Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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Tonton said:
ray j willings said:
I'm to scared to post on this thread anymore :D
Come on Ray! There's more carbon in your garage than in the mountains of West-Virginia ;) . You know your stuff, no doubt. Just keep it light. The Bertie fans are rabid; he wins, and the discussion is about him vs. Eddy for all-time best. He loses and it's "oh my God, oh my God"...it's a fun thread. It's one of the best threads, with passion and drama...a soap opera :eek: .
All there's to do is to keep it light, be a little sarcastic, and recognize that Bertie's fans won't change. He has a HUGE following, his aggressive style is attractive. Stay cool or stay away. Believe me: the missionary attitude doesn't work on CN forums. So take a back seat and enjoy Bay(Bertie) Watch. Maybe Laflo will come running on the beach in her red bikini ;) .
Seriously? That's delusional. And Eddy isn't the best ;)
 
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rhubroma said:
So first Merckx, who claims Froome can't be beaten by Contador at the Tour (he's too old), and now “Monsieur Paris–Roubaix,” Roger De Vlaeminck, says so in today's la Gazzetta dello Sport. Got it Albert.
The same Merckx who said Alberto would do the double last year? And a one day racer?

This will do nothing but motivate him :)
 
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rhubroma said:
So first Merckx, who claims Froome can't be beaten by Contador at the Tour (he's too old), and now “Monsieur Paris–Roubaix,” Roger De Vlaeminck, says so in today's la Gazzetta dello Sport. Got it Albert.
It's an opinion. But if the why is age, then it's a very poor argument.
That's the thing with great riders (or footballers, or whatever): just because they were great riders that doesn't mean they will be good trainers, good directors or anything for that matter.
 
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lenric said:
rhubroma said:
So first Merckx, who claims Froome can't be beaten by Contador at the Tour (he's too old), and now “Monsieur Paris–Roubaix,” Roger De Vlaeminck, says so in today's la Gazzetta dello Sport. Got it Albert.
It's an opinion. But if the why is age, then it's a very poor argument.
That's the thing with great riders (or footballers, or whatever): just because they were great riders that doesn't mean they will be good trainers, good directors or anything for that matter.
Agreed. The thing that has always gotten to me about Team Sky is that it's like everything seems already written, so that even the so-called pundits take it as the Bible. But that's not the cycling the same "Monsieur P-R" even likes!

In today's sport it's taken much less to fuel conspiracy theories.
 
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dacooley said:
Red Rick said:
I don't know why people care so much about what Merckx and de Vlaeminck think. Not like they rode GTs for GC in modern times
whose opinion one should stick to or at least regard really seriously from your perspective?
Doesn't matter who says it, what matters is that they can back statements like these up with some reasoning.
 
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King Boonen said:
Seriously? That's delusional. And Eddy isn't the best ;)
That was a joke :p . But that's how Contador fans over-react all the time. And it's cute. Even if you disagree. It's like Contador is Italian...the drama...betrayals (Lance and the bordure), the misfortune and resurrection (Giro '15 - Mortirolo). It's cool. Gotta love it. Of course he's no Eddy. Merckx simply is the greatest athlete ever: better than Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Emil Zatopek, Joe Montana, Pele. It's a shame that worldwide, he is not as recognized as he should be. I saw Eddy Merckx once, riding, exuding something, and no one has that. But let's recognize hat Bertie is a major player...when I go up a climb and lift my arse up the saddle, I have images of Contador, dancing on the pedals. It's something. Then I end up Jan Ullrich, flat on the bike, grinding it out :eek: .
 
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Tonton said:
King Boonen said:
Seriously? That's delusional. And Eddy isn't the best ;)
That was a joke :p . But that's how Contador fans over-react all the time. And it's cute. Even if you disagree. It's like Contador is Italian...the drama...betrayals (Lance and the bordure), the misfortune and resurrection (Giro '15 - Mortirolo). It's cool. Gotta love it. Of course he's no Eddy. Merckx simply is the greatest athlete ever: better than Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Emil Zatopek, Joe Montana, Pele. It's a shame that worldwide, he is not as recognized as he should be. I saw Eddy Merckx once, riding, exuding something, and no one has that. But let's recognize hat Bertie is a major player...when I go up a climb and lift my **** up the saddle, I have images of Contador, dancing on the pedals. It's something. Then I end up Jan Ullrich, flat on the bike, grinding it out :eek: .
:) Good post. Just don't start drunk driving. :D
 
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Tonton said:
King Boonen said:
Seriously? That's delusional. And Eddy isn't the best ;)
That was a joke :p . But that's how Contador fans over-react all the time. And it's cute. Even if you disagree. It's like Contador is Italian...the drama...betrayals (Lance and the bordure), the misfortune and resurrection (Giro '15 - Mortirolo). It's cool. Gotta love it. Of course he's no Eddy. Merckx simply is the greatest athlete ever: better than Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Emil Zatopek, Joe Montana, Pele. It's a shame that worldwide, he is not as recognized as he should be. I saw Eddy Merckx once, riding, exuding something, and no one has that. But let's recognize hat Bertie is a major player...when I go up a climb and lift my **** up the saddle, I have images of Contador, dancing on the pedals. It's something. Then I end up Jan Ullrich, flat on the bike, grinding it out :eek: .
Bertie is great, no doubt, but he's too much a GT specialist for me to put him up there with the greats. Nibali on the other hand...

Oh, and Hinault > Merckx ;) (but that's for another thread).
 
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Yeah hes the greatest GT rider of all time arguably, and definitely by far the greatest rider of our generation.

Refering to Merckx and Hinault please remember it was a different time and cycling was far less competetive back then keep that in mind.
 
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ice&fire said:
Refering to Merckx, he was the best ever on the bike, but when he opens his mouth he's no better than the average poster here
Opinions are like asses: everyone has one. Problem is that often times some of them are valued way above others, just because its owner was once, for instance, a rider. So the problem isn't really in Eddy, but in all the media.
 
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lenric said:
ice&fire said:
Refering to Merckx, he was the best ever on the bike, but when he opens his mouth he's no better than the average poster here
Opinions are like asses: everyone has one. Problem is that often times some of them are valued way above others, just because its owner was once, for instance, a rider. So the problem isn't really in Eddy, but in all the media.
and yet fans that take it to heart too much.
 
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lenric said:
ice&fire said:
Refering to Merckx, he was the best ever on the bike, but when he opens his mouth he's no better than the average poster here
Opinions are like asses: everyone has one. Problem is that often times some of them are valued way above others, just because its owner was once, for instance, a rider. So the problem isn't really in Eddy, but in all the media.
Eddy said something a year or two ago that I thought really interesting. He said, "Everybody thinks I'm so great because of what I did on the bike when I was young, but, really, I'm not the young man who did all that. I look back on that young man and I don't even know who he was. I know it was supposed to be me but I don't recognize myself in him. I'm not that person anymore."

That said, I don't see how anybody can seriously maintain that the Eddy Merckx of old wasn't the greatest GT rider and bike racer ever, and by a wide margin.

Just to bring this back on topic (see what I did there? :D ), I'm sure Contador is quite happy with his life, and with his results, more or less, but I'm equally sure he'd much prefer to have been Eddy Merckx, or at least to have the results of Merckx.
 
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Maxiton said:
lenric said:
ice&fire said:
Refering to Merckx, he was the best ever on the bike, but when he opens his mouth he's no better than the average poster here
Opinions are like asses: everyone has one. Problem is that often times some of them are valued way above others, just because its owner was once, for instance, a rider. So the problem isn't really in Eddy, but in all the media.
Eddy said something a year or two ago that I thought really interesting. He said, "Everybody thinks I'm so great because of what I did on the bike when I was young, but, really, I'm not the young man who did all that. I look back on that young man and I don't even know who he was. I know it was supposed to be me but I don't recognize myself in him. I'm not that person anymore."

That said, I don't see how anybody can seriously maintain that the Eddy Merckx of old wasn't the greatest GT rider and bike racer ever, and by a wide margin.

Just to bring this back on topic (see what I did there? :D ), I'm sure Contador is quite happy with his life, and with his results, more or less, but I'm equally sure he'd much prefer to have been Eddy Merckx, or at least to have the results of Merckx.
My only point is, and pay close attention now. IF Merckx rode now instead of when he did, he wouldnt have had those results thats all im saying.
 
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blackmamba said:
My only point is, and pay close attention now. IF Merckx rode now instead of when he did, he wouldnt have had those results thats all im saying.
Probably true. We talk about stuff like that in the Clinic all the time.
 
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Maxiton said:
blackmamba said:
My only point is, and pay close attention now. IF Merckx rode now instead of when he did, he wouldnt have had those results thats all im saying.
Probably true. We talk about stuff like that in the Clinic all the time.
Cycling is 50 times bigger today than back then and with that its only logically to draw the conclusion that lvl of competition is miles ahead aswell as with the technology etc!
 
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blackmamba said:
Maxiton said:
blackmamba said:
My only point is, and pay close attention now. IF Merckx rode now instead of when he did, he wouldnt have had those results thats all im saying.
Probably true. We talk about stuff like that in the Clinic all the time.
Cycling is 50 times bigger today than back then and with that its only logically to draw the conclusion that lvl of competition is miles ahead aswell as with the technology etc!
It would be cool if the man we know as Contador had been born the same year as Merckx and they had raced head to head. But, of course, if that were the case, most of us alive today, including me, would not have ever seen Contador race. So I guess it's best we leave them each in their own time. :)
 

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