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wwabbit said:
Exactly what I was referring to. The bookies/people willing to put their money where their mouth is might, of course, be less objective and analytical than trolls and fanbois..
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SeriousSam said:Exactly what I was referring to. The bookies/people willing to put their money where their mouth is might, of course, be less objective and analytical than trolls and fanbois..
I guess the odds will be in Froome's favor at the end of Tirreno.. of course Alberto gets good odds because of his history as GT winner but he isn't the same rider anymore. I have no idea how odds work but as it stands now Alberto wouldn't even finish podium.
LaFlorecita said:
If you looked at the odds at the start of the season as to now, Alberto odds have got longer twice (after Oman and yesterday) and Froome's shorter both times, he may well be favourite come next week, but if it carries on like this most certainly come July.
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airstream said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ecJRZeyCg2o#t=947s
Porte was with Froome, but Froome must have felt pretty strong then if the commentator was right and Froome did tell Porte to sit up.
LaFlorecita said:
I haven't visited this group for a while, but I'm surprised to see so many doubting Contador's abilities. It is March! It seems to me that as he has said all along, these early season races are designed to lead him to his main objective in July. The fact that he doesn't race them at the back of the pack, but mixes it up with the leaders is to me, a sign of his fighting nature. He won La Vuelta at well under 100% with very little racing legs. I would hold off on the jury until June and July. That is what he is doing.
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Tangled Tango said:
The question is, what do you mean by "doubting Contador's abilities"? I'm fairly sure nobody doubts Contador's ability to compete for a GT win. What does seem to be reasonably doubtful now is Contador's ability to dominate a GT and be guaranteed a win in whatever GT he chooses to participate in. His rivals have improved and are now willing and able to take him on when he goes on one of his famous attacks.
This should theoretically make the races more interesting to watch, however certain people seem to feel that cycling is dead because one rider is unable to dominate all the races he participates in.
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wwabbit said:
Wrong, it's Alberto who's underperforming
No, we think it will be more interesting and exciting when Alberto can actually challenge Froome. That's the point. You as a Froome fan won't see that of course.
If Alberto is unable to improve a lot the Tour winner is known already, exactly what you are hating on in the first part of your post.
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Listening to ES made me sad. Realized that Alberto may very well not win anything at all this year. I hate sky.
LaFlorecita said:
My opinion is that what Alberto did, indirectly mind you, at last year's Vuelta was just that: an a**whooping of epic proportions.
Look, I like Froome, he represents what I like about cycling (does all the talking at the races and has a humble attitude) but to say that he's got Alberto's number is a little premature.
airstream said:Well, seems like some instuments for counteraction vs Froome are being groped — make him to pace on short steep sections.
counteracting Froome means also counteracting his team and i was pleased to see today in tirreno-adriatico that for the first time Contador had a team mate with him disturbing the sky train. Kreuziger did a good job hanging in there until a few kms to go
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_nm___ said:
Thought the same myself. Hopefully Roche will also be able to aid when he is racing with AC.
Also Froome did not look as good today which is promising
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Contador will probably lose this one and disappoint the expectations I had to see him in the same sparkling form he had in Catalunya 2011.
Anyway, Kreuziguer looked good enough to help when Contador needs him. Rogers and Roche (Nice I know) are the biggest disappointments. If there are no injuries or illness, I think it's really annoying what Rogers is up to this year, specially when this team needs him to get WT points somewhere. Just remember he was contending in TdU last year and lasted until the Tour performing in Romandie, Criterium International, Dauphine and Bayern.
Still the best (or worst I haven't decided yet) thing from this race is: it's not just Sky being awesome, Contador is underperforming considering his usual early season form: he usually doesn't have trouble dealing with Horner, Nibali, Evans (in Oman), Santambrogio and Kwiatkowski (nice rides by the way).
I just hope Contador can find his 2011 form again; he certainly seems optimistic and not shaken by these early defeats.
Anyway, Kreuziguer looked good enough to help when Contador needs him. Rogers and Roche (Nice I know) are the biggest disappointments. If there are no injuries or illness, I think it's really annoying what Rogers is up to this year, specially when this team needs him to get WT points somewhere. Just remember he was contending in TdU last year and lasted until the Tour performing in Romandie, Criterium International, Dauphine and Bayern.
Still the best (or worst I haven't decided yet) thing from this race is: it's not just Sky being awesome, Contador is underperforming considering his usual early season form: he usually doesn't have trouble dealing with Horner, Nibali, Evans (in Oman), Santambrogio and Kwiatkowski (nice rides by the way).
I just hope Contador can find his 2011 form again; he certainly seems optimistic and not shaken by these early defeats.
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trevim said:
Disappointing indeed, this is one of the races that would really add something to his palmares and I would love to see him with the trophy
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LaFlorecita said:
You pretty much just contradicted yourself. You claim that Contador is underperforming, yet you have posted links to his interview where he said he will be better at the Tour. You claim that Contador cannot challenge Froome from the tour yet you go on talking about how much stronger Contador would be when he gets his own domestiques in order to beat down on the Sky Train.
Froome is certainly no guarantee to win the Tour. Even Contador said that Froome is human and beatable, and Froome has already been beaten twice out of 3 MTFs so far this year. Certainly the Tour will be a lot closer than when Contador was dominating all the stage races that he used to participate in.
Vuelta 2012 was when I really got into watching cycling - that should give you an idea of what I like to see in a GT. I went back to watch the older but more recent GTs but nothing really compared to that.
To me it looks and sounds like Alberto just wants to concentrate on the TdF this year. He's a tad overweight and his form is a bit off... Me thinks he wants to pull a Lance this year.
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