8 Things On Lance Armstrong From The "Other Side Of The Grass"

[red_flanders]

I'm not the person using insults and dodging questions.

This is absolutely false. See almost every question asked of you in this thread.

 

[bicing]

Valid question from someone trying to learn:

With all this mounting evidence pointing against LA why has he been so elusive for the Doping agencies to catch him thus far? You'd think he'd be target #1 and they'd have gotten him by now.

Or is he like an old mob boss and has the "judges" and "politicos" in his back pocket?

Or like others, will it take 14+mos for them to release the non-negatives results?

Good question. My understanding from reading these forums is that he has been so elusive due to both corruption and super doctors, and that yes, he is a mob boss.

 

[Max Power]

Before you came along the thread was not dead, you just played your normal tactic of post bombing and baiting exasperated replies out of everyone. THAT IS NOT DEBATE, is trolling/flaming...

No, I made a normal non-confrontational post about the issue, then people started calling me a *** and a troll, so obviously I responded to that and highlighted their inability to address my point. I suppose I could not respond, but then you get called a troll for not responding. It's tricky. If you look at this thread there are now several other posts addressed to me since the last time I posted. Am I supposed to ignore them? Why?

The best solution would be for people to either engage with what I write, or ignore me if they can't think of anything to say. But don't troll.

can you answer why his crit went UP in the last week of the tour?

It's a little bit unusual but there are natural explanations. There was a late rest day where he could have recovered somewhat, and by that time he was no longer challenging for the win so was able to ease off a bit. Another possible scientific explanation here...
http://www.localcyclist.com/2009/09/lance-armstrong-meets-biopassport-tour-hgb-explainable/

But if you look at the Giro where his blood numbers were normal, he finished 12th despite not being fully fit and not trying in the last couple of days. This shows that he is a class tour rider. That's really my main point - I ask people to look at the wider picture rather than get bogged down in this doping issue.

 

[Max Power]

OK. We get that you are suggesting Ashendon has some bias. I will allow that this is a remote possibility, but you have not given any evidence to suggest it's true. So you are speculating and calling his integrity into question with no more than the mere fact that he testified.

Yes, so? Rasmus Damsgaard who defended Armstrong over the allegations that he blood doped, had his integrity questioned because he was on Astana's pay roll. So why was that okay but I am not allowed to raise the issue? I never said I have damning scientific evidence, other than the false positive unrine issue, so you're straw manning.

He is not in a dispute with Coyle, he disputes Coyle's findings. Do you really not see the difference? It's called "peer review".

Clearly they are human beings with reputations at stake so these types of disputes can get bitter and personal. Nothing unusual about that.

 

[Max Power]

Frankie's notarized deposition states the ole "don't know/don't remember" regarding if he saw lance inject himself with a doping product.

Well this is a bombshell. A previous posters' name was run through the mud for suggesting you should have commited perjury for the greater good, but now you casually mention that Frankie was playing a game by pretending he didn't remember. Under oath!

I think that previous poster deserves an apology from the people that got incredibly righteous towards them.

Not getting into the detail of the sca trial, we both said in our depositions we had knowledge of his doping.

But this refered to two conversations pre cancer. [Actually two conversation during and just after cancer.] Under oath Frankie pretended he couldn't remember about anything after that point.

 

[BikeCentric]

Hey Arbiter/BritishProCycling/BanProCycling/UnBanProCycling/Sprocket01/Max Power: we get it, you have a disgusting man-crush on Armstrong and you have made this abundantly clear. Now can you please just please keep it to yourself? Having to see you repeatedly post your homoerotic fantasies about your man all over these forums and watching you get banned over and over again is really getting old. Here's a thought: why don't you post about anything (cycling related) other than your man-crush for once? It's just the same old crap from you recycled over and over. Give it a rest, you really are pathetic.

 

[BikeCentric]

Under oath Frankie pretended he couldn't remember

Because you say so. Right. The great BPC even has ESP; it's amazing!

 

[red_flanders]

Yes, so? Rasmus Damsgaard who defended Armstrong over the allegations that he blood doped, had his integrity questioned because he was on Astana's pay roll. So why was that okay but I am not allowed to raise the issue? I never said I have damning scientific evidence, other than the false positive unrine issue, so you're straw manning.

Clearly they are human beings with reputations at stake so these types of disputes can get bitter and personal. Nothing unusual about that.

I will take that as a solid "NO" on whether you can dispute any of Ashendon's findings.

What a surprise.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hey Arbiter/BritishProCycling/BanProCycling/UnBanProCycling/Sprocket01/Max Power: we get it, you have a disgusting man-crush on Armstrong and you have made this abundantly clear. Now can you please just please keep it to yourself? Having to see you repeatedly post your homoerotic fantasies about your man all over these forums and watching you get banned over and over again is really getting old. Here's a thought: why don't you post about anything (cycling related) other than your man-crush for once? It's just the same old crap from you recycled over and over. Give it a rest, you really are pathetic.

+1 I tried to say something like this, in a calm reasoned way, but every time I started typing it just came out: " Max Power is an annoying chamois sniffing tard". And while that is acurate it really doesn't fully express the situation, thank you for doing that better than I could.

 

[Max Power]

Hugh Januss and BikeCentric both openly and unashamedly trolling.

With enemies like this, who needs friends? Thanks for giving a demonstration of the type of off-topic trolling comments that are often directed at me, guys.

Since nobody has spoken out against these pair of trolls we can conclude that trolling is not the problem for most people. It's having someone who will disagree with them. Can't have that at the clinic, oh no.

 

[Max Power]

I will take that as a solid "NO" on whether you can dispute any of Ashendon's findings.

What a surprise.

I'll take that as a "YES" to admitting to straw manning me then.

What a surprise.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well this is a bombshell. A previous posters' name was run through the mud for suggesting you should have commited perjury for the greater good, but now you casually mention that Frankie was playing a game by pretending he didn't remember. Under oath!

I think that previous poster deserves an apology from the people that got incredibly righteous towards them.



But this refered to two conversations pre cancer. [Actually two conversation during and just after cancer.] Under oath Frankie pretended he couldn't remember about anything after that point.

Please show exactly where Frankie said anything during his deposition that was untruthful - and I am not interested in your opinion - please provide something to back up your claim.

Which sockpuppet of yours would be due an apology?

BTW - why cant you answer Red Flanders simple and obvious question - can you refute anything Dr. Ashenden said abot Lance in the article?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Hugh Januss and BikeCentric both openly and unashamedly trolling.

With enemies like this, who needs friends? Thanks for giving a demonstration of the type of off-topic trolling comments that are often directed at me, guys.

Since nobody has spoken out against these pair of trolls we can conclude that trolling is not the problem for most people. It's having someone who will disagree with them. Can't have that at the clinic, oh no.

You truly are a sad little man. What a sad way to try and get your jollies. Repeating over and over the same discredited arguments until everyone either looses interest and goes away, or finally calls you out on it, at which point you cry about everybody always picking on you.
Your points are weak and based on even weaker evidence, and we have heard them a hundred times, so stop embarasing yourself and drop it already.
And I say this with all due respect, Max or whomever you are this week.

 

[BikeCentric]

Hugh Januss and BikeCentric both openly and unashamedly trolling.

With enemies like this, who needs friends? Thanks for giving a demonstration of the type of off-topic trolling comments that are often directed at me, guys.

Since nobody has spoken out against these pair of trolls we can conclude that trolling is not the problem for most people. It's having someone who will disagree with them. Can't have that at the clinic, oh no.

Oh boo hoo. Let's have a pity party for the sad little social troglodyte who's gotten banned from the discussion board approximately EIGHT TIMES for spewing nonsensical crap yet keeps coming back under a new username to do the same thing and play the public persecution card. I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

 

[Max Power]

Oh boo hoo. Let's have a pity party for the sad little social troglodyte who's gotten banned from the discussion board approximately EIGHT TIMES for spewing nonsensical crap yet keeps coming back under a new username to do the same thing and play the public persecution card. I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

The thing is, I actually don't care what trolls like you say about me. I often find it funny, like when TFF said there is no cure to my mental illness. But I highlight it to show the hypocrisy of it to the mods. You guys constantly bltch to the mods about me - for trolling - yet you're the biggest trolls of them all, as you have shown.

 

[peloton]

part II, 8 Things On Lance Armstrong From The "Other Side Of The Grass"

Excellent -and a must- read for every cycling (and Lance) fans
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009...Y+BEEHIVE%29

I asked the CN crew why my OP thread was closed, still no answer......

 

[Race Radio]

Excellent -and a must- read for every cycling (and Lance) fans
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009...Y+BEEHIVE%29

I asked the CN crew why my OP thread was closed, still no answer......

I think it was closed because the herpes of the message board, (Arbiter/BPC/Sprocket1/Max Troll) had another flare up. I would assume he will get another IP address and try to derail this thread as well.

Thanks for the link

 

[Hugh Januss]

I think it was closed because the herpes of the message board, (Arbiter/BPC/Sprocket1/Max Troll) had another flare up. I would assume he will get another IP address and try to derail this thread as well.

Thanks for the link

Uhm, I think you mean Arbiter/BPC/Sprocket/Max Power/Earth Tribe. It kinda looks like he's baaaack.

 

[peloton]

I think it was closed because the herpes of the message board, (Arbiter/BPC/Sprocket1/Max Troll) had another flare up. I would assume he will get another IP address and try to derail this thread as well.

Thanks for the link

They could just edit/moderate the troll?

I'm all for a good and civil debate, but closing a thread without any reason really bothers me.

Edit. Still nothing from CN. Maybe LA did his "donate" to the CN crew....

 

[auscyclefan94]

They could just edit/moderate the troll?

I'm all for a good and civil debate, but closing a thread without any reason really bothers me.

Edit. Still nothing from CN. Maybe LA did his "donate" to the CN crew....

BREAKING NEWS: LA has donated 1.5 million dollars from his cancer foundation to CN so nothing bad about him will be said.

Seriously, i wouldn't put it past him to do something like that.

 

[Polish]

Lance is a poo-poo head©®™

 

[42x16ss]

No, I'm not being sarcastic

Polish, that is the post of the year. Maybe even the decade. All Lance threads can be summarised in that one post.

 

[HL2037]

It's beginning to look really strange. What's the point in banning the guy again and again, when they let him back the next day under a different username. Do you think he could be actually working for LA?

When he is allowed to drown any attempt of constructive debate in a tsunami of nonsensical hairsplitting, and even to get a thread closed, then he has reached his goal: To obstruct the rational and informed discussion and censor the voices of the people he don't agree with.

I hope the moderators are able to reckognize this.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Glad to see another thread opened up on this. Otherwise, the troll gets his desired outcome and everyone else loses.
I was very disappointed, when visited yesterday, to see the original thread in lockdown.
Consequently, the forum was silent.
Counter productive.

Have to say, Cozy's blog is "doing the rounds" and, not surprisingly, is getting a mixed reception.
Apart from the obvious Lance lancing, the site has a lot of good stuff on all things cycling.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Excellent -and a must- read for every cycling (and Lance) fans
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009...Y+BEEHIVE%29

I asked the CN crew why my OP thread was closed, still no answer......

Thanks 'Peloton' for putting this up again.
I will repost the article again as the link you provided is broken.

"8 Things On Lance Armstrong From The "Other Side Of The Grass"