Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[HelloDolly]

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This thread is like going into the Twilight zone....same people having the same arguments over and over again...

Yes, no one forces you to enter the thread.

Stop being so bloody rude

I am entitled to comment on a thread ...you re not so shy at knocking everyone and everything that does not cow down at the feet of your hero...Of course the thread is driven and controlled by you ..so that says alot

 

[Red Rick]

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This thread is like going into the Twilight zone....same people having the same arguments over and over again...

Yes, no one forces you to enter the thread.

Stop being so bloody rude

I am entitled to comment on a thread ...you re not so shy at knocking everyone and everything that does not cow down at the feet of your hero...Of course the thread is driven and controlled by you ..so that says alot

I hope you see the irony in this

 

[GJB123]

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It is nonsense to say they were on equal terms in vuelta 2014 because a: they both had different injuries we don't know who recovered best people speculate that Contador recovered best but we'll never know for sure.
B: Contador fans ignore 2013 and insist on 2014 because Contador 2013 was not top shape. You could argue though that froome 2014 was not top shape either. At the end of the day we can only compare each other's seasons that is it. So Contador is better overall but froome has been better for last 4-5 seasons

Since 2011-2012 Contador has won a GT in every year bar 2013. In the last 4-5 years Froome has won 2 GT's. I don't understand your maths.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Of course in 2013 they were on equal terms and 2013 can be used when figuring out who was the best rider in the last 3-4 years. But it can't be used as an argument in a discussion about who is better when both are in top shape.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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It is nonsense to say they were on equal terms in vuelta 2014 because a: they both had different injuries we don't know who recovered best people speculate that Contador recovered best but we'll never know for sure.
B: Contador fans ignore 2013 and insist on 2014 because Contador 2013 was not top shape. You could argue though that froome 2014 was not top shape either. At the end of the day we can only compare each other's seasons that is it. So Contador is better overall but froome has been better for last 4-5 seasons

Since 2011-2012 Contador has won a GT in every year bar 2013. In the last 4-5 years Froome has won 2 GT's. I don't understand your maths.

He won a vuelta in 2012 in a very close battle against purito, won the vuelta in 2014 in his great year and won a giro against hardly stellar opposition. In the mean time froome has won two tours against the toughest opposition on the planet. What's more he's dominated one week races notably in 2013, was second in the tour, twice in the vuelta and has won Olympic medals, he's dominated the mountains and the time trials... I know he's won less gt but more tdf and has been more impressive.

 

[ray j willings]

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It is nonsense to say they were on equal terms in vuelta 2014 because a: they both had different injuries we don't know who recovered best people speculate that Contador recovered best but we'll never know for sure.
B: Contador fans ignore 2013 and insist on 2014 because Contador 2013 was not top shape. You could argue though that froome 2014 was not top shape either. At the end of the day we can only compare each other's seasons that is it. So Contador is better overall but froome has been better for last 4-5 seasons

No you could not argue the same thing for Froome in 2014. Did you see his attack at the dauphine trying to ride Bertie off his wheel . Was that a weakened froome? I don't think so . That was Froome trying to lay down his dominance. Didn't work though and he paid for that in the rest of the dauphine. Froomes performance up FE proved he was not injured. Froome and Skybots dropped everyone on that climb except Bertie and Talansky.
His that the performance of a injured rider. Froome got his as4 handed to him that year by a superior rider.

2013 Bertie was awful he could barely hang on to his team mates. That was the first time we ever saw a awful Bertie. His performances over the years shows quite clearly that he was way off his best in 2013.
Froome on the other hand struggles and gets beaten in the 3rd week of a GT even when in best form. He just cannot handle a 3 week tour and was fortunate to have won any tour.

 

[dacooley]

i think it's pretty much a parity at the moment. notwithstanding if bertie can't win the tour this year reading something like 'heck, others show nothing special but peak exactly when contador is below par as ill luck would have it' will be a bit farcical

 

[Netserk]

Surely they were on equal terms in 2011 as well, no?

Froome was very impressive that spring...

 

[Ramon Koran]

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It is nonsense to say they were on equal terms in vuelta 2014 because a: they both had different injuries we don't know who recovered best people speculate that Contador recovered best but we'll never know for sure.
B: Contador fans ignore 2013 and insist on 2014 because Contador 2013 was not top shape. You could argue though that froome 2014 was not top shape either. At the end of the day we can only compare each other's seasons that is it. So Contador is better overall but froome has been better for last 4-5 seasons

No you could not argue the same thing for Froome in 2014. Did you see his attack at the dauphine trying to ride Bertie off his wheel . Was that a weakened froome? I don't think so . That was Froome trying to lay down his dominance. Didn't work though and he paid for that in the rest of the dauphine. Froomes performance up FE proved he was not injured. Froome and Skybots dropped everyone on that climb except Bertie and Talansky.
His that the performance of a injured rider. Froome got his as4 handed to him that year by a superior rider.

2013 Bertie was awful he could barely hang on to his team mates. That was the first time we ever saw a awful Bertie. His performances over the years shows quite clearly that he was way off his best in 2013.
Froome on the other hand struggles and gets beaten in the 3rd week of a GT even when in best form. He just cannot handle a 3 week tour and was fortunate to have won any tour.

Of course froome 2014 was strong but not 2013 level. He just is so good that even when not at thé top he is top 3... Yes froome weak third weak tdf but he has never really been in danger of loosing tour in third week. He had comfortable buffers. Let's not forget that Contador too very week third week in last two tours and giro. Only Quintana stronger third week but he too week elsewhere to win tour(didn't win 2015 despite it being for climbers). I still think only Alberto 07 or 09 could be peak froome. I would be happy to be wrong but don't see any one beating froome at tdf. Vuelta an other story...

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Surely they were on equal terms in 2011 as well, no?

Froome was very impressive that spring...

Froome vuelta 2011 preety good if I remember...

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Surely they were on equal terms in 2011 as well, no?

Froome was very impressive that spring...

he did beat Contador in Castilla y Leon

 

[ad9898]

Can we stop talking about Froome v Contador here, especially old arguments and at this time there are no new arguments, Alberto is racing at the min trying to find 7 seconds on Quintana, Lets discuss if he can find these seconds

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Can we stop talking about Froome v Contador here, especially old arguments and at this time there are no new arguments, Alberto is racing at the min trying to find 7 seconds on Quintana, Lets discuss if he can find these seconds

No he can't movie are to strong and will lock up the race I believe.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Can we stop talking about Froome v Contador here, especially old arguments and at this time there are no new arguments, Alberto is racing at the min trying to find 7 seconds on Quintana, Lets discuss if he can find these seconds

I agree
It will be hard to take time on Movistar. If Richie did not snatch those 4 bonus seconds, the gap would be within bonus seconds range. Let's say Contador, Martin, Porte, Van Garderen and Quintana ride to the line, Contador could snatch 3rd and 4 seconds. But with a 7 second deficit he needs to gap Quintana. It'll be very tough but he'll try for sure.

 

[Scarponi]

I do not have a problem with people discussing this stuff even if it is all the time. Were these forums created for anything else. No one else I know in my life rides a bike let alone follows the sport professionally so I enjoy every little discussion

 

[ad9898]

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Can we stop talking about Froome v Contador here, especially old arguments and at this time there are no new arguments, Alberto is racing at the min trying to find 7 seconds on Quintana, Lets discuss if he can find these seconds

I agree
It will be hard to take time on Movistar. If Richie did not snatch those 4 bonus seconds, the gap would be within bonus seconds range. Let's say Contador, Martin, Porte, Van Garderen and Quintana ride to the line, Contador could snatch 3rd and 4 seconds. But with a 7 second deficit he needs to gap Quintana. It'll be very tough but he'll try for sure.

I just wish he had a decent team, if he hadn't have had to chase just one of those gaps the other day I don't think Quintana would have gapped him. I know in the past he kinda hasn't needed one such is his dominance but I think he could just do with a half decent squad now.

With half the team of Sky or Movie he would've won both those previous races (Algarve & Paris-Nice) and that's not taking into account the cancelled stage in P-N but he's constantly either on his own or with maybe one team mate at crucial times

 

[Matteo.]

Wanting to stay on topic, I'm trying to find an explanation (or hope) so that he still has time to improve and come back as the 2014. You all know that I never find excuses, but this time I did some thinking.
If I remember well in 2014 after dominating the TA Alberto raced a Catalunya below expectations. A bit like this time.
Also in the week off after the PN, he probably had a slight cold and has trained very little. He just spent the time to recover.
So in view of PV, despite the obvious disappointment of Port Aine ', we can look with moderate optimism

 

[Jakub]

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Wanting to stay on topic, I'm trying to find an explanation (or hope) so that he still has time to improve and come back as the 2014. You all know that I never find excuses, but this time I did some thinking.
If I remember well in 2014 after dominating the TA Alberto raced a Catalunya below expectations. A bit like this time.
Also in the week off after the PN, he probably had a slight cold and has trained very little. He just spent the time to recover.
So in view of PV, despite the obvious disappointment of Port Aine ', we can look with moderate optimism

No, he raced Catalunya perfect in 2014, only the parcours were far better for pathetic mountain sprinter Rodriguez. Still he managed to get a second back with a very aggressive riding. In 2014 he was never dropped the way he was dropped by Quintana two days ago.

Anyway - he needs to find a bit more form, I still hope it is possible.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Wanting to stay on topic, I'm trying to find an explanation (or hope) so that he still has time to improve and come back as the 2014. You all know that I never find excuses, but this time I did some thinking.
If I remember well in 2014 after dominating the TA Alberto raced a Catalunya below expectations. A bit like this time.
Also in the week off after the PN, he probably had a slight cold and has trained very little. He just spent the time to recover.
So in view of PV, despite the obvious disappointment of Port Aine ', we can look with moderate optimism

No, he raced Catalunya perfect in 2014, only the parcours were far better for pathetic mountain sprinter Rodriguez. Still he managed to get a second back with a very aggressive riding. In 2014 he was never dropped the way he was dropped by Quintana two days ago.

Anyway - he needs to find a bit more form, I still hope it is possible.

I agree to a certain extent, but I also think Quintana is a better climber now than he was in 2014. Comparisons between an ageing Alberto and an improving Quintana is hard to draw.

 

[yaco]

What a strange thread - Read that Contador has been out of form since 2013, yet he won a GT in both 2014 an 2015.

 

[Matteo.]

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Wanting to stay on topic, I'm trying to find an explanation (or hope) so that he still has time to improve and come back as the 2014. You all know that I never find excuses, but this time I did some thinking.
If I remember well in 2014 after dominating the TA Alberto raced a Catalunya below expectations. A bit like this time.
Also in the week off after the PN, he probably had a slight cold and has trained very little. He just spent the time to recover.
So in view of PV, despite the obvious disappointment of Port Aine ', we can look with moderate optimism

No, he raced Catalunya perfect in 2014, only the parcours were far better for pathetic mountain sprinter Rodriguez. Still he managed to get a second back with a very aggressive riding. In 2014 he was never dropped the way he was dropped by Quintana two days ago.

Anyway - he needs to find a bit more form, I still hope it is possible.

I agree to a certain extent, but I also think Quintana is a better climber now than he was in 2014. Comparisons between an ageing Alberto and an improving Quintana is hard to draw.

It's true ,Quintana is going in his best years. Anyway , i'm confindent Alberto will win PV. Short climbs suits more him than Quintana but above all , i think he will beat all the contenders in the finally hilly TT

 

[BlurryVII]

I don't believe at all he'll get the 7 seconds tomorrow. If you believe that, then it's another frustrating stage incoming for you. Port Ainé was the day, now it's too late.

Tomorrow will be a dejavu, useless attacks for the show, and as usual the other pathetic favorites will chase him just to keep their spot in the Top 10, so Quintana won't have anything to do apart from keeping wheels.

Onto Pais Vasco.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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What a strange thread - Read that Contador has been out of form since 2013, yet he won a GT in both 2014 an 2015.

You can't deny that post 2013 Contador is nowhere compared to 2009 or 2011 Contador, who would be capable of challenging any rider in history at their peak

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What a strange thread - Read that Contador has been out of form since 2013, yet he won a GT in both 2014 an 2015.

Definitely he was in super shape in 2014.
It is really remarkable that Alberto can still win some of the toughest races or at the very least finish on the podium despite being in poor shape. Shows what an unbelievable talent he is.

 

[Red Rick]

You also can't deny that the best Contador since 2011 crashed out of the race before he was unleashed on the mountains