Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[LaFlorecita]

Many hands

 

[ray j willings]

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Spectacular climbing, remember he's being crushing it since 2007, it's now 2016 and he just destroyed guys far younger than him, just immense. If God rides a bike his name is Contador, nobody in the modern era comes close

I was going to write some kind of praise about Contador, he deserves today. but when I read this kind of things, better no... he is already exagerating praised...

In 2013 he did in the Tour a hard ITT at this level, so I dont have much more to say.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

I am having a nice day. I thought you would make some excuse for Quintana because he lost, wind, heavy socks,
Wheels smelt a bit funny , got distracted halfway up by a squirrel , or thinking " if I was a girl would I date Justin beiber" you now that sort of thing.
You know Taxus that Quintana got his as55 handed to him and you know that in last years tour Quintana was way to good for Froome in the mountains = Bertie wins tour.

[beware Aru]

 

[Jspear]

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So, in case he continue for one more season... what team will he ride for next year?

My guess is his own team.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nice words from Mick
I'm always happy 2 see this guy win. He puts his heart & soul into every pedal stroke @albertocontador @tinkoff_team https://t.co/F7iMjV8o31

 

[Brullnux]

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So, in case he continue for one more season... what team will he ride for next year?

My guess is his own team.

I hope Nibali joins said team. That would be fantastically fun.

 

[Metabolol]

Sadly the production and intermediate time updates were quite a mess. Does anyone have a good breakdown of how Contador-Henao-Quintana performed in the different phases of the race. I saw that Contador had a 20s+ gap that later got smaller ( I guess mostly because he took less risk than the other two).

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Re:

Spectacular climbing, remember he's being crushing it since 2007, it's now 2016 and he just destroyed guys far younger than him, just immense. If God rides a bike his name is Contador, nobody in the modern era comes close

I was going to write some kind of praise about Contador, he deserves today. but when I read this kind of things, better no... he is already exagerating praised...

In 2013 he did in the Tour a hard ITT at this level, so I dont have much more to say.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

I am having a nice day. I thought you would make some excuse for Quintana because he lost, wind, heavy socks,
Wheels smelt a bit funny , got distracted halfway up by a squirrel , or thinking " if I was a girl would I date Justin beiber" you now that sort of thing.
You know Taxus that Quintana got his as55 handed to him and you know that in last years tour Quintana was way to good for Froome in the mountains = Bertie wins tour.

[beware Aru]

Bertie beat quintana on short steep climbs hardly surprising but on longer drags quintana dominates him (catalunya). I dont see how you have workes out that Contador will win thé tour, there are still to many unknows. 1- can an in form Contador live with froome on first summit finish, 2- how much time will he won lose to rivals in tt, 3- will froome weaken in third weak, 4- can Contador match Quintana in 3rd week, lots of questions. Let's not forget that this assume Contador arrives in top form at tour and doesn't crash last time that happened was 2009. In 7 years a lot has happened.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Sadly the production and intermediate time updates were quite a mess. Does anyone have a good breakdown of how Contador-Henao-Quintana performed in the different phases of the race. I saw that Contador had a 20s+ gap that later got smaller ( I guess mostly because he took less risk than the other two).

1st part (climb) Contador - Quintana +23s - Henao +46s
2nd part (downhill) Henao - Quintana +10s - Contador +28s
I think

 

[jens_attacks]

Vamos grandeee

 

[BlurryVII]

Re:

Sadly the production and intermediate time updates were quite a mess. Does anyone have a good breakdown of how Contador-Henao-Quintana performed in the different phases of the race. I saw that Contador had a 20s+ gap that later got smaller ( I guess mostly because he took less risk than the other two).

After 4 kms, it was
Contador -
Quintana + 21 s
Henao + 23 s

At the first intermediate 6.6 kms, Contador -
Quintana +23 s
Henao + 46s

Then AC lost time in the descent by being extra careful like he said, Quintana and especially Henao was taking a lot of risks. But I don't know the exact splits for the 2nd part.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Vamos grandeee

 

[Metabolol]

Those are impressive numbers, imagine if he had gone all out on all parts of the course (of course he did the right thing at this point of the season and career).

 

[Jspear]

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So, in case he continue for one more season... what team will he ride for next year?

My guess is his own team.

I hope Nibali joins said team. That would be fantastically fun.

It would be interesting sure, but I doubt it'll happen. I think Nibbes has already been linked to a different project team.

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

Spectacular climbing, remember he's being crushing it since 2007, it's now 2016 and he just destroyed guys far younger than him, just immense. If God rides a bike his name is Contador, nobody in the modern era comes close

I was going to write some kind of praise about Contador, he deserves today. but when I read this kind of things, better no... he is already exagerating praised...

In 2013 he did in the Tour a hard ITT at this level, so I dont have much more to say.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

I am having a nice day. I thought you would make some excuse for Quintana because he lost, wind, heavy socks,
Wheels smelt a bit funny , got distracted halfway up by a squirrel , or thinking " if I was a girl would I date Justin beiber" you now that sort of thing.
You know Taxus that Quintana got his as55 handed to him and you know that in last years tour Quintana was way to good for Froome in the mountains = Bertie wins tour.

[beware Aru]

Bertie beat quintana on short steep climbs hardly surprising but on longer drags quintana dominates him (catalunya). I dont see how you have workes out that Contador will win thé tour, there are still to many unknows. 1- can an in form Contador live with froome on first summit finish, 2- how much time will he won lose to rivals in tt, 3- will froome weaken in third weak, 4- can Contador match Quintana in 3rd week, lots of questions. Let's not forget that this assume Contador arrives in top form at tour and doesn't crash last time that happened was 2009. In 7 years a lot has happened.

Let me help you with your "many unknowns"

1. Yes an inform AC can live with Froome on the first summit finish. Froome tried his signature move in the 2014 Dauphine. Check out stage 2.

2. he will lose some time to Froome in the TT, but if he is in shape it won't be by that much.

3. Yes Froome will weaken in the 3rd week....he has in each Tour were he won.

4. You're right here. We don't know if AC will keep up with Quintana and we don't know if Quintana will keep up with AC.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Let me help you with your "many unknowns"

2. he will lose some time to Froome in the TT, but if he is in shape it won't be by that much.

Flat TT yeah, and he'll gain some in the uphill TT.

Good post

 

[Jspear]

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Let me help you with your "many unknowns"

2. he will lose some time to Froome in the TT, but if he is in shape it won't be by that much.

Flat TT yeah, and he'll gain some in the uphill TT.

Totally. I'm out of touch...I forgot there was an uphill TT.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Spectacular climbing, remember he's being crushing it since 2007, it's now 2016 and he just destroyed guys far younger than him, just immense. If God rides a bike his name is Contador, nobody in the modern era comes close

I was going to write some kind of praise about Contador, he deserves today. but when I read this kind of things, better no... he is already exagerating praised...

In 2013 he did in the Tour a hard ITT at this level, so I dont have much more to say.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

I am having a nice day. I thought you would make some excuse for Quintana because he lost, wind, heavy socks,
Wheels smelt a bit funny , got distracted halfway up by a squirrel , or thinking " if I was a girl would I date Justin beiber" you now that sort of thing.
You know Taxus that Quintana got his as55 handed to him and you know that in last years tour Quintana was way to good for Froome in the mountains = Bertie wins tour.

[beware Aru]

Bertie beat quintana on short steep climbs hardly surprising but on longer drags quintana dominates him (catalunya). I dont see how you have workes out that Contador will win thé tour, there are still to many unknows. 1- can an in form Contador live with froome on first summit finish, 2- how much time will he won lose to rivals in tt, 3- will froome weaken in third weak, 4- can Contador match Quintana in 3rd week, lots of questions. Let's not forget that this assume Contador arrives in top form at tour and doesn't crash last time that happened was 2009. In 7 years a lot has happened.

Let me help you with your "many unknowns"

1. Yes an inform AC can live with Froome on the first summit finish. Froome tried his signature move in the 2014 Dauphine. Check out stage 2.

2. he will lose some time to Froome in the TT, but if he is in shape it won't be by that much.

3. Yes Froome will weaken in the 3rd week....he has in each Tour were he won.

4. You're right here. We don't know if AC will keep up with Quintana and we don't know if Quintana will keep up with AC.

1. There is a big difference between Col du Beal in the Dauphine and a proper MTF in the Tour. However, it favours Contador and Quintana this year by a) coming after two mountain stages and b) being Andorra Arcalis compared to a steeper climb. When that's said, the Arcalis stage is hard and if Sky decides to go ***, the field will splinter in the bottom and god knows what happens. And who knows if they decides to push it earlier, on Aspin or Peyresourde? My money is still on Arcalis, thats what Froome knows.

2. I predict Contador losing with 1 minute and Quintana with 1.30-1.45 since its still relatively early in the race, about the same time when Froome dominated the flat TT in 2013. The MTT? Who knows, it really depends who is feeling well at this point. Might be Contador, might be Quintana, might even be Froome.

3. That I agree with, but I miss a really tough stage again this year. The finish on stage 17 is brutal, but is easy beforehand, stage 19 is a little meh, stage 20 is okayish, but lacks terrain to attack from afar IMO. But you dont necessarily need to do that if you are going to put 1-2 minutes into Froome on JP and Emosson, depending on how the GC looks. I also do think, all things considered, that he will try to be a little better in the last week this year. Or maybe he will only need the trifecta of MTF, ITT and Ventoux again? He has used that before.

4. I dont think anyone will be able to keep up 100% with Quintana in the last week, but Contador has the edge in the Pyrenees and the ITT.

 

[BlurryVII]

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1. There is a big difference between Col du Beal in the Dauphine and a proper MTF in the Tour. However, it favours Contador and Quintana this year by a) coming after two mountain stages and b) being Andorra Arcalis compared to a steeper climb. When that's said, the Arcalis stage is hard and if Sky decides to go ***, the field will splinter in the bottom and god knows what happens. And who knows if they decides to push it earlier, on Aspin or Peyresourde? My money is still on Arcalis, thats what Froome knows.

4. I dont think anyone will be able to keep up 100% with Quintana in the last week, but Contador has the edge in the Pyrenees and the ITT.

1. From the standpoint of view where AC comes in form / top form, he can totally follow Froome whether it's Col de beal or any steeper climb. Remember, this is not 13' or 15'. The scheme is different.

4. Knowing how strong Contador can be in the 3rd week as well, I don't think he'll be dropped by anyone. Quintana was really good in the 3rd week of the Tour 13' and 15' but that was emphasized by Froome getting weaker at the same time. He hasn't had a proper rival in the 3rd week. Contador is one.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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1. There is a big difference between Col du Beal in the Dauphine and a proper MTF in the Tour. However, it favours Contador and Quintana this year by a) coming after two mountain stages and b) being Andorra Arcalis compared to a steeper climb. When that's said, the Arcalis stage is hard and if Sky decides to go ***, the field will splinter in the bottom and god knows what happens. And who knows if they decides to push it earlier, on Aspin or Peyresourde? My money is still on Arcalis, thats what Froome knows.

4. I dont think anyone will be able to keep up 100% with Quintana in the last week, but Contador has the edge in the Pyrenees and the ITT.

1. From the standpoint of view where AC comes in form / top form, he can totally follow Froome whether it's Col de beal or any steeper climb. Remember, this is not 13' or 15'. The scheme is different.

4. Knowing how strong Contador can be in the 3rd week as well, I don't think he'll be dropped by anyone. Quintana was really good in the Tour 13' and 15' but that was emphasized by Froome getting weaker at the same time. He hasn't had a proper rival in the 3rd week. Contador is one.

1. If Contador is burning on all cylinders, then yes, he will PROBABLY be able to match Froome on the first MTF. Froome is a vicious animal and has been in a league of his own. Admittedly, Contador was close to indifferent in those two additions, he won't be this year. So, my point being, Beal is 6% at 6 km in June. Even Arcalis is a lot harder, so I don't think hugging Froome's wheel for the majority of the climb and getting outsprinted proves that much. Altho it surely was impressive. You see, I gotta tread very carefully when I dip into this thread in fear of getting assaulted for being a fanboy and completely unfair. I dont think I am.

4. Who knows. We can speculate until mid July and we still won't know. And I would say that Rodriguez was a proper rival in 2013, as was Froome, who had a bad day on Alpe. Those 3 were in a class on their own on the last MTF.

 

[Arredondo]

Contador is the only big rival of Froome who's able to be good from the first day till the last. Quintana always needs to ride himself into contention, which means he will always lose time to Froome in the first 10 days of a GT. Contador on the other hand, should be able to be on par with Froome after 10 days, and then i think his recovery is better then Dawg.

And Contador remains the better allrounder, compared to Nairo

So the chance Contador wins the Tour is higher in my opinion then the chance Quintana wins it. Or Quintana really has to go full *** in the last weak, and dare to risk his podium place. But i doubt he will do that. His mindset is more conservative comparing Contador.

 

[Arredondo]

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1. There is a big difference between Col du Beal in the Dauphine and a proper MTF in the Tour. However, it favours Contador and Quintana this year by a) coming after two mountain stages and b) being Andorra Arcalis compared to a steeper climb. When that's said, the Arcalis stage is hard and if Sky decides to go ***, the field will splinter in the bottom and god knows what happens. And who knows if they decides to push it earlier, on Aspin or Peyresourde? My money is still on Arcalis, thats what Froome knows.

4. I dont think anyone will be able to keep up 100% with Quintana in the last week, but Contador has the edge in the Pyrenees and the ITT.

1. From the standpoint of view where AC comes in form / top form, he can totally follow Froome whether it's Col de beal or any steeper climb. Remember, this is not 13' or 15'. The scheme is different.

4. Knowing how strong Contador can be in the 3rd week as well, I don't think he'll be dropped by anyone. Quintana was really good in the Tour 13' and 15' but that was emphasized by Froome getting weaker at the same time. He hasn't had a proper rival in the 3rd week. Contador is one.

1. If Contador is burning on all cylinders, then yes, he will PROBABLY be able to match Froome on the first MTF. Froome is a vicious animal and has been in a league of his own. Admittedly, Contador was close to indifferent in those two additions, he won't be this year. So, my point being, Beal is 6% at 6 km in June. Even Arcalis is a lot harder, so I don't think hugging Froome's wheel for the majority of the climb and getting outsprinted proves that much. Altho it surely was impressive. You see, I gotta tread very carefully when I dip into this thread in fear of getting assaulted for being a fanboy and completely unfair. I dont think I am.

4. Who knows. We can speculate until mid July and we still won't know. And I would say that Rodriguez was a proper rival in 2013, as was Froome, who had a bad day on Alpe. Those 3 were in a class on their own on the last MTF.

I think he means a rival who still has a chance to win the race. Purito was already 5 minutes back before the Alps. Climbing wise he was a big rival in 2012/2013, but not in that particular race at that particular moment.

 

[Irondan]

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So, in case he continue for one more season... what team will he ride for next year?

His own team, right?

 

[BlurryVII]

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1. There is a big difference between Col du Beal in the Dauphine and a proper MTF in the Tour. However, it favours Contador and Quintana this year by a) coming after two mountain stages and b) being Andorra Arcalis compared to a steeper climb. When that's said, the Arcalis stage is hard and if Sky decides to go ***, the field will splinter in the bottom and god knows what happens. And who knows if they decides to push it earlier, on Aspin or Peyresourde? My money is still on Arcalis, thats what Froome knows.

4. I dont think anyone will be able to keep up 100% with Quintana in the last week, but Contador has the edge in the Pyrenees and the ITT.

1. From the standpoint of view where AC comes in form / top form, he can totally follow Froome whether it's Col de beal or any steeper climb. Remember, this is not 13' or 15'. The scheme is different.

4. Knowing how strong Contador can be in the 3rd week as well, I don't think he'll be dropped by anyone. Quintana was really good in the Tour 13' and 15' but that was emphasized by Froome getting weaker at the same time. He hasn't had a proper rival in the 3rd week. Contador is one.

1. So, my point being, Beal is 6% at 6 km in June. Even Arcalis is a lot harder, so I don't think hugging Froome's wheel for the majority of the climb and getting outsprinted proves that much. Altho it surely was impressive.

2.Admittedly, Contador was close to indifferent in those two additions, he won't be this year.

4. Who knows. We can speculate until mid July and we still won't know. And I would say that Rodriguez was a proper rival in 2013, as was Froome, who had a bad day on Alpe. Those 3 were in a class on their own on the last MTF.

1. Yeah it doesn't mean that much, not because the climb was easy or whatever. But because Dauphiné form, is not July form.

2. What does that mean? I don't understand the phrase.

4. Well, Rodriguez, as good as he was, is not 3rd week on form AC.

 

[Valv.Piti]

The odds have been altered slightly after Contador impressive ride today as well. @Bet365

2,25 Froome
3,00 Quintana
4,50 Contador
........
Porte, Aru, Pinot, TJ (17-34)

May actually have been a lot of value in playing Contador to 6, but it seems it too late now.

 

[Valv.Piti]

It means that Contador pretty much was a non factor in 2013 and 2015, the two editions Froome annihilated the peloton on Ax-3 and PSM, so its still up in the air if he can match Froome this year on first MTF.