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The thing that impresses me is that Hansen doesn't just finish stages in the Grupetto but is usually in one of the earlier, stronger finishing groups on the toughest stages or else expending extra energy in a break or doing other self sacrificial duties typical of domestiques. He is not just riding these GTs to finish but to race and contribute. The guy is as tough as an ox.
Hope he stays clear of trouble the next two days to take the record. He certainly deserves the recognition and respect it will bring.
Hope he stays clear of trouble the next two days to take the record. He certainly deserves the recognition and respect it will bring.
He's already got the recognition and respect, from already having the record. The one he's about to beat is his own.
He'd probably need to break both arms and both legs in order to not finish.
He'd probably need to break both arms and both legs in order to not finish.
Yesssss! He finally did it! Next GT another stage win, maybe?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-hansen-attains-his-grand-tour-record-in-madrid/
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vuelta-a-espana-hansen-attains-his-grand-tour-record-in-madrid/
Quite possibly. He runs a massive drop. Hansen probably has the narrowest bars in the peloton too - 38cm!sienna said:Does he have the longest seat post in the peloton?
After his storied cycling career, Adam is trying his hand at running opinion polls among pro cyclists:
View: https://twitter.com/HansenAdam/status/1646728326789181441
Wonder if one has to decide beforehand if a stage is gonna be a "sprint stage". Or if such a decision can be made during the race, once it's clear that the stage will be a bunch sprint. In any case, I'm not sold on the idea, and I am not sure if it will prevent many crashes.
View: https://twitter.com/HansenAdam/status/1646728326789181441
Wonder if one has to decide beforehand if a stage is gonna be a "sprint stage". Or if such a decision can be made during the race, once it's clear that the stage will be a bunch sprint. In any case, I'm not sold on the idea, and I am not sure if it will prevent many crashes.
If it can be decided during the stage, I don't think the idea is too terrible even though I definitely don't love it.
If it needs to be decided beforehand, it simply will not work.
Yes, I‘m just imagining an echelon stage where the GC riders do a full sprint to the 5km mark and then sit up. It would look extremely silly. Btw, can the riders just get in the team cars since time has already been taken?
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Poorly thought out question: too many unresolved variables for a simple yes/no.
Main outcome of this is to highlight the anomaly of sprint stages in stage races. May as well just declare the entire stage null for GC purposes.
But that was Q8: are the other nine questions and their answers available?
Main outcome of this is to highlight the anomaly of sprint stages in stage races. May as well just declare the entire stage null for GC purposes.
But that was Q8: are the other nine questions and their answers available?
Organisers already designate stages that are expected to finish in a bunch sprint in order to use the "3 seconds for a gap" rule. So I think this potentially new rule would supersede that.
But if a stage develops surprisingl (probably due to crosswinds), it wouldn't make sense to have to different finish lines.
And what if a rider crashes with 6 kms to go, gets up and catches the bunch before the finish? Does he then get a punishment because he was behind at 5 kms to go? Should there be the usual 3 kilometre rule starting from 8 kilometres to the finish to allow for accidents 3 kilometres before the point where times are taken?
Or situations like Vinokourov on the Champs-Elysées in 2005. If someone wants to rectify a position by attacking in the last kilometres, why remove that possibility?
To be fair, that practically never happens in today's cycling. Not on a completely flat finish with intact sprint teams.
Another issue is that now breakaway riders would have to be reeled in before the 5 km to go banner to avoid them gaining time.
It does seem really messy. After thinking about it a bit more, I think I am farther away from not thinking the idea was too terrible than yesterday.
It does seem really messy. After thinking about it a bit more, I think I am farther away from not thinking the idea was too terrible than yesterday.
agree about that, also have seen no explanation so far how that would work.
Obviously, the idea is to just nullify the potential GC effect of those stages, but you don't get that by taking the time with 5k to go. It may make the finish itself safer, but instead we can see strage dynamics like a breakaway rider taking the yellow jersey because he was ahead with 5k to go (I doubt any race organizer wants to see that), or even attacks for that new timing line. If there's no risk of losing time anyway, teams can just go full out and see if it splits - adding additional danger for that part of the race.
The idea is to minimize the risk of GC riders crashing in dumb sprint finals and prevent crashes in general. Not to nullify GC effect.
I don't see the difference in reeling a break in, 5k from the finish, or at the actual finish. For GC, that is the finish they need to take into account.
Another way of looking at it, is that the 5k finish is the actual GC finish, and sprinters get to decide who wins 5k further down the road where and when they don't have to endanger the rest of the peloton.
yes, and this, in my opinion, makes no sense at all. And I also don't think they have even thought about it yet. It's just a "a, yeah, safer sounds good" kind of poll.
Imo the introduction of the 3s rule was a good one. There are no 50m gaps in bunch sprints anyway, so also no risk to lose time. Extend it to 5s, or 10, if you like, but I can really see no need for an artificial second finish line.
It makes plenty of sense. 3k from the finish sprinter teams have already started their battle for position and GC teams are still at the front. Furthermore there is literally no downside to at least trying, other than people injustly claiming it makes no sense or it marks the end of cycling.
Find me a WT stage last year where the 3km rule caused a problem that woud be solved by this.
If anything I'm fairly sure taking GC times at 5km causes much more problems, especially if there's technical, nervous sections between like 10-5km to go. It doesn't change anything about the influence of mechanicals, it just moves them forward.
Not to mention it is completely against the history and idea of the sport. The idea you don't even have to try in the final 5km is horrendous. I mean why do GC riders even have to race the flat stages at all? Why can't we get a Tour de France sized Mallorca challenge?
I do like the idea of an InterGiro classification much more than current youth jerseys or KoM jerseys, but it's not supposed to be the main prize ffs.
If anything I'm fairly sure taking GC times at 5km causes much more problems, especially if there's technical, nervous sections between like 10-5km to go. It doesn't change anything about the influence of mechanicals, it just moves them forward.
Not to mention it is completely against the history and idea of the sport. The idea you don't even have to try in the final 5km is horrendous. I mean why do GC riders even have to race the flat stages at all? Why can't we get a Tour de France sized Mallorca challenge?
I do like the idea of an InterGiro classification much more than current youth jerseys or KoM jerseys, but it's not supposed to be the main prize ffs.
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