Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Jelantik]

I didn't see the tour de suisse live today. (can't figure out what time it actually started with different time zone). But looks like Kreuziger in a top shape. His cheek shows he is thin. Good news for Saxo. All he needs is to beat Porte to create complicated situation for sky. July can't come that faster huh?

 

[Siriuscat]

Sky say one thing and think other one. That's very good for such big games. Yes, Sky season is ok so far. They think they reduce Contador factor with good reason.


If you have at least 1 drop of conscience in your head, you will never come to the forum in case Contador will lose the Tour. Given how many times you offended me personally.

Never.... if you expect us to take the trolling BS you roll out and not bite back then you are sadly mistaken. At every opportunity you slam one of the best riders of them all yet expect us to keep quiet. If you really want me to offend you then just say the word!!

 

[Jelantik]

They are not able to elevate these numbers more or less precisely, not to mention about us.


I wouldt be so categorical. The fact of stage win is irrelevant, true I agree. However, Contador didn't mind dropping Froome once for confidence. There's no doubt. Or you really think it didn't desturb him after he was harsly flipped by Froome on the Green Mountain and Tivo?

In my view Contador realized he would lose Froome significatly in TT and made a bet on mountain stages. Dropping Froome was one of the goals. Otherwise what goals did Contador have while riding the Dauphine then? Just to ride with Froome in one group and gain 1000 racing kms? It's not quite logical.

hmm.. you did have a good point there.

 

[airstream]

Never.... if you expect us to take the trolling BS you roll out and not bite back then you are sadly mistaken. At every opportunity you slam one of the best riders of them all yet expect us to keep quiet. If you really want me to offend you then just say the word!!

Omg, a great moralist Sirius Cat, who bashes Armstrong, Schleck and Froome at the same time, is going to teach me what I should and shouldn't do. No thanks. I don't need it.

 

[movingtarget]

I didn't see the tour de suisse live today. (can't figure out what time it actually started with different time zone). But looks like Kreuziger in a top shape. His cheek shows he is thin. Good news for Saxo. All he needs is to beat Porte to create complicated situation for sky. July can't come that faster huh?

Kreuziger often looks good in these races but not so good in grand tours. But I was glad he had a good win at Amstel and he is looking better this year. Contador will need Rogers as well and apart from one bad day at the Dauphine he looked pretty good. It's simple for Contador, his team is not as good as Froome's and even if his team ride a good tactical race and offer good support, at some stage he has to dominate Froome unless Froome does what Rogers did at the Dauphine which seems unlikely. The variables often end up playing a more significant role : crashes, illness, mechanicals even though I prefer to see races won without luck, over three weeks it is always a factor, good or bad. Armstrong did not have a fall in seven Tours and in his last one he had three or four. Wiggins last year pretty much had a flawless race. Plenty of TT and no problems on the road except when Froome started climbing too fast !

 

[Siriuscat]

Omg, a great moralist Sirius Cat, who bashes Armstrong, Schleck and Froome at the same time, is going to teach me what I should and shouldn't do. No thanks. I don't need it.

Moralist...me??? i think not! what am I going to teach you?? you're beyond help based on some of the stuff you come up with ( that may be a little offensive but the only conclusion evidence points to!!) You lambast Contador at every opportunity no matter what he does and you expect everyone to bow down to your allegedly superior knowledge...NOT!!!

I don't "bash" unless it's deserved; Armstrong well tell me he doesn't deserve our wrath, Andy Schleck will get pelters until such times as he uses that god given talent to show us what he's really made of, Froome another sudden talent, time will tell with Froome!

I'll say what I've always said to you, come up with sensible cognitive discussion people will engage, keep trolling the BS nothing will change

 

[airstream]

I'll say what I've always said to you, come up with sensible cognitive discussion people will engage, keep trolling the BS nothing will change

My discussion is more than sensible and cognitive. I think we'll be able to communicate on the forum without mutual touches.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Moralist...me??? i think not! what am I going to teach you?? you're beyond help based on some of the stuff you come up with ( that may be a little offensive but the only conclusion evidence points to!!) You lambast Contador at every opportunity no matter what he does and you expect everyone to bow down to your allegedly superior knowledge...NOT!!!

I don't "bash" unless it's deserved; Armstrong well tell me he doesn't deserve our wrath, Andy Schleck will get pelters until such times as he uses that god given talent to show us what he's really made of, Froome another sudden talent, time will tell with Froome!

I'll say what I've always said to you, come up with sensible cognitive discussion people will engage, keep trolling the BS nothing will change

Yes! Well said Siriuscat! Great post.

 

[airstream]

Never.... if you expect us to take the trolling BS you roll out and not bite back then you are sadly mistaken. At every opportunity you slam one of the best riders of them all yet expect us to keep quiet. If you really want me to offend you then just say the word!!

If I had handled all bashing directed at Schleck, Wiggins and Froome so seriously as you do that with Contador, I would have got cranky a long ago, because there's enourmous mass of it. However, I'm peppy, opened for communication and I don't criticize anyone. Nonetheless, here comes SiriusCat and says 'I bashed fairly, you don't!'. It is an unhealthy reaction. It's not about all AC fans surely. For instance, I really enjoy Jelantik's posts because the guy reasons very sensibly.

We are all different on the forum. You are not like me. Thanks God, I'm not like you. I just offer not to appel one to another to avoid conflict situations. That's it.

 

[xrayvision]

No problem. You gotta communicate only with posters like Florecita then. More belief in the past - more optimism. But anyway I offer not to get personal and not to offend each other.

Jesus you never stop do you?
It´s freaking amazing that you with 3600 posts actually tries to deny it.

I haven't offend you, not even been personal, so even more blabling from your part. The rest of your post is simply to stupid to reply to.

 

[Cyivel]

Not sure it's the best idea to repost things from the clinic in the PRR section.

 

[Eshnar]

Not sure it's the best idea to repost things from the clinic in the PRR section.

indeed. edited.

 

[Froome19]

Alright. They realized Rogers is impossible to save almost at once as soon as Contador tried to tow him. So he could easily go back to the peloton (just 10-15 sec) and try to win the stage, no? He needed the stage win like no one else, no?

Sorry but gotta to disagree.
Saxo need UCI WT points like nothing else, they base their team around Contador which means that they always be liable to a lack of points. So it was immensely important that Rogers gets every possibly place on GC he can manage to give them those points.

Having said that they surely will be safe for next year if Majka, Kreuziger and Rogers continue to go well, but they would want to be able to support Contador at the Tour knowing they have their WT place secure first and foremost, they could have lost it this year due to their support of Contador in the Vuelta, if it wasn't for that farce with Katusha Pat made up because he was jealous of their president or something.

 

[xrayvision]

They are not able to elevate these numbers more or less precisely, not to mention about us.


I wouldt be so categorical. The fact of stage win is irrelevant, true I agree. However, Contador didn't mind dropping Froome once for confidence. There's no doubt. Or you really think it didn't desturb him after he was harsly flipped by Froome on the Green Mountain and Tivo?

In my view Contador realized he would lose Froome significatly in TT and made a bet on mountain stages. Dropping Froome was one of the goals. Otherwise what goals did Contador have while riding the Dauphine then? Just to ride with Froome in one group and gain 1000 racing kms? It's not quite logical.

Dropping Froome when?
He said from stage 1, froome is stronger than me atm, but my focus is not dauphine, but the tour, and the general classification is secondary. He had a bad day in the TT, he have been complaining about allergy for the last 5 years, but no no, air don´t believe, he´s not even out of form, Froome who came from zero to hero over a season is just a better rider, like the rest of the skyborgs ofc.
Nothing here clears your mind? No bells ringing? Nothing? No surprise really!

And you think he expected to be able to drop Froome?
Stop trolling, you act like we are all idiots and actually consider all your BS, its amazing that the only one to whom it haven´t been obvious to yet is your self. Your so biased and judgmental that it´s actually a farce listen to you, and putting words in peoples mouths makes it complete.

 

[xrayvision]

Not sure it's the best idea to repost things from the clinic in the PRR section.

Jesus chirst, its a quote, not a ****ing clinic debate, give it a rest, just making my point valid, how the **** is it possible to refer to something just because its in the clinic. Its not a clinic debate, its just a reference.

 

[Cyivel]

Jesus chirst, its a quote, not a ****ing clinic debate, give it a rest, just making my point valid, how the **** is it possible to refer to something just because its in the clinic. Its not a clinic debate, its just a reference.

Firstly you seem to have anger issues, secondly it clearly violated the rules of this forum and also clearly leads to the potential of further discussion of such issues in this section.

Thirdly I was actually trying to be helpful, rather than just reporting it to a mod.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Rogers doing a Tommy Voeckler

 

[airstream]

OK. Let's discuss

Jesus you never stop do you?
It´s freaking amazing that you with 3600 posts actually tries to deny it.

I haven't offend you, not even been personal, so even more blabling from your part. The rest of your post is simply to stupid to reply to.

Stop what? Discuss Contador's chances and the Tour? Most of debates relate to the matter atm so naturally I'm an active part of it. Stop believing in Contador to limited extent? It's impossible too.

Sorry but gotta to disagree.
Saxo need UCI WT points like nothing else, they base their team around Contador which means that they always be liable to a lack of points

... Are Saxobank under the threat of not being among 16 teams whose licences will be prolonged? Gosh, they didn't fight for 40 point. That was either 4th,5 the spots or 6th.

 

[Netserk]

I disapprove the new glasses.

 

[LaFlorecita]

... Are Saxobank under the threat of not being among 16 teams whose licences will be prolonged?

Yes they are

 

[LaFlorecita]

I disapprove the new glasses.

? In don't mind them

 

[airstream]

Yes they are

Lol, yeah with AGR, Majka's Giro and Rogers' California.

 

[airstream]

He had a bad day in the TT, he have been complaining about allergy for the last 5 years, but no no, air don´t believe, he´s not even out of form.

I don't know in which form is he's in but imo he's weaker physically now. Regardless, form and experience won't save him.

Froome who came from zero to hero over a season is just a better rider, like the rest of the skyborgs ofc.
Nothing here clears your mind? No bells ringing? Nothing? No surprise really!

No. What arguments should I take? That from-zero-to-hero riders are enable to beat Contador? LOL. Sorry, I follow for not 1 year and not 5 too so please to talk to me as if I'm an idiot. Thanks.

And you think he expected to be able to drop Froome?

Undoubtedly he hoped for it, otherwise he couldn't have attacked at Valmorel.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol, yeah with AGR, Majka's Giro and Rogers' California.

Yes

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318 points minus Alberto's 132 points. Puts them in 15th place above Euskaltel. First 16 are safe, and teams Pro Continental teams aren't in this ranking. So yeah, they're not safe at all.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't know in which form is he's in but imo he's weaker physically now regardless form and experience won't save him.


No. What arguments should I take? That from-zero-to-hero riders are enable to beat Contador? LOL. Sorry, I follow for not 1 year and not 5 too so please to talk to me as if I'm an idiot. Thanks.

Undoubtedly he hoped for it, otherwise he couldn't have attacked at Valmorel

he attacked to test his legs