interviews as having a bit of fun and not caring about the result is bizarre. I don't understand how they can come to that conclusion, it's like we're watching different videos.

 

[virenque216]

Cycling now has moved on in Slovakia a bit due to Sagan, but 10-15 years ago was in twilight the conditions under which we worked to organise a Slovak cup race were horrible,you can't imagine,kids inherited same bikes from year to year, 10-12 year olds used huge sized frames as no other bikes were available,we all volunteered to train and supervise them after work,this is a far cry from what the golden boys of Denmark,UK,Italy,Holland or France had. Believe me it is sad and disheartening to be involved in Cycling youth in Slovakia.

 

[DFA123]

Re:

Dissecting atheletes psyche is fun. I definitely think Sagan has had trouble keeping apperances up after losing shrugging it off with 'funny' interviews and more or less saying he doesn't care about winning a monument (that he hasn't won yet!!!) as long as he makes a spectacolo.

I say the interview on Terpstra and the pushing is the real Sagan and it should be. You should be hella annoyed when you are losing with the talent Peter has.

Yeah, I think this is how he should be as well. He's a proper old school style racer and I think he has the will to win at all costs. But, on the other hand, Bora and Specialized are paying him a lot of money to represent them, so I guess he tries to keep a lid on it and show this quirky and cool persona - rather than being outwardly super competitive and driven which would make him like Cavendish or someone - not so likeable. The last couple of weeks though he's started complaining at other riders and lashing out, so it looks like the mask is slipping a bit.

As said above, to me it looks like he's clearly feeling the pressure right now. But thats not necessarily a negative thing if he can use it the right way. Last weekend he threw away a chance of winning, but with a week to refocus he can use it well as extra motivation.

 

[saganftw]

Re: Re:

One thing that's clear from this whole episode is that the pressure is getting to Sagan. He's no longer the chilled out guy giving quirky interviews and laughing and joking around. He's an angry and frustrated mess right now; lashing out in races, blaming other riders in interviews and consistently failing to deliver the results that the race favourite should do.

He knows that other big teams are playing with him and have worked out how to lean on him to beat him tactically, and he hasn't been able to come with an answer. His frustration is reaching boiling point now and it will be interesting to see if he can use it to his advantage in RVV, or if he will crack once more.

Why are your posts so full of crap in 99% of times?
You are always bashing him, we GET your point, you don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Looks like Sagan's growing frustration is rubbing off on his fanboys as well. Hopefully he will use it in a more constructive way, to make for a great race on sunday.

you are quite annoying with this kitchen psychology schtick you try to pull off here and i highly doubt anyones impressed...its one thing to discuss sporting events which im all for even if i disagree, but trying to disect athletes mental health is quite a feat - you aint getting your own tv show anyway :lol:

A rider's state of mind and psychology is one of the most important factors in whether or not they'll win a race. Of course it's going to be discussed. Sagan showed a weakness last weekend which Quickstep and others will be sure to try to exploit again. Whether he is the kind of character who can put that behind him and fully focus on his own race, or whether he gets sucked into playing more games could well be the decisive factor in if he wins or not on sunday.

He's probaby the strongest classics rider in the world right now; but he's been beaten in all his big races this season. That's surely going to weigh on his mind, especially with the added pressure of getting results for the new team.

then stop saying things like "he is angry and frustrated mess" or "his frustration is reaching a boiling point"...its ok to just say he is under pressure, no need to act like he is about to shoot kids in highschool

 

[DFA123]

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then stop saying things like "he is angry and frustrated mess" or "his frustration is reaching a boiling point"...its ok to just say he is under pressure, no need to act like he is about to shoot kids in highschool

Dude. :redface: Obviously this discussion is just within the very small context of cycling and bike races. I'm a fan of Sagan as well - clearly not as much as some others - but we shouldn't let that stop us from discussing his weaknesses and being critical or questioning of him when its deserved. He's made some big mistakes in the past week imo, and they may well still be on his mind this weekend.

 

[trucido]

Re: Re:

then stop saying things like "he is angry and frustrated mess" or "his frustration is reaching a boiling point"...its ok to just say he is under pressure, no need to act like he is about to shoot kids in highschool

Dude. :redface: Obviously this discussion is just within the very small context of cycling and bike races. I'm a fan of Sagan as well - clearly not as much as some others - but we shouldn't let that stop us from discussing his weaknesses and being critical or questioning of him when its deserved. He's made some big mistakes in the past week imo, and they may well still be on his mind this weekend.

No, it's basically because the statements you come with (pointed out above) make it sound like you are some confidante of his, whereas the truth is you know as much about his current mindset as anybody else on this forum - which is *** all.