Albasini racist?

[Netserk]

Racism should not be taken lightly. That 'silly' comment is a serious offense, and it's clearly what Albasini thinks of Reza.

Titi => Reza

 

[hrotha]

As you see here with all the attackers accusing Albasini as a flat out racsist, which OFC is absurd.

Why the "of course"?

 

[kingjr]

I don't know if that's a case of racism, when you're really angry at someone for whatever reason, you use the words that you think are the most hurtful.

 

[el chava]

I don't know if that's a case of racism, when you're really angry at someone for whatever reason, you use the words that you think are the most hurtful.

Agreed. Whether Albasini is waiting for the third reich will be up for debate, but maybe we can infer that he is a mean *******.

Now the jury will go home and watch todays stage.

 

[cineteq]

I don't know if that's a case of racism, when you're really angry at someone for whatever reason, you use the words that you think are the most hurtful.

That's when the TRUE YOU comes out.

 

[kingjr]

That's when the TRUE YOU comes out.

No it isn't.

 

[SKSemtex]

WAW. 11 pages and counting.

Reading this and remembering the Sagan case discussion it looks like we (CN forum members )are almost saint.

We are intollerant only agains cyclist we hate .

 

[hrotha]

WAW. 11 pages and counting.

Reading this and remembering the Sagan case discussion it looks like we (CN forum members )are almost saint.

We are intollerant only agains cyclist we hate .

You think anybody had a strong opinion about Albasini before this?

 

[meat puppet]

One: WRT what Albasini did, the important question is "why does this content (dissing Reza) take this form" (outright racist BS)? IMO this rules out arguments that he just vented, because venting could take many other forms, too. And this brings us to what hrotha said: at the heat of the moment he expressed something that was already there.

Two: somewhere along the way it was remarked that Albasini is "from Zimbabwe". Now I don't know if this is so and if it indeed is so, how long did he live there, or indeed what his class background is. Quick googling was not too informative. Assuming that he lived there, to me this only worsens things. I mean everyone knows that basically each and every social conflict in Zimbabwe has race as one determining factor, and here we have Albasini acting out the colonial landlord in a bicycle race. In other words, it would be hard to not see the background as a set of factors providing the "intent".

If he's not from Zimbabwe, very little changes, in fact, but becomes harder to illustrate in a short post. European cultures do carry better or worse hidden racist elements nonetheless. I say European, because most of the protour races take place in this context.

Three: how many black riders are there in the pro ranks? Yup. Cycling has a long way to go.

 

[Eshnar]

Whether Albasini is waiting for the third reich will be up for debate

he is a bit late for that.

 

[phanatic]

If racism is nothing but mean words, it isn't anything at all.

 

[SKSemtex]

You think anybody had a strong opinion about Albasini before this?

generally speaking

seeing the comments like "life time ban" just made me wonder whether I am tollerant too much or some people are just stupid hypocrats.

 

[dduff442]

Reza is not a 1st year pro, he is riding for Europcar since 2011.

I have the feeling I might be missing out on a sarcastic remark though.

Nope. My mistake.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Two: somewhere along the way it was remarked that Albasini is "from Zimbabwe".

Albasini has no connection to Zimbabwe at all.

Three: how many black riders are there in the pro ranks? Yup. Cycling has a long way to go.

Now that's the first real racist remark here. You want certain humans to become professional bicycle rider not because they are good, but because they are black.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Far more time and emotive energy spent on this thread than between Albasini and Reza. As far as they are concerned, it seems to be closed. But there again, they are too busy to argue about it online...

 

[meat puppet]

Albasini has no connection to Zimbabwe at all.

Then it was an honest mistake, and the speculation that followed is a case in point. The argument made extends very well to my own prejudices as well.

Now that's the first real racist remark here. You want certain humans to become professional bicycle rider not because they are good, but because they are black.

If you insist on clinging onto the individual level, I can live with that. But don't you find it odd that there is this endurance sport wherein a significant part of the world's population is basically not represented at the top level.

Bet you a tenner that infrastructure and economy play a larger role here than individual athletes "being very good"...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

again, the only one who is deluded about their significance is you, considering your obsession with pontificating to everyone on racism and albasini's poor actions, telling people how you are 'holier than thou'.



I never said they had to be from the kkk. I didn't minimise his comment, but if his comments are based upon a deeply held belief, i will call him out and there is no place for it in our sport. If it was an incident where he said something that was quite stupid that he has rarely ever done, then i will call him out and forgive him for it on the condition that he doesn't do it again. I believe that this situation is the latter of the two. Calling for people to be banned is baloney.

1++ .....

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Why the "of course"?

Because he is none?

 

[Hayabusa]

Albasini has no connection to Zimbabwe at all.



Now that's the first real racist remark here. You want certain humans to become professional bicycle rider not because they are good, but because they are black.

Don't overreact, what he is saying is he'd like to see more equal opportunities and infrastructure developed for cyclists from other countries, not that there are too many white cyclists...

Get some perspective..

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

WAW. 11 pages and counting.

Reading this and remembering the Sagan case discussion it looks like we (CN forum members )are almost saint.

We are intollerant only agains cyclist we hate .

I am intolerant to tolerant who are only tolerant to those who share their political correct moralizing view. In the same time they are busy to throw Allbasini in the mud. Disgusting...

 

[hrotha]

Because he is none?

Why are you so sure?

 

[Afrank]

Firstly, my last comment was merely a troll attempt which worked quite well. Secondly, your over-emotional response to my post has proved my point. You are just posturing and pontificating about someone who has said something stupid. Trying to create an analogy between my post and "pre-apartheid" attitudes towards racism is beyond absurd. You are trying to appear superior to everyone else by using hyperbolic and highly-emotional language to condemn Albasini and now me.

My point is that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I have said stupid comments in the past about people. I have had them said about me. I would say everyone on this forum has made a stupid remark once in a while. If Albasini continues this behaviour, then I would call for him to be suspended for a while but a racist must hold those views/attitudes over a long period time, not just be an off-the-cuff remark or moment of stupidity.

Take a deep breath, please.

I would remind you that trolling is against the rules. And that last comment has gotten the entire post deleted. Do not try to troll others. It adds nothing to the discussion and just creates conflict where there is none.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Nobody is defending Albasini calling Reza a dirty ******.

Or am I a casual racist now because I think Albasini might've lost himself when he got angry and used some unacceptable terms in name calling somebody with a dark skin colour, rather than actually being racist?

When racist thoughts expressed are not racism...

I really don't get the defense of racist comments? I feel certain that there are many things said in breakaways when a rider isn't working, some of those things are very unkind...but I feel certain that one need not resort to mention of another's race to make your point. Choosing to use race in your tirade however indicates that whatever thoughts you are expressing are found within something you've thought about before.

You guys can play the whole "it's all cool because he was angry, and they kissed and made up, and Albasini isn't necessarily racist because he said something racist" all you want, but it's a ridiculous stance.

EDIT: Let me also say that I don't think he should be punished in any way for his comment however. I am a big proponent of free speech because I want fu*king idiots to express themselves so they may be more easily identified...plus, I tire so much of people couching their racism in terms less offensive in order to create plausible deniability. If you're a racist, have the balls to be a racist.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I don't know if that's a case of racism, when you're really angry at someone for whatever reason, you use the words that you think are the most hurtful.

No it isn't.

The "I'm sorry I punched you in the face baby, I didn't mean it, I was angry" defense. Yea...seems legit.

Seriously, this thread provides more than ample evidence that there is little reason to have faith in much of humanity.

So you're not "you" when you're angry? Yea, take it from someone with anger issues, you are absolutely "you" when you are angry. I may ask for forgiveness when I inappropriately express my anger, but I certainly don't p!ss on top of it with "I didn't really mean it." Accept the consequences for your actions, and for what you express to others.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

If racism is nothing but mean words, it isn't anything at all.

The worst racism is not expressed in words.