Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Fidolix]

No one is arguing Alberto will ever be rated higher than Merckx or Hinault. It's obvious to everyone they are much, much better.

You can´t compare cycling from then till today, it´s miles apart.

 

[ILovecycling]

First when you said winning the triple that could easily be read as the triple crown which is often considered winning 2 tours and the worlds (Which Merckx did do) as well as 3 GTs. Both Hinaut and Merckx have Tour/Giro doubles and I think Hinaut did a Tour/Vuelta double.

However, Contador has nothing in the monuments stakes. Eddie won them all and many of them multiple times. Hinaut won most of them multiple times. Both won the worlds.

I would still put Contador behind both of them if he won all 3 GTs in a year even though it would be an amazing feat.

Nobody is talking about classics,I mean with "GT Triple" he would be best stage race rider of all time.And for the noncycling fan,usual population GT(or Tour) it is what matters,so for them he woul be best rider(except for belgians).And for me ,be one of the best its this quote from Angliru

Part of greatness is the accomplishments/events that stick in your mind such that it plays back like a movie that has been permanently downloaded to your memory, leaving one with the ability to play back the details with remarkable clarity. .

 

[Cimber]

The man changes his organics and nature to become a GT rider. Does it require less 'panache and passion'. Just say you don't like Wiggins because he doesn't give any climbing show. This would be quite honest.

Thats how I feel. I got alot of respect for his work to become a GT GC rider and for Sky as a team. But I just doesnt fancy his monotone "riding style". I just prefer more agressive riders - be it in the mountains or in the cobbles. Thats why I fx prefer Contador over Wiggins and Cancellara and Boonen over Pozatto. But that doesnt mean I dont respect Pozatto and Wiggins

 

[LaFlorecita]

Credit goes to rev krebs

 

[Siriuscat]

The man changes his organics and nature to become a GT rider. Does it require less 'panache and passion'. Just say you don't like Wiggins because he doesn't give any climbing show. This would be quite honest.

Airstream, not baiting or playing daft games this time...but your post tends to suggest you've never read anything about Wiggins or Sky. Brailsford works to numbers and Wiggo's transition is all about the numbers. He lost weight increased his power to weight ratios and did what he had to but while he may have an odd personality and loads of passion about the sport, Panache is something he is far, far short of.

Hitch's post, sums it up rather poetically, you couldn't insert Wiggins name inplace of Contadors and read without laughing. Don't get me wrong, his achievements are remarkable when you look at his background on the track but lets not lose sight of the fact that he won the Tour when the Great One (to quote Hitch) was absent and Andy Schleck was missing too, either of the two of them could have killed Sky in the mountains.

Originally Posted by The Hitch
The rest of the world sees things differently than we do,

They don't understand This Thing of Ours.

they have very basic and incredibly innacurate ideas of what cycling is, how it works, what is important, who watches it, even who participates.
And e they are spectacularly uninformed when it comes to doping.

They of course only care about 1 race.

But they are the ones who control the press, the media and hence the perception of the masses.

For me Contador always was the weapon with which we fight that other world view. The ambassador of our sport. The one who can achieve things by winning multiple Tours.

Thats why I call him "The Great One". Its a special relationship

The Tour de France its itself a underwhelming race that only takes up 3 weeks of the season, but we need someone to carry the flag, get their name out there and represent our sport. And contador, polite, talented, from a big cycling country that isnt France, is good representative.

The Tour is business. Its for that other world.

The rest of the year is for us We few, we happy few, we cycling fans.

 

[The Hitch]

Credit goes to rev krebs

Now this, I like.

 

[airstream]

Airstream, not baiting or playing daft games this time...but your post tends to suggest you've never read anything about Wiggins or Sky. Brailsford works to numbers and Wiggo's transition is all about the numbers. He lost weight increased his power to weight ratios and did what he had to but while he may have an odd personality and loads of passion about the sport, Panache is something he is far, far short of.

Hitch's post, sums it up rather poetically, you couldn't insert Wiggins name inplace of Contadors and read without laughing. Don't get me wrong, his achievements are remarkable when you look at his background on the track but lets not lose sight of the fact that he won the Tour when the Great One (to quote Hitch) was absent and Andy Schleck was missing too, either of the two of them could have killed Sky in the mountains.

Contador works 'to numbers' not less. He always keeps in secret his coaches' names, training plans and any numbers. ANY. And it is obviously no accident. Other thing is his physiology and talent let him ride in a spectacular fashion. Surely a 192 cm guy can not dance uphill. It is not his actual task.

Forum members just often write so to speak an agressive ride is strength and a defensive one is weakness and using this argument they try to disparage Sky and their merits in 2012. I strongly disagree. 'Defensive' riding often can crush all flesh as well. It is an enormous strength. Sadly, I speak very bad, but believe if I could I would have presented the opposite things in not less poetic way. That's all about expectionally emotional perception. The bolded is myth. I'd really like to see one's attack when the peloton pushed 1750 w/h.

It is like an eternal dispute. I don't get what jealosy (dislike towards Sky or something else) make you turn a blind eye on the fact that Sky (Froome) is on the same level or soo close that minimal weakness will become a defeat in the Tour.

 

[Cimber]

Contador works 'to numbers' not less. He always keeps in secret his coaches' names, training plans and any numbers. ANY. And it is obviously no accident. Other thing is his physiology and talent let him ride in a spectacular fashion. Surely a 192 cm guy can not dance uphill. It is not his actual task.

Forum members just often write so to speak an agressive ride is strength and a defensive one is weakness and using this argument they try to disparage Sky and their merits in 2012. I strongly disagree. 'Defensive' riding often can crush all flesh as well. It is an enormous strength. Sadly, I speak very bad, but believe if I could I would have presented the opposite things in not less poetic way. That's all about expectionally emotional perception. The bolded is myth. I'd really like to see one's attack when the peloton pushed 1750 w/h.

It is like an eternal dispute. I don't get what jealosy (dislike towards Sky or something else) make you turn a blind eye on the fact that Sky (Froome) is on the same level or soo close that minimal weakness will become a defeat in the Tour.

Noone expects Wiggo to ride like Contador. But the thing is, I love Barcelone and I dislike Chelsea, not anything personal. I just prefer the aggressive/beautiful way Barca playes soccer compared to the way Chealsea won Chl. Same thing really. The agresssive/beautiful way always attracts more (non biased) fans.

 

[Dedelou]

For me, in my completely biased opinion Alberto is the best rider ever

that is why we love you a lot Petite Fleur. Alberto is the man for these times. I admired Hinault , I loved to follow his exploits but he could not make me shout like Contador does. As somebody else said more eloquently, Legends are those who create passion for cycling and there we know Alberto can do that alright

 

[Carols]

'Defensive' riding often can crush all flesh as well. It is an enormous strength.

Indeed it can. However, as in American baseball it is like watching a no-hiiter (snoozefest) as opposed to an exciting game

Alberto is a Legend because he embodies the best of the sport in one package: Panache, Excitement, Unpredicability, Raw Talent, Tactical Savvy, a Mind of Steel, Poetic action on the bike, Humbleness and He rides every race to Win.

Plus there is his remarkable palmares But even when the palmares were slim and he was young he made fans of cycling Sit Up and Cheer because this one looked Special!!!

 

[Siriuscat]

Contador works 'to numbers' not less. He always keeps in secret his coaches' names, training plans and any numbers. ANY. And it is obviously no accident. Other thing is his physiology and talent let him ride in a spectacular fashion. Surely a 192 cm guy can not dance uphill. It is not his actual task.

Forum members just often write so to speak an agressive ride is strength and a defensive one is weakness and using this argument they try to disparage Sky and their merits in 2012. I strongly disagree. 'Defensive' riding often can crush all flesh as well. It is an enormous strength. Sadly, I speak very bad, but believe if I could I would have presented the opposite things in not less poetic way. That's all about expectionally emotional perception. The bolded is myth. I'd really like to see one's attack when the peloton pushed 1750 w/h.

It is like an eternal dispute. I don't get what jealosy (dislike towards Sky or something else) make you turn a blind eye on the fact that Sky (Froome) is on the same level or soo close that minimal weakness will become a defeat in the Tour.

I don't think it's a myth, had they been there Sky would have had to use different tactics to negate the threat of the real climbers, remember the Tour was ALL about Wiggins it was to his strengths not Froome's I'm pretty sure Sky would rather have capitulated to Andy or Berto than have Froome win, thats maybe unfair but it was ALL about Wiggins

 

[Tom375]

I don't think it's a myth, had they been there Sky would have had to use different tactics to negate the threat of the real climbers, remember the Tour was ALL about Wiggins it was to his strengths not Froome's I'm pretty sure Sky would rather have capitulated to Andy or Berto than have Froome win, thats maybe unfair but it was ALL about Wiggins

Agreed it was all about Wiggins - Bertie and Andy weren't there, the course suited Wiggins. They geared their plan A around him. If the others had been there they would have had to come up with a back up plan. However don't see that they would rather have had Bertie or Andy win over one of their own team just because they couldn't get Wiggins - Naaa don't make sense.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Alberto will be on El Hormiguero on monday

previous appearances

2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jN-rZT1HQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-9_FMb792o
And parrulos favorite part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d1aVDGgW_I

and 2011 but unfortunately no vids

 

[The Hitch]

2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d1aVDGgW_I

What the ****.

 

[Arnout]

What the ****.

Indeed, I hate those TV programs where it is so obvious that it was agreed beforehand Contador is gonna participate but try to make it appear like it was spontaneous.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Omg I just found out Alberto's friend is following me on twitter omg what do I do

 

[El Pistolero]

Indeed, I hate those TV programs where it is so obvious that it was agreed beforehand Contador is gonna participate but try to make it appear like it was spontaneous.

Kinda like Gesink and the Giro. Only he was forced to ride the Giro and makes it sounds like it was his decision.

 

[Miburo]

Omg I just found out Alberto's friend is following me on twitter omg what do I do

This of course.

 

[rhubroma]

Contador works 'to numbers' not less. He always keeps in secret his coaches' names, training plans and any numbers. ANY. And it is obviously no accident. Other thing is his physiology and talent let him ride in a spectacular fashion. Surely a 192 cm guy can not dance uphill. It is not his actual task.

Forum members just often write so to speak an agressive ride is strength and a defensive one is weakness and using this argument they try to disparage Sky and their merits in 2012. I strongly disagree. 'Defensive' riding often can crush all flesh as well. It is an enormous strength. Sadly, I speak very bad, but believe if I could I would have presented the opposite things in not less poetic way. That's all about expectionally emotional perception. The bolded is myth. I'd really like to see one's attack when the peloton pushed 1750 w/h.

It is like an eternal dispute. I don't get what jealosy (dislike towards Sky or something else) make you turn a blind eye on the fact that Sky (Froome) is on the same level or soo close that minimal weakness will become a defeat in the Tour.

Sky got on the same program as USPostal had...done. Cheers

 

[calinmarian]

Sky got on the same program as USPostal had...done. Cheers

That's why they were called uk postal

 

[airstream]

Sky got on the same program as USPostal had...done. Cheers

And you dare criticize them for this while being Contador fan?

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEHEs3rt8uo

Gee tinkov talks a lot of crap he says Alberto has won everything there is to win and he also says he hopes Alberto wins his 3rd tdf next summer

But a lot of things he says are right, Alberto is the best and Bjarne is the best

 

[Angliru]

And you dare criticize them for this while being Contador fan?

Kinda like how you criticize Contador while being a Schleck fan.....ooops you bailed from that ship....or are you now on the fence?

 

[LaFlorecita]

 

[LaFlorecita]