86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

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kingjr

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houtdffan said:
of course I do. He should have won this TT if on top form

If you think otherwise, you missed his giro TTs
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But, as everybody knew beforehand, he is not in top form here. Also, Küng most likely was on a higher level today than during the Giro.
 
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Küng always the man to beat in Suisse. Remco maybe a slowly puncture in the last corners?
Wout can go back to his 1m88 setup. Didn't look like he's putting his hands higher than usual, like Küng etc.
Ayuso a strong top 10, hope he can find his climbing legs again here.
 
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peterfin

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houtdffan said:
not a good TT by Remco

Not surprising as it is his first race back

But does show he has some semblance of form and can compete for the overall
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He beat Wout and only missed a handful of seconds for the win while his corning looked a bit defensive vs Kung so he did well actually. I am not sure he can do that much better without taking excessive risk here. The TT was a bit technical and didn't have that long road without recovery as in the first TT of the giro. On such a road Remco can make a difference but here it was always a matter of seconds.
 
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Chapeau, Kung. ... A shortish and technical TT for Remco ... not his preferred cup of tea, but he put in a fairly Remco-like performance ... very strong. Good rides by Wout and young Magnus, too.
 
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peterfin said:
He beat Wout and only missed a handful of seconds for the win while his corning looked a bit defensive vs Kung so he did well actually. I am not sure he can do that much better without taking excessive risk here. The TT was a bit technical and didn't have that long road without recovery as in the first TT of the giro. On such a road Remco can make a difference but here it was always a matter of seconds.
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The difference is day and night, and can not be explained away by cornering in a 13km TT. In the opening TT he was 37s faster than Küng over 16.5km before the climby part. Here he loses 6 seconds. That's 43s compared to Küng at the Giro. I didn't count ten 180 corners every kilometer to explain that drop. So clearly he is not remotely in the same shape and hopefully we can end this TDF bs once and for all.
 
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houtdffan

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peterfin said:
He beat Wout and only missed a handful of seconds for the win while his corning looked a bit defensive vs Kung so he did well actually. I am not sure he can do that much better without taking excessive risk here. The TT was a bit technical and didn't have that long road without recovery as in the first TT of the giro. On such a road Remco can make a difference but here it was always a matter of seconds.
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Remco need s to improve his bike handling a bit more. That will helps him win stages like today. Turn a weakness into a strength

He is also on track for a good GC, if not an overall win
 
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Didinho said:
Küng always the man to beat in Suisse. Remco maybe a slowly puncture in the last corners?
Wout can go back to his 1m88 setup. Didn't look like he's putting his hands higher than usual, like Küng etc.
Ayuso a strong top 10, hope he can find his climbing legs again here.
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Why would you think that poor cornering is caused by a puncture?
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
The difference is day and night, and can not be explained away by cornering in a 13km TT. In the opening TT he was 37s faster than Küng over 16.5km before the climby part. Here he loses 6 seconds. That's 43s compared to Küng at the Giro. I didn't count ten 180 corners every kilometer to explain that drop. So clearly he is not remotely in the same shape and hopefully we can end this TDF bs once and for all.
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I think Remco's season can still be great. Considering two crashes and Covid in the Giro, he doesn't look too bad right now. He's not where he was to start the Giro, but maybe he is back into form-building mode.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
The difference is day and night, and can not be explained away by cornering in a 13km TT. In the opening TT he was 37s faster than Küng over 16.5km before the climby part. Here he loses 6 seconds. That's 43s compared to Küng at the Giro. I didn't count ten 180 corners every kilometer to explain that drop. So clearly he is not remotely in the same shape and hopefully we can end this TDF bs once and for all.
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He should go to the tour because it will make the tour more enjoyable for me.
 
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