Jesus, stop panicking. He didn't even try to hang on. Remember what he said, he wouldn't go into the red. This doesn't tell us anything.
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What? He really tried to follow froome. He is really bad but I know he will improve a lot until le tour. The problem is that he is clearly two steps below froome (who isn't in top shape at all)LaFlorecita said:Jesus, stop panicking. He didn't even try to hang on. Remember what he said, he wouldn't go into the red. This doesn't tell us anything.
Exactly, he normally wouldn't give up without a fight. He just looked at his power meter and thought oops, I'm close to my limit, better drop. You saw him on the radio just as he was dropping.Gloin22 said:I mean Contador is so laughably bad I actually believe him about not being in form here, hopefully. I mean he wont win Tour but I dont want to humiliate himself again
No, he didn'tportugal11 said:What? He really tried to follow froome. He is really bad but I know he will improve a lot until le tour. The problem is that he is clearly two steps below froome (who isn't in top shape at all)LaFlorecita said:Jesus, stop panicking. He didn't even try to hang on. Remember what he said, he wouldn't go into the red. This doesn't tell us anything.
LaFlorecita said:Jesus, stop panicking. He didn't even try to hang on. Remember what he said, he wouldn't go into the red. This doesn't tell us anything.
Who are you to tell him he's got to retire?jilbiker said:Can we now abandon all the theories about AC's condition. He has got to retire at the end of the season. The good days are now once in a blue moon.
Was Froome at ease at the tempo he was riding? No he wasn't. But he was trying to win the race, while Contador had nothing to gain. Why bother going too far into the red?lenric said:LaFlorecita said:Jesus, stop panicking. He didn't even try to hang on. Remember what he said, he wouldn't go into the red. This doesn't tell us anything.
In fact it does: he wasn't at ease following Froome. And both Froome and Porte, at least, are better than him. Not to mention Aru.
It's doubtful that his form will increase all that much.
I like what the commentator said, "Contador now finishing in slow motion". I don't know the training program but he looks average. He came here to train he says, train what? I cannot see anything positive to take out of this training session. Is this how he has been training all these weeks?LaFlorecita said:Who are you to tell him he's got to retire?jilbiker said:Can we now abandon all the theories about AC's condition. He has got to retire at the end of the season. The good days are now once in a blue moon.
Yes, he's here to get some miles in his legs, not to go far into the red. He chose a more relaxed approach towards the Tour.jilbiker said:I like what the commentator said, "Contador now finishing in slow motion". I don't know the training program but he looks average. He came here to train he says, train what? I cannot see anything positive to take out of this training session. Is this how he has been training all these weeks?LaFlorecita said:Who are you to tell him he's got to retire?jilbiker said:Can we now abandon all the theories about AC's condition. He has got to retire at the end of the season. The good days are now once in a blue moon.
I just don't think he has the goods relative to other current top riders.
LaFlorecita said:Was Froome at ease at the tempo he was riding? No he wasn't. But he was trying to win the race, while Contador had nothing to gain. Why bother going too far into the red?lenric said:LaFlorecita said:Jesus, stop panicking. He didn't even try to hang on. Remember what he said, he wouldn't go into the red. This doesn't tell us anything.
In fact it does: he wasn't at ease following Froome. And both Froome and Porte, at least, are better than him. Not to mention Aru.
It's doubtful that his form will increase all that much.
LaFlorecita said:Yes, he's here to get some miles in his legs, not to go far into the red. He chose a more relaxed approach towards the Tour.jilbiker said:I like what the commentator said, "Contador now finishing in slow motion". I don't know the training program but he looks average. He came here to train he says, train what? I cannot see anything positive to take out of this training session. Is this how he has been training all these weeks?LaFlorecita said:Who are you to tell him he's got to retire?jilbiker said:Can we now abandon all the theories about AC's condition. He has got to retire at the end of the season. The good days are now once in a blue moon.
I just don't think he has the goods relative to other current top riders.
And so what if he doesn't have the goods? If you don't like watching him then block him out of your consciousness, but you're in no position to tell him he should retire.
Jspear said:What should trouble him is that everyone else is just training as well. Everyone knows the Tour is the big goal, and everyone is going to be in better form there. Does his PR manager dictate what he has to say to the public? He obviously knows that things aren't going great. Perhaps he has to say the things he says?....
No, you don't get the point. They were equally uncomfortable at that pace but Froome came here to win while Contador came to train. That is why Froome kept pushing on while Contador dropped when he looked at his power meter and saw he was on the limit he and his coaches had agreed on before the race.lenric said:Precisely my point: he has a lot of room to improve, despite being competitive in this year's Dauphine. Alberto wasn't and it's pretty doubtful that he will hugely improve his form.
And since his goal is to win the Tour, he should have performed better, despite all the "just training ride" shenanigans.
portugal11 said:He is becomig a one tricky pony like quintana. He can't descend, he suffers a lot in flat sections, his time trial is pretty average nowadays, he doesn't have a good team and his climbing ability is far from being stellar
Ah, you can read his mind?Jspear said:What should trouble him is that everyone else is just training as well. Everyone knows the Tour is the big goal, and everyone is going to be in better form there. Does his PR manager dictate what he has to say to the public? He obviously knows that things aren't going great. Perhaps he has to say the things he says?....
That is the big difference between them.Jspear said:portugal11 said:He is becomig a one tricky pony like quintana. He can't descend, he suffers a lot in flat sections, his time trial is pretty average nowadays, he doesn't have a good team and his climbing ability is far from being stellar
But Quintana can still climb pretty darn well.
He dropped out of the top 10 gc.
what would you say if I started posting that Froome should retire?lenric said:Damn, so harsh. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and to voice it. If you don't like ignore it. It's as simple as that.
Ok Mr. Negativity, we get it.portugal11 said:He is becomig a one tricky pony like quintana. He can't descend, he suffers a lot in flat sections, his time trial is pretty average nowadays, he doesn't have a good team and his climbing ability is far from being stellar
LaFlorecita said:Ah, you can read his mind?Jspear said:What should trouble him is that everyone else is just training as well. Everyone knows the Tour is the big goal, and everyone is going to be in better form there. Does his PR manager dictate what he has to say to the public? He obviously knows that things aren't going great. Perhaps he has to say the things he says?....
Is his PR manager keeping his family hostage?
LaFlorecita said:No, you don't get the point. They were equally uncomfortable at that pace but Froome came here to win while Contador came to train. That is why Froome kept pushing on while Contador dropped when he looked at his power meter and saw he was on the limit he and his coaches had agreed on before the race.lenric said:Precisely my point: he has a lot of room to improve, despite being competitive in this year's Dauphine. Alberto wasn't and it's pretty doubtful that he will hugely improve his form.
And since his goal is to win the Tour, he should have performed better, despite all the "just training ride" shenanigans.