You are maaaaad.Red Rick said:You give criticise the team. I argue that the thing you criticise them for is quite common. I give an example.Valv.Piti said:Yeah, thats surely very relevant to this discussion. You guys are amazing, you, LF and the others. Amazing.Red Rick said:What did Movistar do last year? They backed the wrong horse as well. It happensValv.Piti said:So what has Tinkoff exactly done? They supported a way inferior rider for 21 days last year, this was due.LaFlorecita said:It was clear even before the start that the team had no faith in Alberto whatsoever. This is just salt in the wounds.
I hope he drops out, wins the Vuelta, burns his Tinkoff jersey in front of Oleg and rides off on a Trek bike.
absolutely.mr. tibbs said:I hope not. I'd rather he target the Vuelta.Matteo. said:For me it's over instead.He had probably already a level less than froome and quintana.
I do not see to retrieve both 47s in these poor conditions. it is evident that the fall was more serious than expected and it will take much time to recover
Now he can fight for the podium, the victory is definitely waned
yep and in fact I am convinced that he will not go home(unfortunately)CheckMyPecs said:Guys, Contador has never abandoned a stage race with anything less than a chopped finger or a broken femur. Giving up now would be out of character for him.
But I definitely disagree about him being on a Trek next year. Any other manufacturer is preferable. (Except maybe Cervelo.)LaFlorecita said:Agree with you Tibbs. A podium wouldn't mean anything to him, his team and his fans.mr. tibbs said:I hope not. I'd rather he target the Vuelta.
Because I think its totally deserved Sagan finally gets the support he deserves - what had it mattered to Contador? Had he lost 10, 15 seconds less? Nothing in the grand scheme of things, nothing.infeXio said:Valv.Piti said:You are maaaaad.
You can't really compare those two situations. Movistar definitely still supported Valverde over Quintana last year, while the situation at Tinkoff was way different.
You are pretty lol once again.
No, because your sole intention entering this thread forever remains arguing for nothing but the sake of arguing.Valv.Piti said:Because I think its totally deserved Sagan finally gets the support he deserves - what had it mattered to Contador? Had he lost 10, 15 seconds less? Nothing in the grand scheme of things, nothing.infeXio said:You're such a WUM.Valv.Piti said:You are maaaaad.
You can't really compare those two situations. Movistar definitely still supported Valverde over Quintana last year, while the situation at Tinkoff was way different.
You are pretty lol once again.
Now, they have a stage and the yellow jersey. Contador crashed 2 times, he wasn't favoured in the first place, his chances was very slim.
I will do the same in the future if that means debunking the same nonsense like today.infeXio said:No, because your sole intention entering this thread forever remains arguing for nothing but the sake of arguing.Valv.Piti said:Because I think its totally deserved Sagan finally gets the support he deserves - what had it mattered to Contador? Had he lost 10, 15 seconds less? Nothing in the grand scheme of things, nothing.infeXio said:You're such a WUM.Valv.Piti said:You are maaaaad.
You can't really compare those two situations. Movistar definitely still supported Valverde over Quintana last year, while the situation at Tinkoff was way different.
You are pretty lol once again.
Now, they have a stage and the yellow jersey. Contador crashed 2 times, he wasn't favoured in the first place, his chances was very slim.
So attempting to wind people up by writing stuff like "you are maaaaaad" and - again - arguing for the sheer sake of arguing helps you debunk things? Right, ok then.Valv.Piti said:I will do the same in the future if that means debunking the same nonsense like today.infeXio said:No, because your sole intention entering this thread forever remains arguing for nothing but the sake of arguing.Valv.Piti said:Because I think its totally deserved Sagan finally gets the support he deserves - what had it mattered to Contador? Had he lost 10, 15 seconds less? Nothing in the grand scheme of things, nothing.infeXio said:You're such a WUM.Valv.Piti said:You are maaaaad.
You can't really compare those two situations. Movistar definitely still supported Valverde over Quintana last year, while the situation at Tinkoff was way different.
You are pretty lol once again.
Now, they have a stage and the yellow jersey. Contador crashed 2 times, he wasn't favoured in the first place, his chances was very slim.
Finally...the voice of reason. It all depends on the exact nature of the injury which we can't possibly know. If it's the sort of thing that he'll ride off in a few days then if he had the form to begin with then he's still very much in it.arvc40 said:Time gap does not warrant giving in just yet. Thankfully Contador will be thinking the same.
What do you do when you have a multiple GT winner going for the win, support a circus act?Valv.Piti said:Its hard not to get a little personal when the person acts like Red Rick does towards me and uses Movistar as an comparison, pretty remarkable. Movistar still mainly supported Quintana while we all know Sagan was all on his own, often helping Contador out on stages he otherwise would've won.
A positive person, you will go far.Gigs_98 said:I think people are a bit overreacting with this "leave the tour" stuff. Of course the situation is extremely bad and I'm also sad right now but I still see it very differently than many others here.
Yeah, Contador lost 47 seconds today, thats bad and you definitely shouldn't loose so much time in a tour when the mountains haven't even started yet. But 47 seconds sound more than it is. In the last 25 tdf editions (probably even more but I didn't look any further back) there was one single race which was decided by less than 47 seconds, and even races which today are seen as very close like 2011 or 2006 were decided by more. If he doesn't win the tdf, it's very unlikely it is because of the time loss of today. The reason why we should be worried is because he dropped on such an easy climb, but we have an excuse. He crashed, it's not like his shape is generally horrible (might also be the case but we don't know) but you guys are already talking about giving up. In the giro last year he also had a crash and a small injury and there was exactly the same discussion and the same people said he should abandon because he won't win the giro anyway. Now we should at least wait for stage 5 and if he loses minutes, we can assume the tour is lost he should maybe focus on the Vuelta instead. But maybe he can recover from his injury, since we still don't know what exactly is the problem, and I find it rather unlikely it still affects him as badly as today if there are no fractures, because if I understood everything correctly it was the pain which was the problem, and not that he couldn't strain his body.
Oh I don't want that, I want him at Lampre or Bardiani, but I think it's pretty much confirmed he'll sign for Trek.mr. tibbs said:But I definitely disagree about him being on a Trek next year. Any other manufacturer is preferable. (Except maybe Cervelo.)LaFlorecita said:Agree with you Tibbs. A podium wouldn't mean anything to him, his team and his fans.mr. tibbs said:I hope not. I'd rather he target the Vuelta.
I'd still devote at least 1 to the best rider in the world, especially after Contador rode a super hard Giro. I mean, I know this is easy to say in hindsight, but once he was 5th in 2011, wasn't it obvious it wouldn't be able to win last year unless numerous persons crashed out? At least it was after Huy, on stage 3. They could definitely have done something different at that point IMO.rhubroma said:What do you do when you have a multiple GT winner going for the win, support a circus act?Valv.Piti said:Its hard not to get a little personal when the person acts like Red Rick does towards me and uses Movistar as an comparison, pretty remarkable. Movistar still mainly supported Quintana while we all know Sagan was all on his own, often helping Contador out on stages he otherwise would've won.
If his 5th in 2011 was any indication, then there was not 2014 (alas).Valv.Piti said:I'd still devote at least 1 to the best rider in the world, especially after Contador rode a super hard Giro. I mean, I know this is easy to say in hindsight, but once he was 5th in 2011, wasn't it obvious it wouldn't be able to win last year unless numerous persons crashed out? At least it was after Huy, on stage 3. They could definitely have done something different at that point IMO.rhubroma said:What do you do when you have a multiple GT winner going for the win, support a circus act?Valv.Piti said:Its hard not to get a little personal when the person acts like Red Rick does towards me and uses Movistar as an comparison, pretty remarkable. Movistar still mainly supported Quintana while we all know Sagan was all on his own, often helping Contador out on stages he otherwise would've won.
actually since 2009.Escarabajo said:Contador has been absent the last 2 years.
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