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hrotha said:This is hilarious.
I apologize on behalf of us sane AC haters out there.
PremierAndrew said:Fwiw, Contador also f***ed up big time today imo. There is no way he should have finished behind Quintana today, who was focused fully on Froome and didn't care that much about Contador.
With 50km left, when the gap had well and truly been established and was going to succeed:
"Hey Nairo, none of my doms are working until you help them push on the flat." You reckon Nairo wouldn't have agreed to that and let Froome back into the race? At that point, either Movistar burn themselves out and delay the inevitable or Quintana starts working instantly. Either way Quintana becomes tired and suddenly Contador isn't just gaining time on Froome.
And also pls stop focusing on MacBAir's posts, he doesn't speak for us Froome fans
Angliru said:PremierAndrew said:Fwiw, Contador also f***ed up big time today imo. There is no way he should have finished behind Quintana today, who was focused fully on Froome and didn't care that much about Contador.
With 50km left, when the gap had well and truly been established and was going to succeed:
"Hey Nairo, none of my doms are working until you help them push on the flat." You reckon Nairo wouldn't have agreed to that and let Froome back into the race? At that point, either Movistar burn themselves out and delay the inevitable or Quintana starts working instantly. Either way Quintana becomes tired and suddenly Contador isn't just gaining time on Froome.
And also pls stop focusing on MacBAir's posts, he doesn't speak for us Froome fans
Just proof that, contrary to what some here insist, Froome has his share of looney fans too.
burning said:hrotha said:This is hilarious.
I apologize on behalf of us sane AC haters out there.
I don't know why Libertine takes this guy seriously, this guy said that Gerrans is the biggest disappointment of the season as he was supposed to be next Froome/Wiggins.
PremierAndrew said:Angliru said:PremierAndrew said:Fwiw, Contador also f***ed up big time today imo. There is no way he should have finished behind Quintana today, who was focused fully on Froome and didn't care that much about Contador.
With 50km left, when the gap had well and truly been established and was going to succeed:
"Hey Nairo, none of my doms are working until you help them push on the flat." You reckon Nairo wouldn't have agreed to that and let Froome back into the race? At that point, either Movistar burn themselves out and delay the inevitable or Quintana starts working instantly. Either way Quintana becomes tired and suddenly Contador isn't just gaining time on Froome.
And also pls stop focusing on MacBAir's posts, he doesn't speak for us Froome fans
Just proof that, contrary to what some here insist, Froome has his share of looney fans too.
My post or MacBAir? Nobody denies it. Every rider is going to have fans that come up with ridiculous stuff if they have a large enough fanbase
Thank You! I got a nice chuckle out of this. I'm sure Roman could have done this in any of his GT wins. Oh wait....What did he ever even podium a GT? :surprised:hfer07 said:Any word from Roman Kreuziger?
PremierAndrew said:Fwiw, Contador also f***ed up big time today imo. There is no way he should have finished behind Quintana today, who was focused fully on Froome and didn't care that much about Contador.
With 50km left, when the gap had well and truly been established and was going to succeed:
"Hey Nairo, none of my doms are working until you help them push on the flat." You reckon Nairo wouldn't have agreed to that and let Froome back into the race? At that point, either Movistar burn themselves out and delay the inevitable or Quintana starts working instantly. Either way Quintana becomes tired and suddenly Contador isn't just gaining time on Froome.
And also pls stop focusing on MacBAir's posts, he doesn't speak for us Froome fans
Haha I bet MR I drop out of the GC group my whole career Kreuziger will be eating humble piehfer07 said:Any word from Roman Kreuziger?
Libertine Seguros said:Quintana didn't work until the end because he had Rubén Fernández and Jonathan Castroviejo doing his share, like he damn well should have had, meanwhile Erviti and Valverde behind forced Froome's domestiques to spend themselves until he had none left. Don't be mad with Quintana because his domestiques were attentive and then did their jobs.
Even after getting in to the break of the day in the red jersey, pulling up the final climb solo on his own all the way, you're still clinging to your position that Froome (who didn't take a pull until the final climb either despite it being far more in his interest and far more necessary once López was dropped) is a real racer and Quintana is a wheelsucking coward, and allowing this to permeate the Contador thread because Contador tried the same long-distance dangerous gamble that paid off for him big time in 2012.
Orica messed up, definitely, but I don't think it was cowardice, as a couple of guys, Howson in particular, did sterling work when they did come to the front. I think they misjudged it badly; they didn't come to the front to close the gap down early, and spent too long waiting before doing so; then when Yates decided it was time that the big guns pulled, he did it near the end of Cotefabio and dropped a bunch of guys they could have done with help from in the valley floor before the last climb.
Sure, Froome is the guy trying to win the Vuelta after winning the Tour, but do you seriously want to argue that Quintana didn't try to win the Vuelta today?
The Hitch said:You know what the standards are.LaFlorecita said:Where is Hitch?
Will he still claim Contador can no longer be considered The Great One?
Because this, not winning mountain stages and GTs, no, this, this is truly Great.
Win a TDF.
Bingo bingoRed Rick said:Didn't you introduce the phrase when Contador was very busy losing his title in 2011?The Hitch said:You know what the standards are.LaFlorecita said:Where is Hitch?
Will he still claim Contador can no longer be considered The Great One?
Because this, not winning mountain stages and GTs, no, this, this is truly Great.
Win a TDF.
Angliru said:MacBAir said:Now it's about joy?Angliru said:Your post brings me great joy. Thank you so very much!
Remember when he said that it was winning or nothing, that he doesn't care about second or third? Today he was nothing more than another Movistar domestique, as usual. It's not like he can do anything more against the strongest riders when everybody is healthy, after his suspension, isn't it?
Looking at his recent performances, he couldn't even be number 4 or 5 at Movistar. Having said that, his performance reminded me of Uran Vs Vino at the Olympics, or Vino Vs Koblenev.
What a disgrace. He's now a sellout that killed the Vuelta. Congrats to him, I guess. Froome already broke him countless times, maybe that's the butthurt in him. That's the only explanation.
Libertine Seguros said:1.Quintana didn't work until the end because he had Rubén Fernández and Jonathan Castroviejo doing his share, like he damn well should have had, meanwhile Erviti and Valverde behind forced Froome's domestiques to spend themselves until he had none left. Don't be mad with Quintana because his domestiques were attentive and then did their jobs.
2.Even after getting in to the break of the day in the red jersey, pulling up the final climb solo on his own all the way, you're still clinging to your position that 3.Froome (who didn't take a pull until the final climb either despite it being far more in his interest and far more necessary once López was dropped) is a real racer and 4.Quintana is a wheelsucking coward, and allowing this to permeate the Contador thread because Contador tried the same long-distance dangerous gamble that paid off for him big time in 2012.
Orica messed up, definitely, but I don't think it was cowardice, as a couple of guys, Howson in particular, did sterling work when they did come to the front. I think they misjudged it badly; they didn't come to the front to close the gap down early, and spent too long waiting before doing so; then when Yates decided it was time that the big guns pulled, he did it near the end of Cotefabio and dropped a bunch of guys they could have done with help from in the valley floor before the last climb.
Sure, Froome is the guy trying to win the Vuelta after winning the Tour, but do you seriously want to argue that Quintana didn't try to win the Vuelta today?
1. Contador had his domestiques as well. In fact, he behaved exactly like another Movistar rider.
2. Quintana didn't get in the break. He found himself there after riders like Froome, Chaves and company got stuck behind a crash, and stayed there, never showing his face, until all of his domestiques at Tinkoff built a big gap.
3. Froome made a massive effort to bridge to the chasing group. Clearly you didn't saw the beginning of the stage. He also remained at the front, and was the first in line to answer those attacks in the chasing group, and clearly felt exhausted, probably asking how a guy that won 7 GTs sells himself like that. Also, at this point in time, who the hell thinks that Froome isn't one of the best racers in the Peloton? Did you even watch the tour?
4. Of course Quintana is a wheelsucking coward. He showed it time and time again, from his controversial Giro, to his pathetic tour where the stakes were higher and he never tried anything at all but grabbing motorcycles, to never actually participating on the making of today's move, being clearly the guy with most to win, but also the guy that worked far less, until doing the obvious thing to do. If he didn't work in the last climb, he wouldn't be an wheelsucker. He would be mentally ill.
5. Quintana did what any coward with a team of 18 riders that knew that his rivals were behind would do. He followed wheels, sucked wheels, sucked some more, then worked as little as possible, and then when it was obvious went for it, on the last 10% of today's stage, when Froome was already 3min behind.
Great.
But the main point here is that Alberto is officially a sellout. Clearly Froome broke him time and time again, from smallish stage races to the Tour. After his suspension, Alberto at his peak is barely top5 material in any race where the best riders compete in, making him NOT ONE OF THE BEST RIDERS.
These past two posts are the equivalent of a baby having her pacifier taken out of her mouth, with all the ensuing bawling, tears, tantrums and whining. Not a single thing in those posts has any rationale foundation. They are at top of the scale when it comes to the comically absurd. Try hard to take a deep breath and read Libertine's and Teflon's responses. They will be helpful in grasping what actually transpired on today's stage.
I thought Quintana took his turns on the flat as well.PremierAndrew said:Fwiw, Contador also f***ed up big time today imo. There is no way he should have finished behind Quintana today, who was focused fully on Froome and didn't care that much about Contador.
With 50km left, when the gap had well and truly been established and was going to succeed:
"Hey Nairo, none of my doms are working until you help them push on the flat." You reckon Nairo wouldn't have agreed to that and let Froome back into the race? At that point, either Movistar burn themselves out and delay the inevitable or Quintana starts working instantly. Either way Quintana becomes tired and suddenly Contador isn't just gaining time on Froome.
And also pls stop focusing on MacBAir's posts, he doesn't speak for us Froome fans
Lol great pots MacBAir must be the love child of Michelle Cound and Roman Kreuziger. On acid.hrotha said:This is hilarious.
I apologize on behalf of us sane AC haters out there.
MacBAir said:Contador quickly went from one of my favorites to number 1 enemy, as far as cycling goes.
He won exactly 0 with this stage. He burned himself out just for Froome to lose, for some reason. He is now a sellout that does moves like this (at least since his last GC win) out of despair and to try and stay relevant, not to win at all.
Froome is the guy that doesn't f*** around. Froome is the guy that attacked on descents and won stages like that. Froome is the guy that attacked on the flat with Sagan. Froome is the guy that actually tried and win the Vuelta after winning the Tour. Froome is the guy that also tried to win and actually won medals at the Olympics. Froome also competed during the year.
He did all of that this year. He deserves all of the respect of honest cycling fans. He is extremely polite on and off his bike, an warrior and doesn't f*** around.
I just don't know how so many members could cheer for all of those riders helping Quintana (that barely worked until the last climb. He was by far the rider that worked less.), some of those with nothing to win or could only win an anonymous GC placing, and criticize Astana, for example.
Orica also raced like useless cowards, waking when it was too late.
Froome is a champion, but exhausted. It seems to me that Contador selling out and being such an hypocrite just killed this Vuelta.
I hope Alberto keeps getting demolished on any important race, from now on. It's also funny to me that Froome will end with a much better Palmares than Alberto, after everything is said and done.
You aren't the quickest cookie. I didn't meant Gerrans. I meant Geraint.burning said:hrotha said:This is hilarious.
I apologize on behalf of us sane AC haters out there.
I don't know why Libertine takes this guy seriously, this guy said that Gerrans is the biggest disappointment of the season as he was supposed to be next Froome/Wiggins.
burning said:I also think that MacBAir should also complain about that descent, here is an example for him:
It was a dangerous start. I had to unclip on the first corner and I immediately lost 150 meters to my group. After that, I didn’t want to take any more unnecessary risks. I don’t think people want to see a race decided on the downhill. We don’t want to see riders crashes. A start like that shouldn’t be allowed.
Indeed, the greater ride was from Quintana, not Contador:AlexNYC said:PremierAndrew said:Fwiw, Contador also f***ed up big time today imo. There is no way he should have finished behind Quintana today, who was focused fully on Froome and didn't care that much about Contador.
With 50km left, when the gap had well and truly been established and was going to succeed:
"Hey Nairo, none of my doms are working until you help them push on the flat." You reckon Nairo wouldn't have agreed to that and let Froome back into the race? At that point, either Movistar burn themselves out and delay the inevitable or Quintana starts working instantly. Either way Quintana becomes tired and suddenly Contador isn't just gaining time on Froome.
And also pls stop focusing on MacBAir's posts, he doesn't speak for us Froome fans
I just want to point out that Quintana took plenty of pulls well before the last climb. I'm not sure why people here think he didn't... The cameras showed him doing so multiple times even with ~90 km to go in the stage.
No, Berto winning would be better.dacooley said:sky getting defeated. nothing can be better.