8 Things On Lance Armstrong From The "Other Side Of The Grass"

[Polish]

She in fact mentions that it was multiple donations.

Same old liars and changing story as with just about every other Armstrong topic. How anyone swallows this tripe is beyond me.

"Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000" - never believed that TRIPE for a minute.
What a load of malarky lol.

RadioShack gets a ProTour spot because "Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000"

Lance never was busted because "Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000"

Lance makes UCI inspectors wait because "Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000"

There are plenty more...what a bunch of BS.

I do admit that Lance making donations to the UCI in order to buy testing equipment to bust the dopers - and then trying to "hide" these donations to avoid the consequences of breaking omerta is kind of sneaky.

Lance should have been more open.

 

[Escarabajo]

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I do admit that Lance making donations to the UCI in order to buy testing equipment to bust the dopers - and then trying to "hide" these donations to avoid the consequences of breaking omerta is kind of sneaky.

Lance should have been more open.

You think?

That's the biggest "Conflict of Interest" I have heard in cycling. It is as bad as doping if not worse.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

"Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000" - never believed that TRIPE for a minute.
What a load of malarky lol.

RadioShack gets a ProTour spot because "Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000"

Lance never was busted because "Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000"

Lance makes UCI inspectors wait because "Lance Bribed the UCI $500,000"

There are plenty more...what a bunch of BS.

I do admit that Lance making donations to the UCI in order to buy testing equipment to bust the dopers - and then trying to "hide" these donations to avoid the consequences of breaking omerta is kind of sneaky.

Lance should have been more open.

Polish, please - get your 'facts' straight - it wasn't a bribe it was a donation. It was a mere $25,000 which the UCI needs to catch very very bad people.

You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.

Now we need to make sure this version stands up in Court to 100% (because forums are courts)- so I have, at great expense gone and got legal qualification to see if LA's (new) statement would hold up....... The Verdict

 

[rata de sentina]

Yup, nothing new. Still the same old head in the sand fanboy bullcrap. You should take some of the money that Lance is paying you and use it to buy a clue, because you haven't any.

You're not being very perceptive here. You shouldn't lump everyone into the same category motivation wise. Might be rampant self-delusion or might be blatant cynicism. I think the most likely phenomenon occuring here is don't bite the hand that feeds you. Once people are on the gravy train they don't want to get off.

 

[Ferminal]

Pat is too busy getting ready to join the IOC.

This is an interview with Lancefrom just 12 months ago:
You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.

"I have donated money to the UCI over the years to increase [drug controls]".Lance interview in March 2004.

Eurosport.com also reports that when questioned about the amounts of money involved there followed “(Laughter) It was a fair amount. It wasn't... It wasn't a small amount of money". April 2005.

Why is Lance so willing to donate money to the UCI to improve anti-doping procedures, yet unable to produce the cash to support his own transparency with Catlin. Is he that altruistic? He would much rather spend his money making sure the entire sport is clean rather than just make himself "look" clean.

I wonder if there is any new news (2009) about donations since his return? Maybe his backdoor entry into the TdU (didn't satisfy bio passport yet) was via a few dollars to Pat.

 

[VeloCity]

I can not tell you because I do not pretend to know all the answers unlike many on this forum do.

Well, maybe you could take a stab at answering a few questions:

(1) How did a clean Lance manage to beat all those known dopers by several minutes over 7 Tours?

(2) How did his clean teammates manage to consistently outride teams like T-Mob and ONCE/Liberty that had systematic team doping programs?

(3) And lastly, could you give us an estimate of how many minutes Lance would've won those Tours by if his rivals had been as clean as he was?

Seriously, I'd be really curious to hear it. Thanks.

 

[Cozy Beehive]

No part to play...

I got a kick out of this post by Mr Cozy on the LAF Forum....
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"Lance changed it. He changed it because it looked suspicious with such a jump in his hematocrit-level....I can assure you, it's been discussed on real forums, where people actually can discuss actual matters without being banned or get their posts deleted. I suggest you go over to the cyclingnews forum (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/) where people actually has their own mindset, and hasn't been brainwashed by Lance and his lies.

I will honestly say that I was a supporter of Lance Armstrong. I started to follow cycling closely in 2003....Armstrong was my hero. He still was when he retired. When he came back, I was excited. When he started to trash Contador, I was skeptic. When he led the strike in the Giro just because he was to lazy to ride at a full tempo, I felt betrayed. And when he and Bruyneel left to the starting line twice, without bothering sending a car for Alberto, and also refusing to give him wheels, which he had to buy in Monaco before the start of the time trial, I disgusted him. I really started to hate the guy.

And props to you, skygirl32, to dare standing up to the majorities like that! I'm happy to convert you, and I'm glad you've got your own opinions. Finally, I will provide you with another link, wether you like it or not: http://www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf"
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Wow....Wow....The CyclingNews forum is a REAL Forum - and does not delete threads or Ban people? Where do you get your info Cozy?

Excuse me? What's this Mr. Cozy business? To be honest, I had nothing to do with posting on the Livestrong forum if that's what you're telling me. I'm not sure why my name is being called up as having typed something there. The conversation was between a certain "ContadorFan" who doesn't seem to like Armstrong and someone named "Skygirl32". Contadorfan has a history of being bold to ask doping questions as you can see in other places on the LS Forum.

However, everytime my blog is referenced somewhere, I can monitor it with site analytics. This is how I came to know that people are discussing my post on the Livestrong forum. It was interesting to see what they were saying, which led to my discovery that they have been deleting threads related to questions on Lance doping. The last question I saw typed by Skygirl was related to why Lance "changed" his hematocrit numbers on the urine test chart. No reply came from any of the other members, and then the thread was deleted altogether when I checked yesterday morning. No sign of it... Go figure.

 

[Anonymous]

I will honestly say that I was a supporter of Lance Armstrong. I started to follow cycling closely in 2003....Armstrong was my hero. He still was when he retired. When he came back, I was excited. When he started to trash Contador, I was skeptic. When he led the strike in the Giro just because he was to lazy to ride at a full tempo, I felt betrayed. And when he and Bruyneel left to the starting line twice, without bothering sending a car for Alberto, and also refusing to give him wheels, which he had to buy in Monaco before the start of the time trial, I disgusted him. I really started to hate the guy.

Yeah that's pretty funny. He was his hero until he text that Contador has a lot to learn after he bonked, and saw he was part of the strike at the Giro. Yeah right.

 

[Oncearunner8]

It is not about "accepting" an argument, it is about not even attempting to put forward a comprehensible one.

The link provided includes a large amount of information about Armstrong's doping. The Ashenden interview alone is very detailed. Instead of providing a counter argument to this the common response is to call someone a hater.

Sure both sides call names, but only one provides information to support their position.

Details like the did Coyle use the same ergometer for all the testing dates? Then the question of keeping the “raw data files”? Or how about the “how much do you weigh?” 72 kilos vs 79 kilos may make a difference but Dr. Coyle did not have a scale in his office (LMAO) there was no way to verify the test subjects weight except of course to ask him!

Those details? Nah they don’t make much difference.

 

[Lifeshape]

Stabbing

Well, maybe you could take a stab at answering a few questions:

(1) How did a clean Lance manage to beat all those known dopers by several minutes over 7 Tours?

(2) How did his clean teammates manage to consistently outride teams like T-Mob and ONCE/Liberty that had systematic team doping programs?

(3) And lastly, could you give us an estimate of how many minutes Lance would've won those Tours by if his rivals had been as clean as he was?

Seriously, I'd be really curious to hear it. Thanks.

(1) How'bout whatever dope the others were using had expired and lost its potency and therefore counterproductive coupled with inferior nutrition.

(2) See #1 above

(3) Impossible to predict the past

 

[Polish]

Well, maybe you could take a stab at answering a few questions:

(1) How did a clean Lance manage to beat all those known dopers by several minutes over 7 Tours?

(2) How did his clean teammates manage to consistently outride teams like T-Mob and ONCE/Liberty that had systematic team doping programs?

(3) And lastly, could you give us an estimate of how many minutes Lance would've won those Tours by if his rivals had been as clean as he was?

Seriously, I'd be really curious to hear it. Thanks.

1) Lance was stronger than the dopers.
2) His teammates were not clean. Lance encouraged the doping so they could keep up.
3) The rivals would have been a minute or two further back.

 

[Tranquil]

Just an observation, but Armstrong won seven Tour de France's in a row. I guess the conspiracy theorists would have us believe that he had unique access to drugs unavailable to any other competitors ? I suppose that is possible ... although for 7 years in a row is kind of pushing the envelope a bit. Still, that seems to be the best explanation that some can come up with.

I don't buy that myself.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, maybe you could take a stab at answering a few questions:

(1) How did a clean Lance manage to beat all those known dopers by several minutes over 7 Tours?

(2) How did his clean teammates manage to consistently outride teams like T-Mob and ONCE/Liberty that had systematic team doping programs?

(3) And lastly, could you give us an estimate of how many minutes Lance would've won those Tours by if his rivals had been as clean as he was?

Seriously, I'd be really curious to hear it. Thanks.

(1) He wasn't.

(2) They weren't.

(3) The exact same if they were all equally clean.*

* Within the parameters of differing levels of response to the various products.

Next time you guys, maybe you can just lean over and copy off of my paper. You know just like you did to graduate from high school.

 

[flicker]

Sorry

Cojecture my dear janness Conjecture.

1) He wasn't.

(2) They weren't.

(3) The exact same if they were all equally clean.*

* Within the parameters of differing levels of response to the various products.

first Lance has not been positive yES jOHAAN DID FORCE HIS OTHER RIDERS TO DOPE. tHat is why they did so well once they rode for other teams.

Lastly there is no way to know if all riders were clean that they would be even if they were doped. There is different dope and some riders are better receptors. mixing dope types may enhance dope effect decrease dope effect or kill. Many variables.

 

[BYOP88]

first Lance has not been positive

Aside from the 6 samples containing EPO and the backdated TUE, but aside from those minor ones, no others, honest Guv'

 

[Anonymous]

Aside from the 6 samples containing EPO and the backdated TUE, but aside from those minor ones, no others, honest Guv'

Whether you believe your theories or not, it must be hard to know that with winners, nothing sticks!

Shack attack

 

[BYOP88]

Whether you believe your theories or not, it must be hard to know that with winners, nothing sticks!

Shack attack

Well as Lance won nothing last year I guess he's not a winner anymore, sucks to be him, oh wait I'm sorry he did win that very important race in Nevada ROFL.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Cojecture my dear janness Conjecture.

1) He wasn't.

(2) They weren't.

(3) The exact same if they were all equally clean.*

* Within the parameters of differing levels of response to the various products.

first Lance has not been positive yES jOHAAN DID FORCE HIS OTHER RIDERS TO DOPE. tHat is why they did so well once they rode for other teams.

Lastly there is no way to know if all riders were clean that they would be even if they were doped. There is different dope and some riders are better receptors. mixing dope types may enhance dope effect decrease dope effect or kill. Many variables.

Ok there is this little dohicky it looks like this (*) It is called an asterisk from the greek asteriscum or 'little star'. It is often used to denote footnotes, as I did in my post, which you quoted in your post. You will notice if you actually read (and process) my post that I had already made the same point about drug responders that you thought you had to add.
Other than that your post is good for a couple laughs. I particularly like the part where you admit that the rest of the team doped, but still seem to hang onto the notion that Lance is such a superman that he didn't need to. Classic, love your shtick.

 

[Anonymous]

Well as Lance won nothing last year I guess he's not a winner anymore, sucks to be him, oh wait I'm sorry he did win that very important race in Nevada ROFL.

He won in his fight for cancer awareness

 

[BYOP88]

He won in his fight for cancer awareness

he did . I must have missed that press release if only he spent more time telling the world that than attempting playground bullying(he gets an F- for that), so I guess he can now slope off to retirement, happy days.

 

[auscyclefan94]

he did . I must have missed that press release if only he spent more time telling the world that than attempting playground bullying(he gets an F- for that), so I guess he can now slope off to retirement, happy days.

BYO, Hombre is a lost cause, he's one of the many Loyal Servant's of Lord Armstrong.

 

[BYOP88]

BYO, Hombre is a lost cause, he's one of the many Loyal Servant's of Lord Armstrong.

Thanks for the heads up fella. Although sometimes it's fun seeing them in action, Lord phArmstrong must be proud of them.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Thanks for the heads up fella. Although sometimes it's fun seeing them in action, Lord phArmstrong must be proud of them.

I don't know what I been told, Lance is King and not too old

That's my pathetic poem

 

[Ferminal]

Just an observation, but Armstrong won seven Tour de France's in a row. I guess the conspiracy theorists would have us believe that he had unique access to drugs unavailable to any other competitors ? I suppose that is possible ... although for 7 years in a row is kind of pushing the envelope a bit. Still, that seems to be the best explanation that some can come up with.

I don't buy that myself.

Conspiracy theorists?

Surely we've been over this before, there's no conspiracy, we all know it was the Nazi frogmen who tampered with the '99 samples.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Conspiracy theorists?

Surely we've been over this before, there's no conspiracy, we all know it was the Nazi frogmen who tampered with the '99 samples.

"And for all those conspiracy theorists, I'm sorry for you, I'm sorry you don't believe in these athletes