A Dave Millar thread

[blackcat]

can we get some quotes of Dave, and let them speak for themselves

I'll start,

oh, and btw, hi Dave when you drop in. nice seeing ya

"Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening."

 

[bobbins]

He's a sanctimonious cheat who should keep his mouth shut. He had the chance to be open about doping when he was caught, he kept quiet. Him and his sister are parasites that the sport needs to leave behind to move forwards.

 

[sniper]

'We're clean riders and we're dominating the Tour,' says David Millar after superb Stage 12 success

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/new...-to-win-says-david-millar-after-stage-12-win/

 

[Dear Wiggo]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_15175682

The president of the International Cycling Union and Team Garmin-Transitions cyclist David Millar came to the defense of race director Matthew White on Thursday while CEO Jonathan Vaughters said he'll back him as long as he's telling the truth in an upcoming doping probe.

...
Millar, who came back in 2006 from a two-year doping ban after admitting his guilt, is furious at Landis.

"He's reached the end of the road and I just find it disgusting," said Millar from his home training base in Girona, Spain. "He's a liar and a cheat and he has nothing left in cycling so he just wants to burn the house down."

After Landis' ban four years ago, Millar said he tried calling him to give advice on how to return to the sport. He never received a return call.

"If he had stood up and manned up four years ago, he'd be racing the Tour de France now," Millar said. "He'd have a different book out. He'd have not lost a penny. He'd be admired by young people. He would have a different life ahead of him. He'd be in a decent mental state. He'd be sober.

"And he'd be married."

However, many in cycling believe doping was widespread in the early 2000s. How does anyone know Landis is lying?

"That's the problem," Millar said. "Now he's lost the ability to tell the truth whether it is or not. That's what's despicable about it - and sad. Because I'm sure there's truth in some of it. But it doesn't mean anything anymore."

 

[Dear Wiggo]

http://tourdefrancefacts.com/article/0,6610,s1-3-483-16334-1,00.html

Since his return to the peloton, though, Millar has become a vocal critic of doping. And far from being considered a jailhouse convert by his peers in the pack, Millar has enormous street cred with other riders. "Four months ago, other riders thought I was nuts to be talking about this," Millar said of how his move is perceived by his peers. "But in the last week I've gone from being a maniac to a man of vision."

The move, away from a UCI Pro Tour team and to one that is not guaranteed entry to races, offers Millar a shot at a rebirth of sorts. "I knew that when I returned to cycling I was always going to be an ex-doper," he said. "During my ban I had a lot of time to fall back in love with my sport and I realized that I had an opportunity to seek redemption."

The team will still need to overcome enormous public and corporate skepticism of cycling. Vaughters said he was on the verge of signing a title sponsor, but the company backed out when one of the sport's many doping scandals broke earlier this year.

"Cycling is such an unknown quantity right now," Millar said. "Slipstream knows where it's going and what it's doing. It's rare." Added Vaughters: "We were ahead of the curve, but now it seems the sport has caught up to us." He said that he had received calls from two GC contenders who were interested in joining his team, he said, although he declined to name them.

Both men said one of Slipstream's goals will be utter transparency to fans and the press. Vaughters suggested that members of the media may be asked to embed themselves with the team so they could see it had nothing to hide, but also as a way of returning the sport to its roots. Because in cycling there is a closeness that can be achieved between riders and fans that other sports can't manage or have sought to avoid.

 

[roundabout]

hold on while I find a doozy of a quote

You go down the wrong path mainly because you feel it’s the only way you can win the biggest prizes and you get a bit messed up mentally yet all the time you have it within yourself naturally to perform at levels you hadn't really dreamed of. Honestly? I have never been fitter and riding better than I was at the end of this 2010 season, at the world championships and the Commonwealth Games. No drugs could have got me to that condition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...aw-Garmin-rider-enjoy-season-of-his-life.html

 

[happychappy]

Everything Millar says is entirely self serving. Slippery little snake.
Rabobank are still supporting MTB and youth racing. What the **** have you done, Millar, apart from promote your book with the intention of getting on TV after you "retire" from racing. Scumbag.

 

[bobbins]

Everything Millar says is entirely self serving. Slippery little snake.
Rabobank are still supporting MTB and youth racing. What the **** have you done, Millar, apart from promote your book with the intention of getting on TV after you "retire" from racing. Scumbag.

Nail - head.

Apparently there's a letter from him to the Dutch press today about rabobank. When slipstream and sky have done as much for the sport as rabobank then he can comment, until then I wish he'd keep his trap shut and retire. He's part of the problem and yet to show how he's part of the solution.

Maybe when more sponsors walk away, these *** will realise the damage they are doing to our sport.

 

[zalacain]

Why do so many riders base in Girona post Fuentes? It's not the best place in Spain to train.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

can we get some quotes of Dave, and let them speak for themselves

I'll start,

oh, and btw, hi Dave when you drop in. nice seeing ya

how hard is it to call him david?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why do so many riders base in Girona post Fuentes? It's not the best place in Spain to train.

it is, close to the pyrenees and good weather year round

 

[PCutter]

it is, close to the pyrenees and good weather year round

and a good regional hub airport

 

[the sceptic]

how hard is it to call him st david?

fixed it for you

 

[trailrunner]

Quote:
"Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening."

"Dear David: you were part of the problem. Why don't you walk away already?"

 

[Benotti69]

"Dear David: you were part of the problem. Why don't you walk away already?"

and never part of the solution!

 

[trailrunner]

and never part of the solution!

Oh, but now he is being part of the solution -- but only because it serves his interest!

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

"Alberto Contador is untouchable as rider, he is a physical freak and we in the peloton have known that for a long time and respect his supreme talent. I would be very surprised if he didn't end up as the greatest Grand Tour rider in the history of the sport. It’s a tragedy that he has got mixed up in this Clenbuterol thing but I am keeping an open mind on his case,”

"Does anybody out there seriously doubt that Contador was riding clean in the Giro d'Italia that has just finished? You don't win the biggest races in the world with such clockwork regularity and comparative ease, and in such style, by not being the supreme talent and clean. In my experience the profile of a doper is always much more erratic and unpredictable.”

"The rest of us mere mortals have "magic days" when every so often when we can take on the world. Contador's default setting is a "Magic day". His only departure from the norm is when he experiences merely an average day. They are the only two levels he rides at. My strong instinct is to trust that."

Millar is a **** who is only interested in promoting David Millar.

He is no better than McQuaid.

 

[skidmark]

However, many in cycling believe doping was widespread in the early 2000s. How does anyone know Landis is lying?

"That's the problem," Millar said. "Now he's lost the ability to tell the truth whether it is or not. That's what's despicable about it - and sad. Because I'm sure there's truth in some of it. But it doesn't mean anything anymore."

Whoops, guess you were wrong about it 'not meaning anything', eh Davey boy?

Despite trying to keep an open mind about Millar, it's the quotes about Landis that I find most disturbing. Why take cheap shots about his failed marriage and alcoholism? What the hell? The guy was telling the truth about something serious, regardless of how 'backed into a corner' he was (hypocritical much, David?) Seriously, Millar was caught red-handed out of competition and confessed when he was backed into a corner, Landis was caught in-competition for something that even now he claims to be false, stood to lose the biggest prize in cycling if he confessed, etc. I can understand why the guy denied. Regardless, Millar's hypocrisy seems to be at odds with even his own team's stated encouragement of truth whenever, however.

I wonder what he said to his teammates Christian Vande Velde, Tom Danielson and Dave Z, oh and his boss/co-owner Vaughters when they 'could have spoken up years ago' but only did when they were 'backed into a corner' by a grand jury.

Seriously disappointing, Millar.

 

[MarkvW]

However, many in cycling believe doping was widespread in the early 2000s. How does anyone know Landis is lying?

"That's the problem," Millar said. "Now he's lost the ability to tell the truth whether it is or not. That's what's despicable about it - and sad. Because I'm sure there's truth in some of it. But it doesn't mean anything anymore."

Whoops, guess you were wrong about it 'not meaning anything', eh Davey boy?

Despite trying to keep an open mind about Millar, it's the quotes about Landis that I find most disturbing. Why take cheap shots about his failed marriage and alcoholism? What the hell? The guy was telling the truth about something serious, regardless of how 'backed into a corner' he was (hypocritical much, David?) Seriously, Millar was caught red-handed out of competition and confessed when he was backed into a corner, Landis was caught in-competition for something that even now he claims to be false, stood to lose the biggest prize in cycling if he confessed, etc. I can understand why the guy denied. Regardless, Millar's hypocrisy seems to be at odds with even his own team's stated encouragement of truth whenever, however.

I wonder what he said to his teammates Christian Vande Velde, Tom Danielson and Dave Z, oh and his boss/co-owner Vaughters when they 'could have spoken up years ago' but only did when they were 'backed into a corner' by a grand jury.

Seriously disappointing, Millar.

That's a really good Millar quote. His response to Floyd definitely indicates his later response to Rabobank.

Millar fails to realize that words don't cut it with sponsors. The Festina-USPS-Ferrari scandals are exposing his sport as a filthy den of cheaters. It is ridiculous to think that sponsors are going to sit idly by as their products are bound to such a mess.

Money is talking now, but I'd be ignoring history to think that the UCI is in anything other than band-aid (plaster ) mode. More money needs to join the conversation.

 

[blackcat]

Nail - head.

Apparently there's a letter from him to the Dutch press today about rabobank. When slipstream and sky have done as much for the sport as rabobank then he can comment, until then I wish he'd keep his trap shut and retire. He's part of the problem and yet to show how he's part of the solution.

Maybe when more sponsors walk away, these *** will realise the damage they are doing to our sport.

yeah. SlipperyStream do good PR.

how hard is it to call him david?

not too hard. Sorry.

if you get to this post, Hi David

 

[laziali]

Millar is a **** who is only interested in promoting David Millar.

He is no better than McQuaid.

First sentence is correct.

But "no better than McQuaid"????? Really? No better than "nothing to see here" Fat Pat? At least Millar fessed up. Do yourself a favour and read his (self-promoting) book. You'll get some insight into the man. He's as ar$ehole, no doubt, but Fat Pat is many times worse. Almost as bad as Hein.

 

[blackcat]

Millar fessed up?

The gendarmes had him with an empty ampoule of EPO with its manufacturers name on his home shelf.

He only blurted out when he went to tears after two days in the pen.

He "fessed up" in distorted niche definition, of fessing up. then it is back to pre-Tour training camps in St Moritz.

nothing to see here.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

First sentence is correct.

But "no better than McQuaid"????? Really? No better than "nothing to see here" Fat Pat? At least Millar fessed up. Do yourself a favour and read his (self-promoting) book. You'll get some insight into the man. He's as ar$ehole, no doubt, but Fat Pat is many times worse. Almost as bad as Hein.

I do not understand how someone who has been caught with drugs and denies taking them can be considered someone who has "fessed up". Does his book actually say he confessed? Coz he wrote that book, from memory. Just sayin'.

The Tour de France: A Cultural History (Page 261)

The Story of the Tour de France, Volume 2: 1965-2007: How a Newspaper .. (Page 297)

 

[laziali]

I do not understand how someone who has been caught with drugs and denies taking them can be considered someone who has "fessed up". Does his book actually say he confessed? Coz he wrote that book, from memory. Just sayin'.

Well, I read it in about August 2011 so it was a little while ago, but seem to recall multiple confessions to doping in Racing Through the Dark. And multiple instances of sanctimonious tut-tutting thereafter.

While I don't disagree he is a kn0b, what really gets me is the Fat Pat/Hein "nothing to see here, move along people" attitude. The comparison with them was all I was taking issue with.

 

[simo1733]

Sanctimillarnious.