You're right, he helped Alberto well there, I only remembered Kiserlovski and Trofimov.Jakub said:Last stage, he upped the pace and Dylan Thomas cracked. Maybe more 100m then 1km? I don't remeber it that good
Oh come on, in 2015 Sagan was good, Majka was okay and the rest was really bad, although Mick tried his hardest. 2016 doesn't even deserve to be commented on, a team that abandons its leader at the first hurdle is not a team. No matter how strong the individual riders may have been, they weren't a team. In 2014, all I can say is that individual strength =/= team strength, but yes, the team was quite okay, and it's a shame Alberto crashed out.Valv.Piti said:
Yes, Majka was in great shape but we can't know if he would have been 100% motivated to help.Contador, considering his comments before the race. Mick was also strong and was always very loyal. They were missing Kreuziger. The team was strong, the riders were in very good shape, but we will never know how much support Alberto would have had in the high mountains.Valv.Piti said:2014 was quite okay
I don't care. He was their leader and they abandoned him like an old cripple dog because he wasn't up to their standard anymore. FFS - day TWO - he is recovering from a second crash and what does Kreuziger do? He pulls like a madman, dropping Alberto in the process. After the stage - De Jongh isn't even happy about Sagan's win, because Alberto lost time, that wasn't according to the plan. Not sure who was calling the shots in the car, probably Oleg, but whoever it was, he's an idiot. I mean, sure "Alberto was done" if they don't give him even one stage to recover - for christ's sakeAlberto was done after 2 crashes, it was the reality of things. As I stated earlier, it was a strong team and would obviously had backed him had he not crashed.
I should probably call it a day debating with you. You always make me so sad.
LaFlorecita said:Yes, Majka was in great shape but we can't know if he would have been 100% motivated to help.Contador, considering his comments before the race. Mick was also strong and was always very loyal. They were missing Kreuziger. The team was strong, the riders were in very good shape, but we will never know how much support Alberto would have had in the high mountains.Valv.Piti said:2014 was quite okay
I don't care. He was their leader and they abandoned him like an old cripple dog because he wasn't up to their standard anymore. FFS - day TWO - he is recovering from a second crash and what does Kreuziger do? He pulls like a madman, dropping Alberto in the process. After the stage - De Jongh isn't even happy about Sagan's win, because Alberto lost time, that wasn't according to the plan. Not sure who was calling the shots in the car, probably Oleg, but whoever it was, he's an idiot. I mean, sure "Alberto was done" if they don't give him even one stage to recover - for christ's sakeAlberto was done after 2 crashes, it was the reality of things. As I stated earlier, it was a strong team and would obviously had backed him had he not crashed.
I should probably call it a day debating with you. You always make me so sad.
Then, 3 days later, Kreuziger is told multiple times to drop back but he doesn't. When asked about it before the next stage, he whistles and rides off. Yates is angry and says they definitely won't ride for Kreuziger now. On stage 7, Alberto himself gives Kreuziger and Majka the green light to ride for themselves, but who knows if they would have helped him otherwise? It was in a way very similar to 2009, only one or two riders were loyal, the others were simply a bunch of ungrateful egocentric losers ready to backstab him when given the chance. Say what you want about Sky but this would never ever happen in their team. I wish Bjarne and Mick had been around still, they would have slapped some sense into these guys.
Happy Alberto is off to Trek - they're signing loads of young riders who will be happy to ride with Alberto and learn from him.
Sorry if I just offended you, but this is my opinion.
One thing is clear: many Tinkoff riders will have to return their invite for Alberto's end-of-career party :lol:
LaFlorecita said:Yes, Majka was in great shape but we can't know if he would have been 100% motivated to help.Contador, considering his comments before the race. Mick was also strong and was always very loyal. They were missing Kreuziger. The team was strong, the riders were in very good shape, but we will never know how much support Alberto would have had in the high mountains.Valv.Piti said:2014 was quite okay
I don't care. He was their leader and they abandoned him like an old cripple dog because he wasn't up to their standard anymore. FFS - day TWO - he is recovering from a second crash and what does Kreuziger do? He pulls like a madman, dropping Alberto in the process. After the stage - De Jongh isn't even happy about Sagan's win, because Alberto lost time, that wasn't according to the plan. Not sure who was calling the shots in the car, probably Oleg, but whoever it was, he's an idiot. I mean, sure "Alberto was done" if they don't give him even one stage to recover - for christ's sakeAlberto was done after 2 crashes, it was the reality of things. As I stated earlier, it was a strong team and would obviously had backed him had he not crashed.
I should probably call it a day debating with you. You always make me so sad.
Then, 3 days later, Kreuziger is told multiple times to drop back but he doesn't. When asked about it before the next stage, he whistles and rides off. Yates is angry and says they definitely won't ride for Kreuziger now. On stage 7, Alberto himself gives Kreuziger and Majka the green light to ride for themselves, but who knows if they would have helped him otherwise? It was in a way very similar to 2009, only one or two riders were loyal, the others were simply a bunch of ungrateful egocentric losers ready to backstab him when given the chance. Say what you want about Sky but this would never ever happen in their team. I wish Bjarne and Mick had been around still, they would have slapped some sense into these guys.
Happy Alberto is off to Trek - they're signing loads of young riders who will be happy to ride with Alberto and learn from him.
Sorry if I just offended you, but this is my opinion.
One thing is clear: many Tinkoff riders will have to return their invite for Alberto's end-of-career party :lol:
Cannibal72 said:
LaFlorecita said:
Miburo said:
LaFlorecita said:Yes, Majka was in great shape but we can't know if he would have been 100% motivated to help.Contador, considering his comments before the race. Mick was also strong and was always very loyal. They were missing Kreuziger. The team was strong, the riders were in very good shape, but we will never know how much support Alberto would have had in the high mountains.Valv.Piti said:2014 was quite okay
I don't care. He was their leader and they abandoned him like an old cripple dog because he wasn't up to their standard anymore. FFS - day TWO - he is recovering from a second crash and what does Kreuziger do? He pulls like a madman, dropping Alberto in the process. After the stage - De Jongh isn't even happy about Sagan's win, because Alberto lost time, that wasn't according to the plan. Not sure who was calling the shots in the car, probably Oleg, but whoever it was, he's an idiot. I mean, sure "Alberto was done" if they don't give him even one stage to recover - for christ's sakeAlberto was done after 2 crashes, it was the reality of things. As I stated earlier, it was a strong team and would obviously had backed him had he not crashed.
I should probably call it a day debating with you. You always make me so sad.
Then, 3 days later, Kreuziger is told multiple times to drop back but he doesn't. When asked about it before the next stage, he whistles and rides off. Yates is angry and says they definitely won't ride for Kreuziger now. On stage 7, Alberto himself gives Kreuziger and Majka the green light to ride for themselves, but who knows if they would have helped him otherwise? It was in a way very similar to 2009, only one or two riders were loyal, the others were simply a bunch of ungrateful egocentric losers ready to backstab him when given the chance. Say what you want about Sky but this would never ever happen in their team. I wish Bjarne and Mick had been around still, they would have slapped some sense into these guys.
Happy Alberto is off to Trek - they're signing loads of young riders who will be happy to ride with Alberto and learn from him.
Sorry if I just offended you, but this is my opinion.
One thing is clear: many Tinkoff riders will have to return their invite for Alberto's end-of-career party :lol:
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