Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[The Hitch]

IMO Contador was between 95-100% at the end of 2012 Vuelta. If he had been at 90% he would've lost.

Yeah but in your opinion contador was looking weak half way into the giro 2011 and nibali was going to break him on the gardeccia stage.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Logic according to which Contador couild drop others at 2009 tour but could not in 2010 and hence he was allegedly off form is an amazing delusion. I'd even say it is simply offensive because an assumption like that makes others clowns, crowd scene, amateurs whereas they are elite bike riders. It's never the same twice. Afterall, it is a competition, not the kinddom of the one.

I do not base myself on Alberto's performance but on his own words. And yes in this case I trust him.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You don't have to know him to be in love.

imo, if you don't personally know someone, you can't be in love with them

Responding to everything else is useless.

you just don't know how to reply

Emotions are ruling here, not nous.

no

90-95%. You seem to think he was at his best though

Don't be rude and falsify my arguments.
It is you and Miburo who are talking about 90% Contador in terms of his results when he was 100%.

Wait. In the first sentence you say I falsified your arguments. yet you confirm what I said in the second one. right

I don't like the way this discussion developed.

Neither do I

That's it from me.

great

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yeah but in your opinion contador was looking weak half way into the giro 2011 and nibali was going to break him on the gardeccia stage.

haha remember how bad he was on zoncolan? he couldn't even beat Anton! UberLOL

 

[LaFlorecita]

paulinho is hiding behind noval! maybe he read this forum

 

[cineteq]

Yeah but in your opinion contador was looking weak half way into the giro 2011 and nibali was going to break him on the gardeccia stage.

I don't think that's accurate, but if you can find the posting kudos to you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXhika-kY2s

just 4 more days

 

[Cimber]

Right, he caught Purito off guard, but still he needed to perform with 50km to go. Thus he was close to 100%.

U do know u can still perform and still dig hard without being 100%?

 

[airstream]

100% is an absolutely fictious thing. A rider can evaluate it wrong. What about us...

 

[Publicus]

paulinho is hiding behind noval! maybe he read this forum

not surprisingly you can still see Paulinho's gut!

 

[Cimber]

100% is an absolutely fictious thing. A rider can evaluate it wrong. What about us...

Let mé rephrase then: "hé had a really long period with no bile races and only did 1 flat short stage race before the vuelt, obviously hé was far from optimally prepared and far from top form. Shows his class that hé still wins. And shows hé isnt tactically dumb as many has suggested"

 

[trevim]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...rule-out-riding-Giro-dItalia-this-season.aspx

It's seems he's either riding the Giro or the Classics. I think he likes the Giro and wants to ride it. I hope he does, the route suits him and he can try the Giro-Tour again. It would be legendary if he can pull it of.

 

[Havetts]

Contador should stay the **** away from the Giro. Not interested in a borefest with a decided GC.

 

[Afrank]

I think he would find more success at the classics as they wouldn't jeopardize his Tour preparation, but part of me would really like to see him showing Wiggins what it's like when your going up against a real climber in a GT that actually has some mountains.

I would love to have seen Wiggins face when he saw that Contador was considering doing the Giro.

 

[Angliru]

100% is an absolutely fictious thing. A rider can evaluate it wrong. What about us...

So you arguing that those that state Contador was less than 100% are wrong is pretty pointless and without foundation since you can be no more certain that he was 100% than them saying that he wasn't.

I know you dispute the belief that his preparation was less than ideal due to his lack of racing miles but no less than Sean Kelly states in one of the cycling mags (he has a column) that he was amazed that Contador could compete at the level he did considering the circumstances.

 

[Parrulo]

So you arguing that those that state Contador was less than 100% are wrong is pretty pointless and without foundation since you can be no more certain that he was 100% than them saying that he wasn't.

I know you dispute the belief that his preparation was less than ideal due to his lack of racing miles but no less than Sean Kelly states in one of the cycling mags (he has a column) that he was amazed that Contador could compete at the level he did considering the circumstances.

pfff sean kelly, what does he know compared to the airstreams and cineteqs of this world

 

[The Hitch]

pfff sean kelly, what does he know compared to the airstreams and cineteqs of this world

Careful. Dont want to give cineteq more evidence that the moderation team is "harrasing" and "abusing" him

I don't think that's accurate, but if you can find the posting kudos to you.

Here you go

Zoncolan stage.

Nibali was brilliant, the best rider today. I wouldn't be surprise if Contador has a bad day tomorrow. He was close to being in red, and you don't see that often.

You should watch the races more closely, it will be Nibali's stage tomorrow. Mark my words!

 

[Ferminal]

Contador should stay the **** away from the Giro. Not interested in a borefest with a decided GC.

It would be more like 2008.

 

[Angliru]

pfff sean kelly, what does he know compared to the airstreams and cineteqs of this world

Airstreams' palmares must put Kelly's to shame considering his implied depth of vast knowledge.

 

[cineteq]

Careful. Dont want to give cineteq more evidence that the moderation team is "harrasing" and "abusing" him

Hitch's right this time Parrulo, be careful. I'm gonna let this one go, I'm in a good mood tonight.

Here you go

Zoncolan stage.

I was wrong for once. What can I say?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador should stay the **** away from the Giro. Not interested in a borefest with a decided GC.

No no pay attention. He won't peak for il Giro so the GC battle might even be more interesting. You are of course just scared that Gesink won't win

 

[airstream]

So you arguing that those that state Contador was less than 100% are wrong is pretty pointless and without foundation since you can be no more certain that he was 100% than them saying that he wasn't.

I know you dispute the belief that his preparation was less than ideal due to his lack of racing miles but no less than Sean Kelly states in one of the cycling mags (he has a column) that he was amazed that Contador could compete at the level he did considering the circumstances.

I'm not about the Vuelta, it is just about a general approach. Whatever happens you are eager to find justifications. If he could drop others in the Vuelta, you are not very likely to remind that suspension too much. But now you do just because of blind jealosy. Your rider couldn't confirm his global (to your mind) edge, so you find it not normal and think about excuses. Because part of you (Contador fans) percieve a real competition absolutely inadequately. To you, there are only 2 possible options:
- contador drops everyone (a norm, a real state of things, matter of course);
- contador can not drop --> something is wrong, an off-form etc.

That simple scheme is the only thing you base on to judge whether he is on on form or not. It's... i don't know. It's unhealthy. Unhealthy autotraining. you do not set a norm, and the 2009 Tour is not a norm. That was just one separate race. Only life is able to set a norm itself.

In fact, your logic is minimally different compared to Lance's one. Though part of you HATE him a lot. It's unbelievable. I don't say for all, but say Carols and Maxiton dislike Armstrong hugely.

 

[Cimber]

But now you do just because of blind jealosy. Your rider couldn't confirm his global (to your mind) edge, so you find it not normal and think about excuses. Because part of you (Contador fans) percieve a real competition absolutely inadequately. To you, there are only 2 possible options:
- contador drops everyone (a norm, a real state of things, matter of course);
- contador can not drop --> something is wrong, an off-form etc.

I understand where you are coming from and your logic. But to be frank, there is no way around the fact that regarding the 2011 Tour and the 2012 Vuelta Contador was not optimally prepared. Thats just a fact cant cant be disputed.

However, in the 2007 Tour (where he got dropped by Rasmussen) and the 2010 Tour (where he coulnt drop Andy and even got dropped by Andy once I do agree with you, that that was not due to bad preparation.

Contador is a brilliant cyclist, but he is not a super human, luckily, and its not a law of nature that he will always drop the rest when he is 100% (though emperical data suggests that this is often the case). But regarding the 2011 Tour and the 2012 Vuelta his subpar performance can very well be explained by suboptimal preparation conditions.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Hitch's right this time Parrulo, be careful. I'm gonna let this one go, I'm in a good mood tonight.


I was wrong for once. What can I say?

Perhaps you could go on Oprah ?

 

[Miburo]

Hitch's right this time Parrulo, be careful. I'm gonna let this one go, I'm in a good mood tonight.


I was wrong for once. What can I say?

2 times actually.

About the stage itself and about the fact that it was so-called not accurate.

Oh 3 times since you thought you were only wrong once