VayaVayaVaya said:Also, remember when everyone was bashing AC in 2015 for merely winning the Giro over Aru and Landa, who have proven to be pretty damn good, and getting 5th in the Tour? Quintana has put that into context a little bit.
I remerber Bertie and Basso at the Puerto de Piqueras, on the snow, bewteen La Rioja and Soria, close to me, at the Vuelta a Castilla y León. I think Basso was helping Contador, becouse AC was supossed to help Basso that year at le Tour, before the OP.bob.a.feet said:Nice pic. Such a shame they never got to race with each other at Discovery, although we some nice moments in 2015. Two of my favourite riders of all time.LaFlorecita said:https://twitter.com/IBdailyblog/status/887734152547663872
Alberto & Basso after today's stage
Your will see at the last ITT he is not lacking recoverycipurian said:What happened to Contador, why is he no longer able to win TDF? Is he lacking recovery in his old racing age?
"I like you very much, just the way you are."filipepc said:VayaVayaVaya said:Also, remember when everyone was bashing AC in 2015 for merely winning the Giro over Aru and Landa, who have proven to be pretty damn good, and getting 5th in the Tour? Quintana has put that into context a little bit.
You know i have think of that for the last days. Two years ago many point the finger to a weak Contador in The tour, after a super dificult Giro. Contador had that time 32?33?...
So he has 1+5 places.
With 27 years Quintana has a 2º, and maybe 10, 11º places...
This must mean something about Contador, and about a giro/tour attempt.
I don´t dislike Quintana, but Contador is and was by far a better rider in his carreer.
We have to accept it that is finishing is journey and enjoy is current days. I´m glad for his effort today, but this is not the old Contador anymore, so accept it as i do.~
I Wish Tomorrow he attacks again, i don´t care if then he loose more time, i just like contador as he is.
I do like to think positively - particularly when it comes to AC - but I believe that his overall level at this Tour has been much better than what 9th place in the GC suggests.lenric said:Good ride today from Contador.
I doubt he can win next year's Giro/Vuelta, but I think that, after today, he believes he still can, so I'd bet some money on him not retiring this year, if Trek makes him an offer.
Why not? Just because he's not a contender for the win anymore doesn't mean he doesn't add a good deal of entertainment for the race. Watching everyone surf behind the Sky train until 5 km before the final climb is not entertaining racing.Robert5091 said:Thanks Bertie for the racing - don't come back next year.
No need to follow wheels, Contador could finish top 10 if he wanted to while smoking a cigar for the rest of the route. Even though he's relatively poor by his standards this Tour, he's still a level above the other guys fighting for those positions. Now that a stage win looks to be a long shot, he will surely consolidate his GC position and certainly can overtake Meintjes, maybe even Yates as well. Plus, given how top riders seem to be crashing out on a daily basis, a top 5 is still not completely out of the question - which would be a par performance imo.DanielSong39 said:After all that he's 9th; that's not THAT bad. Makes me think he can still finish in the top 10 in a Grand Tour if he pulls a Meintjes and follows wheels all day.
Yes, maybe the TDF needs Alberto, but Alberto sure as hell does not need the TDF. The race has never been good to him and I doubt he'll have many good memories of it after his career. I hope he never returns and if he does, please just with the sole aim being stage wins and in 2019, not next year.Katabatic said:Why not? Just because he's not a contender for the win anymore doesn't mean he doesn't add a good deal of entertainment for the race. Watching everyone surf behind the Sky train until 5 km before the final climb is not entertaining racing.Robert5091 said:Thanks Bertie for the racing - don't come back next year.
I think so as well. Nibali isn't as strong as he used to be either and we know Sky always has issues at the Giro. Landa if he is at Movistar? At UAE I'm thinking he may be their leader for TDF. Anyway, it's all very early to talk about but with the few flashes of form we've seen at this race I think he should be able to finish at least top 3 if he doesn't decline too much.Singer01 said:Who will likely attempt the Giro next year, i'm guessing Froome and Dumoulin square off at the Tour. LRP if he has any sense, Nibbles probably, SK again, G Thomas, Landa (whether he goes to a new team or not). Even if he is declining, if he got a full run at it with a good spring and avoided injuries you'd at least expect him to finish on the podium surely
I want to know what taxus has to say about this, because a few days ago he was sure Quintana would show much more in this TDF than Berto in 2011/2015!filipepc said:VayaVayaVaya said:Also, remember when everyone was bashing AC in 2015 for merely winning the Giro over Aru and Landa, who have proven to be pretty damn good, and getting 5th in the Tour? Quintana has put that into context a little bit.
You know i have think of that for the last days. Two years ago many point the finger to a weak Contador in The tour, after a super dificult Giro. Contador had that time 32?33?...
So he has 1+5 places.
With 27 years Quintana has a 2º, and maybe 10, 11º places...
This must mean something about Contador, and about a giro/tour attempt.
I don´t dislike Quintana, but Contador is and was by far a better rider in his carreer.
Nibali will do Le Tour next year.LaFlorecita said:I think so as well. Nibali isn't as strong as he used to be either and we know Sky always has issues at the Giro. Landa if he is at Movistar? At UAE I'm thinking he may be their leader for TDF. Anyway, it's all very early to talk about but with the few flashes of form we've seen at this race I think he should be able to finish at least top 3 if he doesn't decline too much.Singer01 said:Who will likely attempt the Giro next year, i'm guessing Froome and Dumoulin square off at the Tour. LRP if he has any sense, Nibbles probably, SK again, G Thomas, Landa (whether he goes to a new team or not). Even if he is declining, if he got a full run at it with a good spring and avoided injuries you'd at least expect him to finish on the podium surely
Thats easy to say in hindsight. I never thought Quintana would be brilliant, but would surf around top-5 like Alberto did those years. Instead he collapsed which few people probably saw coming considered Quintana almost always is solid. We could also begin to talk a bout Mollema, who you most definitely wouldn't want on Trek's team because of loyalty and blah blah blah, who has proven to be his without a doubt best helper and won a stage. After riding the Giro. People can't get everything right, it takes a man to admit it.LaFlorecita said:I want to know what taxus has to say about this, because a few days ago he was sure Quintana would show much more in this TDF than Berto in 2011/2015!filipepc said:VayaVayaVaya said:Also, remember when everyone was bashing AC in 2015 for merely winning the Giro over Aru and Landa, who have proven to be pretty damn good, and getting 5th in the Tour? Quintana has put that into context a little bit.
You know i have think of that for the last days. Two years ago many point the finger to a weak Contador in The tour, after a super dificult Giro. Contador had that time 32?33?...
So he has 1+5 places.
With 27 years Quintana has a 2º, and maybe 10, 11º places...
This must mean something about Contador, and about a giro/tour attempt.
I don´t dislike Quintana, but Contador is and was by far a better rider in his carreer.
Of course, we all make predictions that are wrong and that's fine. But we should adjust our views in the face of new evidence. E.g. Contador fans are largely accepting he will have a hard time winning another GT having watched this Tour. Taxus has made a point of belittling Contador's achievements, which he's entitled to do...in particular in 2015 he kept saying that riding the Giro was no reason to perform poorly in the Tour. So, the question is, given the new evidence of Quintana's performance at the Tour following the Giro, is he adjusting his position with regards to Contador's double attempt in 2015.Valv.Piti said:Thats easy to say in hindsight. I never thought Quintana would be brilliant, but would surf around top-5 like Alberto did those years. Instead he collapsed which few people probably saw coming considered Quintana almost always is solid. We could also begin to talk a bout Mollema, who you most definitely wouldn't want on Trek's team because of loyalty and blah blah blah, who has proven to be his without a doubt best helper and won a stage. After riding the Giro. People can't get everything right, it takes a man to admit it.LaFlorecita said:I want to know what taxus has to say about this, because a few days ago he was sure Quintana would show much more in this TDF than Berto in 2011/2015!filipepc said:VayaVayaVaya said:Also, remember when everyone was bashing AC in 2015 for merely winning the Giro over Aru and Landa, who have proven to be pretty damn good, and getting 5th in the Tour? Quintana has put that into context a little bit.
You know i have think of that for the last days. Two years ago many point the finger to a weak Contador in The tour, after a super dificult Giro. Contador had that time 32?33?...
So he has 1+5 places.
With 27 years Quintana has a 2º, and maybe 10, 11º places...
This must mean something about Contador, and about a giro/tour attempt.
I don´t dislike Quintana, but Contador is and was by far a better rider in his carreer.![]()
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