Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[SeriousSam]

The other teams learned nothing with that number, which may or may not be close Froome's actual number, that they didn't already know.

 

[No_Balls]

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This obsession with adding Nairo in the Froome/Contador rivalry simply has to stop. Quintana is probably in a historical context one of the most overrated riders of all time. I simply cant remember the last time we had a cyclist who didnt have any obligations whatsoever to actually living up to all the praise and reputation he'd actually got. Simply the name Quintana seems to be enough for bringing home the GT's - not actually doing it on the road. But it doesnt stop there, with Quintana the overrating comes with a brand new twist to it: all his failures nullifies after each failed attempt with restored reputation and legacy intact. Yes, you heard that right, he doesnt need to perform in order of still being recognised in the same breath as multiple GT-winners. And, as if that wasnt enough, despite all of his failures he is in some cases recognised as the better rider despite being on the same page (or worse) over the cycle of a season.

Contador, by some assumed of doing a low-key season despite winning the Giro weeks ago, a feat Quintana years ago are still building his reputation on, fails in the Tour and are considered "finished", "old", "past his prime", while Quintana once again fails in the one single race he builds his every season on and we will hear things like "the weather" or the favorite excuse "room for improvent". As if his cheerleaders have frozen in a paralell dimension outside time and space where Quintana doesnt age waiting for the big jump in performance that has been put on hold.

Urban Dictionary: Overrated.

Anything that is given too much credit and hype.

See:
Ford Mustang
Notorious B.I.G.
Vince Carter
Dragonball Z
Myspace
Nairo Quintana

 

[gazr99]

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This obsession with adding Nairo in the Froome/Contador rivalry simply has to stop. Quintana is probably in a historical context one of the most overrated riders of all time. I simply cant remember the last time we had a cyclist who didnt have any obligations whatsoever to actually living up to all the praise and reputation he'd actually got. Simply the name Quintana seems to be enough for bringing home the GT's - not actually doing it on the road. But it doesnt stop there, with Quintana the overrating comes with a brand new twist to it: all his failures nullifies after each failed attempt with restored reputation and legacy intact. Yes, you heard that right, he doesnt need to perform in order of still being recognised in the same breath as multiple GT-winners. And, as if that wasnt enough, despite all of his failures he is in some cases recognised as the better rider despite being on the same page (or worse) over the cycle of a season.

Contador, by some assumed of doing a low-key season despite winning the Giro weeks ago, a feat Quintana years ago are still building his reputation on, fails in the Tour and are considered "finished", "old", "past his prime", while Quintana once again fails in the one single race he builds his every season on and we will hear things like "the weather" or the favorite excuse "room for improvent". As if his cheerleaders have frozen in a paralell dimension outside time and space where Quintana doesnt age waiting for the big jump in performance that has been put on hold.

Urban Dictionary: Overrated.

Anything that is given too much credit and hype.

See:
Ford Mustang
Notorious B.I.G.
Vince Carter
Dragonball Z
Myspace
Nairo Quintana

What a troll post. I'm not aware of many saying Contador is old and past it this year, they have simply said the Giro has taken its toll.

Quintana has gained his reputation from winning the Giro last year, and coming runner up in his first Tour the year before and he's only just turned 25. He's won a few stage races in between as well don't forget.

So chill out

 

[Jspear]

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This obsession with adding Nairo in the Froome/Contador rivalry simply has to stop. Quintana is probably in a historical context one of the most overrated riders of all time. I simply cant remember the last time we had a cyclist who didnt have any obligations whatsoever to actually living up to all the praise and reputation he'd actually got. Simply the name Quintana seems to be enough for bringing home the GT's - not actually doing it on the road. But it doesnt stop there, with Quintana the overrating comes with a brand new twist to it: all his failures nullifies after each failed attempt with restored reputation and legacy intact. Yes, you heard that right, he doesnt need to perform in order of still being recognised in the same breath as multiple GT-winners. And, as if that wasnt enough, despite all of his failures he is in some cases recognised as the better rider despite being on the same page (or worse) over the cycle of a season.

Contador, by some assumed of doing a low-key season despite winning the Giro weeks ago, a feat Quintana years ago are still building his reputation on, fails in the Tour and are considered "finished", "old", "past his prime", while Quintana once again fails in the one single race he builds his every season on and we will hear things like "the weather" or the favorite excuse "room for improvent". As if his cheerleaders have frozen in a paralell dimension outside time and space where Quintana doesnt age waiting for the big jump in performance that has been put on hold.

Urban Dictionary: Overrated.

Anything that is given too much credit and hype.

See:
Ford Mustang
Notorious B.I.G.
Vince Carter
Dragonball Z
Myspace
Nairo Quintana

He builds his every season on the Tour? I guess you just started watching cycling this year? Last year he targeted the Giro-Vuelta double. He won the Giro and crashed out of the Vuelta while in the leaders jersey. In 2013 he rode the Tour but wasn't the sole leader until Valverde lost loads of time. You make it sound like he has been around for years targeting the Tour. This is his first year targeting the Tour as the designated leader. Coming in 2nd behind Froome isn't something to be ashamed of. Sure some might overhype him, but you've gone to the other extreme.

Back to AC....he'll win tomorrow.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Back to AC....he'll win tomorrow.

I believe #BelieveInBerto

 

[BlurryVII]

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He builds his every season on the Tour? I guess you just started watching cycling this year? Last year he targeted the Giro-Vuelta double. He won the Giro and crashed out of the Vuelta while in the leaders jersey. In 2013 he rode the Tour but wasn't the sole leader until Valverde lost loads of time. You make it sound like he has been around for years targeting the Tour. This is his first year targeting the Tour as the designated leader. Coming in 2nd behind Froome isn't something to be ashamed of. Sure some might overhype him, but you've gone to the other extreme.

His post isn't even trolling. That's the worst. All he said is true.

He is hyped as the best climber since the prehistorical times. Pantani? ugh, he is nothing next to the mythical Quintana. There are always excuses on his case, it's ridiculous.

It seems like he needs a 50 kms climb going up to 4 thousands meters altitude so that he can finally be able to drop everyone on his 'magnificent' pace.

The guy hasn't shown ANYTHING. He is a wheelsucker type of climber which biased people don't seem to realise because he is colombian and has an exotic name. He spends all season sucking wheels, where are the demontrations uphill?

 

[mr. tibbs]

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I'm pretty sure fanboys have excuses for all of the 4 cases Landa dropped him. Landa has an excuse for the stage into Verbania as well (crash before the climb).
But 4-1 excuse ratio is still against Contador in the Giro climbing debate. As is the time taken in the mountains, stage wins, one on one mountain battles etc.

I don't understand this logic. Contador did what he needed to do to win the Giro. This doesn't include sweeping up every MTF and constantly shelling everyone else when the road turns up. It also doesn't include winning every sprint and getting into every breakaway. Landa climbed well, but did not do what was necessary to win the Giro.

I'm confused about what point you're trying to make. Do you even remember, or are you just belaboring this because it's the Internet?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I'm pretty sure fanboys have excuses for all of the 4 cases Landa dropped him. Landa has an excuse for the stage into Verbania as well (crash before the climb).
But 4-1 excuse ratio is still against Contador in the Giro climbing debate. As is the time taken in the mountains, stage wins, one on one mountain battles etc.

I don't understand this logic. Contador did what he needed to do to win the Giro. This doesn't include sweeping up every MTF and constantly shelling everyone else when the road turns up. It also doesn't include winning every sprint and getting into every breakaway. Landa climbed well, but did not do what was necessary to win the Giro.

I'm confused about what point you're trying to make. Do you even remember, or are you just belaboring this because it's the Internet?

By the way, Riis said Contador was at 85% of his capacity because of allergies at the Giro. So there's that

 

[Matteo.]

He will need rain or wet roads to try something , otherwise no big differences will be made

 

[Publicus]

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[snip]

[/color]Urban Dictionary: Overrated.

Anything that is given too much credit and hype.

See:
Ford Mustang
Notorious B.I.G.
Vince Carter
Dragonball Z
Myspace
Nairo Quintana

Here's where you lost me... . And I don't think we can say Quintana is overrated yet. He hasn't lived up to (or exceeded) the hype surrounding him, which may say more about his fans than him in general (it's not as if he's running around making these grand proclamations about himself).

 

[No_Balls]

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This obsession with adding Nairo in the Froome/Contador rivalry simply has to stop. Quintana is probably in a historical context one of the most overrated riders of all time. I simply cant remember the last time we had a cyclist who didnt have any obligations whatsoever to actually living up to all the praise and reputation he'd actually got. Simply the name Quintana seems to be enough for bringing home the GT's - not actually doing it on the road. But it doesnt stop there, with Quintana the overrating comes with a brand new twist to it: all his failures nullifies after each failed attempt with restored reputation and legacy intact. Yes, you heard that right, he doesnt need to perform in order of still being recognised in the same breath as multiple GT-winners. And, as if that wasnt enough, despite all of his failures he is in some cases recognised as the better rider despite being on the same page (or worse) over the cycle of a season.

Contador, by some assumed of doing a low-key season despite winning the Giro weeks ago, a feat Quintana years ago are still building his reputation on, fails in the Tour and are considered "finished", "old", "past his prime", while Quintana once again fails in the one single race he builds his every season on and we will hear things like "the weather" or the favorite excuse "room for improvent". As if his cheerleaders have frozen in a paralell dimension outside time and space where Quintana doesnt age waiting for the big jump in performance that has been put on hold.

Urban Dictionary: Overrated.

Anything that is given too much credit and hype.

See:
Ford Mustang
Notorious B.I.G.
Vince Carter
Dragonball Z
Myspace
Nairo Quintana

What a troll post. I'm not aware of many saying Contador is old and past it this year, they have simply said the Giro has taken its toll.

Quintana has gained his reputation from winning the Giro last year, and coming runner up in his first Tour the year before and he's only just turned 25. He's won a few stage races in between as well don't forget.

So chill out

For the first part: this is basically what (from most of his critics) happens everytime in this thread when/if Contador doesnt attack or doesnt win a stage/GT. What happens in the Nairo-thread i am not aware since i am seldom there but i assume Ryo and crew hails him as better then Bahamontes after doing the exact same thing Contador is being criticised for in this Tour: mostly sitting in the pack and not winning. Contador has ridden and won a Giro. What is Quintanas excuse?

Second or third doesnt take you places. Contador by the time of 25 had won three GT's. Just sayin.

 

[Kwibus]

It's great to hear that Tinkov-Saxo has it's rest day in a hotel without airconditioning. Oh boy... Atleast make sure that on a rest day everyone has access to airco.

 

[dacooley]

no_balls, dude you'd better get back to your 'il padrone' hyping rhetotic instead of bashing the other contenders nairito and froome. they are all worthy opponents. alberto is overrated in this thread too in a way. that's an absolutely ok situation on the FANS' forumboard.

using alberto as an yardstick and comparing quintana or froome to him is not quite correct as we'll very unlikely see such a grandissimo champ in the nearest years or even decades. contador is absolutely unique, notwithstanding any local success in the form of SINGLE gt win taken by nairo/froome/nibali or any other guy shouldn't be appraised in the light of excuses for contador. that's as biased as proclaiming quintana the best climber since pantani's era.

 

[Miburo]

Fleur is it gonna rain tomorrow?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Fleur is it gonna rain tomorrow?

Most likely
http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Pra-Loup-weather/Provence-Alpes-Cote-Dazur/FR.aspx?day=1&tp=1

 

[Miburo]

Thanks fleur, if by some miracle he gets his legs of 2014 again, he can win this tour. Of course that won't happen but just to show with these next 4 stages there's a lot of chances to gain time back.

 

[Arnout]

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He builds his every season on the Tour? I guess you just started watching cycling this year? Last year he targeted the Giro-Vuelta double. He won the Giro and crashed out of the Vuelta while in the leaders jersey. In 2013 he rode the Tour but wasn't the sole leader until Valverde lost loads of time. You make it sound like he has been around for years targeting the Tour. This is his first year targeting the Tour as the designated leader. Coming in 2nd behind Froome isn't something to be ashamed of. Sure some might overhype him, but you've gone to the other extreme.

His post isn't even trolling. That's the worst. All he said is true.

He is hyped as the best climber since the prehistorical times. Pantani? ugh, he is nothing next to the mythical Quintana. There are always excuses on his case, it's ridiculous.

It seems like he needs a 50 kms climb going up to 4 thousands meters altitude so that he can finally be able to drop everyone on his 'magnificent' pace.

The guy hasn't shown ANYTHING. He is a wheelsucker type of climber which biased people don't seem to realise because he is colombian and has an exotic name. He spends all season sucking wheels, where are the demontrations uphill?

Lol. I know the Contador thread has always downplayed the capacities of other riders but this is stretching it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Thanks fleur, if by some miracle he gets his legs of 2014 again, he can win this tour. Of course that won't happen but just to show with these next 4 stages there's a lot of chances to gain time back.

I just hope he makes it a hell for Froome and Sky & maybe he can win a stage. Everything else is a bonus

 

[shalgo]

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It's great to hear that Tinkov-Saxo has it's rest day in a hotel without airconditioning. Oh boy... Atleast make sure that on a rest day everyone has access to airco.

Yes, this is absolutely ridiculous. Given the heat in which they have been riding, ASO should at least ensure that all teams are in a hotel that has air conditioning.

 

[rhubroma]

The human body hasn't changed in 20 years, when there was no air conditioning in Europe. Just a thought.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Thanks fleur, if by some miracle he gets his legs of 2014 again, he can win this tour. Of course that won't happen but just to show with these next 4 stages there's a lot of chances to gain time back.

I just hope he makes it a hell for Froome and Sky & maybe he can win a stage. Everything else is a bonus

Won't just be Sky though Flo, if he tries something from long range then he will have Movistar and BMC chasing hard protecting their podium interests. If he goes for a late attack I don't think Froome will mind losing the odd 30 seconds with the gap he has. Although like yourself I hope he tries.

 

[Miburo]

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The human body hasn't changed in 20 years, when there was no air conditioning in Europe. Just a thought.

Thousands years ago many people lived outside. I guess we should all live outside again heh? What a ridiculous comment.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Thanks fleur, if by some miracle he gets his legs of 2014 again, he can win this tour. Of course that won't happen but just to show with these next 4 stages there's a lot of chances to gain time back.

I just hope he makes it a hell for Froome and Sky & maybe he can win a stage. Everything else is a bonus

Won't just be Sky though Flo, if he tries something from long range then he will have Movistar and BMC chasing hard protecting their podium interests. If he goes for a late attack I don't think Froome will mind losing the odd 30 seconds with the gap he has. Although like yourself I hope he tries.

Did I say it would be just Sky chasing? No, I said I hope he makes it hell for Sky. Valverde will chase him down without question, that's just what he does. I have no illusions, it will be nearly impossible to gain big time on Froome unless he (Froome) has a terrible day.

 

[Angliru]

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He builds his every season on the Tour? I guess you just started watching cycling this year? Last year he targeted the Giro-Vuelta double. He won the Giro and crashed out of the Vuelta while in the leaders jersey. In 2013 he rode the Tour but wasn't the sole leader until Valverde lost loads of time. You make it sound like he has been around for years targeting the Tour. This is his first year targeting the Tour as the designated leader. Coming in 2nd behind Froome isn't something to be ashamed of. Sure some might overhype him, but you've gone to the other extreme.

His post isn't even trolling. That's the worst. All he said is true.

He is hyped as the best climber since the prehistorical times. Pantani? ugh, he is nothing next to the mythical Quintana. There are always excuses on his case, it's ridiculous.

It seems like he needs a 50 kms climb going up to 4 thousands meters altitude so that he can finally be able to drop everyone on his 'magnificent' pace.

The guy hasn't shown ANYTHING. He is a wheelsucker type of climber which biased people don't seem to realise because he is colombian and has an exotic name. He spends all season sucking wheels, where are the demontrations uphill?

Hasn't shown anything? Name another rider his age that has a Tour podium and Giro victory under his belt. Name another rider of his age that is currently within grasp of another Tour podium. While the other young guns have faltered and fallen by the wayside (Kelderman, Pinot, Talansky, Bardet...), Quintana is still there.
He isn't in front of Froome currently in the gc but then who in this year's Tour is? No, he isn't the best climber in the sport but he has to be in the top 5.

As far as the hype of him goes, it is primarily a chosen few that exaggerate his standing in the heirarchy of the grand tour riders. He has great potential and even his director sportif has proclaimed him as the greatest climber that he's ever had on any of his teams and that is quite impressive if you consider that that includes Indurain, Delgado, Valverde, Purito, Jimenez, Soler, ....

 

[ray j willings]

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Contador would still be in contention to win the tour if Froome wasn't in the race, just as in 2013. People seem to forget that Contador started the final competitively raced stage in 2nd. Ive as always wondered how that stage would have unfolded had he been in yellow.

You can't possibly know that.
If Froome wasn't in the race Quintana would have raced differently.

if Bertie can match Froome and beat him like 2014, he's not going to have much trouble with Quintana.
He just beat Quintana before the tour. I think that race showed us where Quintana's form is.
Quintana cannot race. He just hopes he his the strongest on the last climb.

That race showed us nothing. Except the fact that Contador is a better descender than Quintana(which we already knew).
He doesn't hope. He attacks plenty of times. If Froome hadn't been in the race, ceteris paribus, the stage into PdB would have developed differently.

He could not drop or pass Contador before Bertie took off downhill.

Yeah Porte would have dropped him and won instead