A Tough Situation for the Giro

[Jamsque]

this is the Giro's 150th year. Only 4 deaths in that time.

This is the 94th Giro. You are getting confused with the celebrations of 150 years of unified Italy.

 

[Cimber]

Seriously, stop. We get it, you want to see a race. You don't need to smear your wishes all over our mourning faces. We have no way to know what Zomegnan will do, no reason to think Zomegnan will do this or that just because he hasn't said anything about it yet.

This thread is made for people who are ready for reflections and analysis beyond mere mourning. People who arent ready for that yet (which is fully understandable) shouldnt join this thread yet imho. No pun or disrespect intented.

And also note that just because some ppl are ready to make those wider refelctions, that doesnt mean that they are "cold" or that they dont find yesterdays event utter tragic and sad.

 

[will10]

Ok I want to see a race. Im a cycling fan so of cause I want to see a race nothing to wrong with that right? anyway sorry for my previous post i respect their decision to neutralise todays stage. But whats wrong with wanting a race on a stage long after his death. The race can stop today but it is going to continue. And comeon dont act as if you knew weylandt personally.

What a moron. Looks like I'm going to have to find out how the ignore function works on this board.

 

[hrotha]

This thread is made for people who are ready for reflections and analysis beyond mere mourning. People who arent ready for that yet (which is fully understandable) shouldnt join this thread yet imho. No pun or disrespect intented.

That's not the problem, if you've read the thread I've been reflecting and analyzing the incident and the consequences of the accident for the race just fine. But dlwssonic has previous.

 

[dlwssonic]

What a moron. Looks like I'm going to have to find out how the ignore function works on this board.

LOL looks whos talking, I have already said my sympathies in the memorial thread. This is the thread where we talk about the future for this giro, so I dont find anything wrong with me talking about what is going to happen in the later stages. And for heavens sake this is a forum not a funeral you ****** bag
and I am pretty sad about weylandts death too which i have stated all in his memorial thread.

 

[Sylvester]

You really need to realize enough is enough.

 

[Barrus]

Next one who personally attacks someonem, or who insults anyone in this or the other threads concerning the death of Weylandt will have to deal with the consequences

 

[Benotti69]

This is the 94th Giro. You are getting confused with the celebrations of 150 years of unified Italy.

sorry, my mistake. i'll correct it.

 

[Benotti69]

Where are you watching it?

Rai.tv/diretta.

only available in Italy i think.

 

[thrawn]

Rai.tv/diretta.

only available in Italy i think.

http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raisp...a-2049-442c-a45e-18236e0b2821.html?refresh_ce

Is this what you are watching?

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.raisport.rai.it/dl/raisp...a-2049-442c-a45e-18236e0b2821.html?refresh_ce

Is this what you are watching?

nope

this

http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/diretta.html#cid=PublishingBlock-7131f72e-5ca4-45f7-bd50-ebf161d164fc

at this moment various people involved in the Giro and Rai including Faustino Coppi(son of Coppi) are discussing yesterday's tragic stage.

 

[Archibald]

Next one who personally attacks someonem, or who insults anyone in this or the other threads concerning the death of Weylandt will have to deal with the consequences

perhaps the Crostis discussion should be separated into it's own discussion? This thread really was about what the Giro organisers should do with today's stage... (although I understand the tangent and it's origins)

And on a side note, can Skimwords be turned off from this thread and also the Wouter memorial thread? I think sneeking in ads into these threads is very poor form...

 

[Ferminal]

It would appear from what RAI are showing that Wouter hit a corner of a low wall, with what would have been i imagine be his left pedal considering the height of the mark causing hi to crash and he continued down the road about 25 metres.

They just showed the crash site on RAI again.

It was a rather straight section of road. On the left hand side was wooden railing. Where the railing ended, a small stone wall, maybe knee height and a foot wide began. The wall stuck out onto the road further than the railing. Some metres further down that stretch, there was a circle drawn, where his head would have impacted.

 

[Francois the Postman]

And on a side note, can Skimwords be turned off from this thread and also the Wouter memorial thread? I think sneeking in ads into these threads is very poor form...

The skimwords will be switched off from the CN forum full stop, a decision that was made just before this all happened. I fear you're gonna have to suffer them until that has been actually implemented. And yes, it highlights how utterly inappropriate the "feature" can be. I hope you can find some comfort in that they will be removed from the forum area completely whenever you see them. [the request to do this with urgency has been sent up the chain as far as we can reach].

 

[Benotti69]

They just showed the crash site on RAI again.

It was a rather straight section of road. On the left hand side was wooden railing. Where the railing ended, a small stone wall, maybe knee height and a foot wide began. The wall stuck out onto the road further than the railing. Some metres further down that stretch, there was a circle drawn, where his head would have impacted.

Davide Cassani was explaining what they think happened.

 

[Escarabajo]

On this point I disagree.

It shouldn't be up to the riders or teams to have to go and check every significant descent and any dangers it may pose. The race should be required to report on the descents, highlighting the surface, the gradient, the road width, technically challenging areas, any risk factors which need to be taken into account.

The riders manage the risks on the bike, their decisions can be enhanced by better information being available. You can't say that riders and teams should have to find out about dangerous roads on their own - it should be mandatory that the administrators of the sport provide them with the information necessary.

Besides, was it rideable 4 months ago? Do the sprinters go out to the mountains to do reconnaissance? They probably have to rely on the race organizers information.

 

[Sum_of_Marc]

look at the disgraceful coverage by bbc sport

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport

Its the 6th story behind absolute bull**** that means nothing by comparison.

Of course when Massa or Kubica (who together have less balls then Weylandt has in his little finger) crashed it was the headline news. Not just for the sports section but for the whole of bbc news.

Chapeau to all the european papers who understand that this is a major story.

Even to sky, who have probably never before had a non football story on their front page.

Down with the bbc. ****s.

It was the main story on their webpage for a long time yesterday. (As I hope someone else has already pointed out)

 

[Viskovitz]

Never saw anything like this photo.

As for the race, I have to agree with posters who were talking neutralized stage and donating prize money to his family.

If you put the pic vertically...then it isn't as scary anymore, hugh?

http://img252.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=504897451_Untitled_1_122_50lo.jpg

Welcome to the marevelous world of yellow photography.

 

[Viskovitz]

I haven't read all the answers to the thread, but here's something we all have to think about:

In 1935, Francisco Cepeda crashed and died in the downhill of the Galibier. Yeah, the samne Galibier the Tour rides up and down almost every year.

1967, Valentín Uriona died after a crash in the national championships...the time trial spanish championship. Yeah, he crashed riding alone.

1972, Manuel Galera died in the Alto del Mojón... climbing! the alto del Mojón. Yeah, uphill.

1995, Casartelli died after crashing in the descent of Portet d'Aspet.

1996, José Antonio Espinosa died after a crash in the Criterium de Alcobendas. He crashed into someone after crossing the final line IIRC. In a fixed crit in a short, safe circuit.

1999, Manolo Sanroma died while he was preparing the sprint in the Volta and crashed into a kerb 1km from the finish line.

2003, Kivilev died after a crash in a wide flat straight road through a french town.

2006, Gálvez died after a crash... in a velodrome.

I think what I wanna say is... **** happens. Anywhere, anytime. The Reaper doesn't understand about cycling routes.

 

[will10]

Good post. Also to add to that list are the many really scary crashes we see that don't take a life. The policeman's crash with Jaja and the Abdou Champs Elysees crash, Uran in Suisse, Ullrich in 2001, Periero in 2008....

 

[Francois the Postman]

Good post. Also to add to that list are the many really scary crashes we see that don't take a life. The policeman's crash with Jaja and the Abdou Champs Elysees crash, Uran in Suisse, Ullrich in 2001, Periero in 2008....

We even take it as part of the course that folk will break a bone or two every now and then. And probably don't even think of those as really bad and scary crashes. To be part of the peloton you gotta be a little bit crazy anyway.

But it probably tells you a lot about the actual fitness and endurance level of these guys, that we, almost as standard, see them walk away from these events as mere walking wounded (thankfully).

 

[Epicycle]

I haven't read all the answers to the thread, but here's something we all have to think about:

In 1935, Francisco Cepeda crashed and died in the downhill of the Galibier. Yeah, the samne Galibier the Tour rides up and down almost every year.

1967, Valentín Uriona died after a crash in the national championships...the time trial spanish championship. Yeah, he crashed riding alone.

1972, Manuel Galera died in the Alto del Mojón... climbing! the alto del Mojón. Yeah, uphill.

1995, Casartelli died after crashing in the descent of Portet d'Aspet.

1996, José Antonio Espinosa died after a crash in the Criterium de Alcobendas. He crashed into someone after crossing the final line IIRC. In a fixed crit in a short, safe circuit.

1999, Manolo Sanroma died while he was preparing the sprint in the Volta and crashed into a kerb 1km from the finish line.

2003, Kivilev died after a crash in a wide flat straight road through a french town.

2006, Gálvez died after a crash... in a velodrome.

I think what I wanna say is... **** happens. Anywhere, anytime. The Reaper doesn't understand about cycling routes.

Spectators aren't immune either. 2 years ago at the Tour a woman was killed after being hit by a motorcycle and children were killed in 2000 and 2002 when struck by caravan vehicles.

It's still important that all these incidents be investigated to determine whether anything could be done to keep it from happening again, even if it does look like just sad luck.

 

[Escarabajo]

I haven't read all the answers to the thread, but here's something we all have to think about:

In 1935, Francisco Cepeda crashed and died in the downhill of the Galibier. Yeah, the samne Galibier the Tour rides up and down almost every year.

1967, Valentín Uriona died after a crash in the national championships...the time trial spanish championship. Yeah, he crashed riding alone.

1972, Manuel Galera died in the Alto del Mojón... climbing! the alto del Mojón. Yeah, uphill.

1995, Casartelli died after crashing in the descent of Portet d'Aspet.

1996, José Antonio Espinosa died after a crash in the Criterium de Alcobendas. He crashed into someone after crossing the final line IIRC. In a fixed crit in a short, safe circuit.

1999, Manolo Sanroma died while he was preparing the sprint in the Volta and crashed into a kerb 1km from the finish line.

2003, Kivilev died after a crash in a wide flat straight road through a french town.

2006, Gálvez died after a crash... in a velodrome.

I think what I wanna say is... **** happens. Anywhere, anytime. The Reaper doesn't understand about cycling routes.

So why make the job easier for the reaper with a partially unpaved and narrow descent?

 

[dlwssonic]

I think those cobbles are much worst than some of those descents.

 

[LukeSchmid]

Stuart O'Grady's crash in the 2007 Tour was quite horrific, he crashed after being taken out by another rider on a descent and was saved from going into a ravine by post he hit.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/ill-be-back-ogrady/story-e6frecj3-1111114065752