Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Hugo Koblet]

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This guy thinks Froome has the best chances for the double when he can't even keep his form for 3 weeks. And completely fades away at the first scratch (crash) .

Best GT Rider? He isn't better than Contador, that's for sure. AC won more GT's post ban than Froome. Froome beat him in the Tour 13', off season for AC, and Tour 15' with the Giro in his legs. <edited by mods>

AC can't even keep his form for two weeks.

And the second part of your post is just one big lol.

 

[BlurryVII]

Re: Re:

This guy thinks Froome has the best chances for the double when he can't even keep his form for 3 weeks. And completely fades away at the first scratch (crash) .

Best GT Rider? He isn't better than Contador, that's for sure. AC won more GT's post ban than Froome. Froome beat him in the Tour 13', off season for AC, and Tour 15' with the Giro in his legs. <edited by mods>.

AC can't even keep his form for two weeks.

And the second part of your post is just one big lol.

AC can't keep his form for 2 weeks? Are you for real ? I guess you should check all the GT's Contador has won (Should I mention them?) including Giro 15', where he only had a bad day at the very last mountain stage.

Froome won 2 GTs, in which he completely faded in the last week in both.

Oh and 'big lol' is not an argument. Contador won 3 GT's since Froome came outta nowhere, vs 2. Both times AC was completely off form, due to Giro and a bad 2013 season which was likely to happen at some point after so many years dominating.

 

[dacooley]

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This guy thinks Froome has the best chances for the double when he can't even keep his form for 3 weeks. And completely fades away at the first scratch (crash) .

Best GT Rider? He isn't better than Contador, that's for sure. AC won more GT's post ban than Froome. Froome beat him in the Tour 13', off season for AC, and Tour 15' with the Giro in his legs. <edited by mods>

yet again, that cannot be ascribed as excuses in any sense. every rider sharpens his form for the tour the way he likes. if you screw up your prep that's your problem, otherwise let's explain any disappoint result by off year or off race. with regards to 2015, no one forced bertie to do the giro and he like no one else had realized something like psm defeat would be very possible given the fatigue after the giro.

being delusional? so if i'm not in your bandwagon on the matter, i'm delusional? very intelligent from you.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

This guy thinks Froome has the best chances for the double when he can't even keep his form for 3 weeks. And completely fades away at the first scratch (crash) .

Best GT Rider? He isn't better than Contador, that's for sure. AC won more GT's post ban than Froome. Froome beat him in the Tour 13', off season for AC, and Tour 15' with the Giro in his legs. <edited by mods>

AC can't even keep his form for two weeks.

And the second part of your post is just one big lol.

AC can't keep his form for 2 weeks? Are you for real ? I guess you should check all the GT's Contador has won (Should I mention them?) including Giro 15', where he only had a bad day at the very last mountain stage.

Froome won 2 GTs, in which he completely faded in the last week in both.

Oh and 'big lol' is not an argument. Contador won 3 GT's since Froome came outta nowhere, vs 2. Both times AC was completely off form, due to Giro and a bad 2013 season which was likely to happen at some point after so many years dominating.

People keep misunderstanding Froome and his peak/form whatever you want to call it. Froome peaks for the first two weeks and then his form drops. Contador (and other GT riders) start a GT not in peak condition but peak in the last week.

Difference is that Froome is in peak condition for the first two weeks while the others are only in peak condition for one week.

If you really believe that Contador is a favorite against Froome in a GT I suggest you go bet some money on it.

 

[BlurryVII]

Contador is litteraly the most consistent rider when he targets a GT, in almost every GT he has won, he has kept the exact same form throughout 3 weeks. Like what the *** is this guy talking about?

 

[BlurryVII]

Re: Re:

This guy thinks Froome has the best chances for the double when he can't even keep his form for 3 weeks. And completely fades away at the first scratch (crash) .

Best GT Rider? He isn't better than Contador, that's for sure. AC won more GT's post ban than Froome. Froome beat him in the Tour 13', off season for AC, and Tour 15' with the Giro in his legs. <edited by mods>.

yet again, that cannot be ascribed as excuses in any sense. every rider sharpens his form for the tour the way he likes. if you screw up your prep that's your problem, otherwise let's explain any disappoint result by off year or off race. with regards to 2015, no one forced bertie to do the giro and he like no one else had realized something like psm defeat would be very possible given the fatigue after the giro.

being delusional? so if i'm not in your bandwagon on the matter, i'm delusional? very intelligent from you.

Sure, fair enough. Did I question Froome's wins in the Tour 13' and 15'? Nope.

I'm just saying he ain't a better GT rider than Contador.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I can see why the "Froome vs Contador for the double" could be a real discussion. But honestly, discussing with someone who is so delusional that he thinks that Contador is a better GT rider than Froome is just pointless.

 

[dacooley]

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Contador is litteraly the most consistent rider when he targets a GT, in almost every GT he has won, he has kept the exact same form throughout 3 weeks. Like what the **** is this guy talking about?

when was the last time bertie showed something really extraordinary like froome at ax-3 or quintana on alpedhuez in a gt?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Usually Hugo posts quality stuff but this is just mind-boggling imo, either way don't waste your time arguing about it, just ignore it if you don't agree with him. This is one of those subjects we can argue about for days and we still wouldn't be any closer to agreement.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Usually Hugo posts quality stuff but this is just mind-boggling imo, either way don't waste your time arguing about it, just ignore it if you don't agree with him. This is one of those subjects we can argue about for days and we still wouldn't be any closer to agreement.

What is it that you don't agree with?

 

[BlurryVII]

Re: Re:

This guy thinks Froome has the best chances for the double when he can't even keep his form for 3 weeks. And completely fades away at the first scratch (crash) .

Best GT Rider? He isn't better than Contador, that's for sure. AC won more GT's post ban than Froome. Froome beat him in the Tour 13', off season for AC, and Tour 15' with the Giro in his legs. Keep being delusional.

AC can't even keep his form for two weeks.

And the second part of your post is just one big lol.

AC can't keep his form for 2 weeks? Are you for real ? I guess you should check all the GT's Contador has won (Should I mention them?) including Giro 15', where he only had a bad day at the very last mountain stage.

Froome won 2 GTs, in which he completely faded in the last week in both.

Oh and 'big lol' is not an argument. Contador won 3 GT's since Froome came outta nowhere, vs 2. Both times AC was completely off form, due to Giro and a bad 2013 season which was likely to happen at some point after so many years dominating.

People keep misunderstanding Froome and his peak/form whatever you want to call it. Froome peaks for the first two weeks and then his form drops. Contador (and other GT riders) start a GT not in peak condition but peak in the last week.

Difference is that Froome is in peak condition for the first two weeks while the others are only in peak condition for one week.

If you really believe that Contador is a favorite against Froome in a GT I suggest you go bet some money on it.

Sure, 'Contador has always peaked for only one week in all the GTs he won'. What the actual ***?

I'm pretty sure you must be confusing Quintana and Contador somewhere. Quintana is the one who peaks for the last week, not Contador.

In the Tour 13' and 15', Contador was off form, so he didn't peak at all. I'd suggest you to rewatch the 9 GTs AC won cause you seem to have a short term memory.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Contador is litteraly the most consistent rider when he targets a GT, in almost every GT he has won, he has kept the exact same form throughout 3 weeks. Like what the **** is this guy talking about?

when was the last time bertie showed something really extraordinary like froome at ax-3 or quintana on alpedhuez in a gt?

Last year he was clearly below par throughout the entire year but his ITT at the Giro was very impressive.
Ask jens_attacks about his 2014 Vuelta MTF wins, they were 1 and 2 in his Subiendo como una moto awards that year.
Oh and while you are at it also ask him about the Malhao numbers cause jens says if they are correct he can do a Verbier or better

 

[LaFlorecita]

If anything, Contador peaks for the 2nd week. When has he ever had his most impressive performances in the third week, like Quintana?
Contador is just way more consistent than Froome so when he is a little bit off his peak he doesn't immediately look like crap.
When's the last time Contador finished in gruppetto? I'm not sure he's actually ever managed that

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What is it that you don't agree with?

Everything you posted on the last few pages of this thread but that should not come as a surprise to you

 

[BlurryVII]

Re: Re:

Contador is litteraly the most consistent rider when he targets a GT, in almost every GT he has won, he has kept the exact same form throughout 3 weeks. Like what the **** is this guy talking about?

when was the last time bertie showed something really extraordinary like froome at ax-3 or quintana on alpedhuez in a gt?

How many GTs have they won? Contador 9, Froome 2, Quintana 1.

Since 2012? Contador 3, Froome 2, Quintana 1.

The last time Contador showed something extraordinary? Maybe Lanciano - Guardigrele Tirreno 2014, 40 secs into Quintana on Lanciano in 3 kms, catch up and drops the breakaway?

Muro de Gaintza, 15 seconds into valverde in 1 km, on a steep short climb. Cote de montagny, Dauphiné 2014 last stage where he was a whole minute faster than anyone else.

La Farrapona Vuelta 2014, where his numbers actually matches those of Froome on PSM.
Mortirolo Giro 2015. And so on.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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What is it that you don't agree with?

Everything you posted on the last few pages of this thread but that should not come as a surprise to you

Hehe probably not Anyway, I'm not gonna discuss the subject anymore. It's not like we'll ever figure out who's right and who's wrong anyway (unless Froome wins the double of course )

 

[Valv.Piti]

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If anything, Contador peaks for the 2nd week. When has he ever had his most impressive performances in the third week, like Quintana?
Contador is just way more consistent than Froome so when he is a little bit off his peak he doesn't immediately look like crap.
When's the last time Contador finished in gruppetto? I'm not sure he's actually ever managed that

Froome doesn't exactly look like crap once he is a little of his peak, that his to be a misunderstanding. I bet you are referring to Catalunya last year, or maybe not, but I think Froome is a very consistent rider (when he not catches a cold etc.) I think he is much like Contador in that regard, altho Contador is the more consistent over a whole year due to Froome's health

 

[BlurryVII]

Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It is very obvious when in a GT Froome usually peaks. For Contador it is not obvious at all. Should that not tell us that Contador is more consistent?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

Yes, perhaps he is Carlton Kirby.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

I'll admit that it's probably not right to say that Contador can't keep his form for two weeks, and I think you're right, he is one of the most consistent GT riders.

It's just that his level isn't high enough anymore. Not to win the double, not to beat Froome.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

I'll admit that it's probably not right to say that Contador can't keep his form for two weeks, and I think you're right, he is one of the most consistent GT riders.

It's just that his level isn't high enough anymore. Not to win the double, not to beat Froome.

So after putting all Froome's rivals in the same bag of bias, thinking they're all the same, now you moved on to Contador can't beat Froome?

Yes sir, that's what we saw in the Vuelta 12', and Vuelta 14'. Froome wasn't in top shape? Snap, Contador wasn't either in Tour 13' and 15'

Vuelta 14' was on equal ground though.

 

[Jspear]

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Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

I'll admit that it's probably not right to say that Contador can't keep his form for two weeks, and I think you're right, he is one of the most consistent GT riders.

It's just that his level isn't high enough anymore. Not to win the double, not to beat Froome.

Want to do an avatar bet for the Tour? You're saying Froome will beat AC, I'm saying AC will beat Froome. As long as they both finish the race (no crashes) the bet stands?

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

I'll admit that it's probably not right to say that Contador can't keep his form for two weeks, and I think you're right, he is one of the most consistent GT riders.

It's just that his level isn't high enough anymore. Not to win the double, not to beat Froome.

So after putting all Froome's rivals in the same bag of bias, thinking they're all the same, now you moved on to Contador can't beat Froome?

Yes sir, that's what we saw in the Vuelta 12', and Vuelta 14'. Froome wasn't in top shape? Snap, Contador wasn't either in Tour 13' and 15'

I haven't "moved on" to anything. I'm commenting on the discussion I started out commenting: Who is more likely to do the double.

I have never seen your username before, so I don't know if you're a Contador fan, but if you are, that would explain some of your comments and behaviour in this discussion. I'm not gonna fall to the same level so I'm leaving the discussion now.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Let's just say he must be confusing Contador with Quintana. That's only explanation I can find to his nonsense right now.

I'll admit that it's probably not right to say that Contador can't keep his form for two weeks, and I think you're right, he is one of the most consistent GT riders.

It's just that his level isn't high enough anymore. Not to win the double, not to beat Froome.

Want to do an avatar bet for the Tour? You're saying Froome will beat AC, I'm saying AC will beat Froome. As long as they both finish the race (no crashes) the bet stands?

Sure. Let's talk terms when the Tour is getting closer